Most Underrated (or Overrated) Team?

[pxpx35]

What does hockey have to do with anything, much less rugby?

You ought to win the Olympics, idiot, you invented the sport! I can't quite see how you can seriously have so much pride in hockey, though, when all of the Canadian franchises keep going bankrupt and moving to the States. For being so damned good, you'd think you could keep a quarter of the teams in Canada, eh?

You also didn't respond to any of my points.

I never cited the US's FIFA world ranking. It has nothing to do with this discussion, nor does the strength of this region.

Look dude, Canada sucking major ass at soccer didn't get us into the Quarterfinals of the World Cup did it?

And if Michael Ballack and Oliver Kahn are Germany's reserve players, I'd hate to face the starters.

Also, how much a nation cares about its sport doesn't dicate the quality of its athletes, either. They love soccer in Martinique, but still suck at it.

As for EA's ratings, look for my name in the FIFA 2004 credits, eh?

 

[Sky Reloaded]

Originally posted by Amdy Faye
Senegal are a good team, I suppose fifa aknowledged the fact that the Americans attitude is usually 'we love baseball, american football, OH and we have a soccer team thats the best' that's usually their mentality, they're not bothered, and they just take it for granted that they have an OKAY team. I also don't see how you can see Brazil as over-rated? How so? Also, the Fifa World Rankings are a joke, if you're ranked 3rd, it doesnt mean u'll beat the 10th team lol, just a silly little thing fifa do, I take it that's what you meant when you said they're 10th or something....

:funny: :funpost: :funny:

 

[theworldgame]

what was wrong with what i said UxSxAxFooty?

so what if you have 3 good keepers? that's only ony player of 11?

and if you seriously think that you could rival Senegal you're just kidding yourself? And don't get confused and think that the MLS players have anything on Europe or South American teams...

The USA ranking is misrepresentive of their standing also, as there are numerous teams even with rankings outside 50 that can compete with the USA - just look at Australia

Australia are not as good as Senegal I admit - but they got the edge over the USA - and Landon Donovan, Reyna and no other USA player can be considered world class

the only world class players the USA have are howard (who is greatly overrated) and friedel who i actually believe to be better than howard

just get over it mate - the only reason EA place such an emphasis on the USA is because they make up so many of the customers - not becaust they are a team worthy of any attention!!!!!!!!!!

 

[CKA_Imparfait]

Well, last time I checked this thread wasn't entitled
"All about UxSxAxfooty"

Lol, lighten up. I responded to you in one paragraph. It should have been clear that I wasn't talking about you after it. Next time I'll make a clarification of it just for you.

Indeed, get over yourself. If you read back a page, another American poster made a comment as to the US "winning" at every other sport. Seriously, please READ before you speak.

Thanks. I am not trying to be hostile, and I apologize if it seems that way, but I must point out how rude it makes you look to keep accentuating every sentence with "eh".

Anyhow

 

[pxpx35]

Originally posted by theworldgame
what was wrong with what i said UxSxAxFooty?

so what if you have 3 good keepers? that's only ony player of 11?

and if you seriously think that you could rival Senegal you're just kidding yourself? And don't get confused and think that the MLS players have anything on Europe or South American teams...

The USA ranking is misrepresentive of their standing also, as there are numerous teams even with rankings outside 50 that can compete with the USA - just look at Australia

Australia are not as good as Senegal I admit - but they got the edge over the USA - and Landon Donovan, Reyna and no other USA player can be considered world class

the only world class players the USA have are howard (who is greatly overrated) and friedel who i actually believe to be better than howard

just get over it mate - the only reason EA place such an emphasis on the USA is because they make up so many of the customers - not becaust they are a team worthy of any attention!!!!!!!!!!

Who keeps throwing FIFA Rankings in here? I certianly don't, so I don't know why you are. It's not in your best interest, considering we're ranked higher.

If Australia is so freakin' awesome, don't you think FIFA would give Oceania ONE automatic place in the World Cup, perhaps?

If beating England makes you great, the US would have been sweet back in 1950. Australia might want to worry about structuring a domestic league, at the moment.

Though you failed to cite Ajax's John O'Brien for the US contingent, I must be entirely ignorant of the Aussies displaying their world-class skills.

Knock the US qualifying schedule all you want, but qualifying - if you can call it that - against the Solomon Islands and Tonga is pathetic. Why you regard Australia so highly is beyond me.

Finally, what emphasis on the US by EA are you talking about? I don't even have the game yet. As far as I'm concerned, that has nothing to do with this argument.

I mean, did FIFA give the US the #12 ranking because they're catering to us, as well? Did Ferguson buy Howard to make us US fans happy? Did Portugal drop 'em and bend over to make America look good?

If amything, the FIFA 2004 US players are underrated.

And Diouf still can shine Donovan's boots.

 

[pxpx35]

Originally posted by CKA_Imparfait
Well, last time I checked this thread wasn't entitled
"All about UxSxAxfooty"

Lol, lighten up. I responded to you in one paragraph. It should have been clear that I wasn't talking about you after it. Next time I'll make a clarification of it just for you.

Indeed, get over yourself. If you read back a page, another American poster made a comment as to the US "winning" at every other sport. Seriously, please READ before you speak.

Thanks. I am not trying to be hostile, and I apologize if it seems that way, but I must point out how rude it makes you look to keep accentuating every sentence with "eh".

Anyhow

Bud, you qouted my post. Who am I supposed to assume you're replying to?

Perhaps I ought to simply infer which outrageous and absurd accusations you make are meant towards me...

If it concerns America, it concerns me, as an American.

In any case, no hard feelings. But do you want to cry about it or defend a point you made?

 

[ngyc]

Originally posted by NerazZurRo
I wasn't saying that Real Madrid actually deserve the 5 stars because I don't think they're the best team in the world. AC Milan and Juve for example are more complete sides.
But of course what do EA know about football... "OMG Real Madrid have Ronaldo, Beckham and Zidane... let's give them 5 stars"

agree you, EA don't know football. more star player mean high rated

 

[pxpx35]

Originally posted by theworldgame

i just want to see the us play matches against germany, holland, brazil and australia now just to see how much america get slaughtered

USA 0 v Germany 1 - 2002 World Cup Quarterfinals
USA 2 v Germany 4 - Prior to 2002 World Cup

USA 0 v Holland 2 - Prior to 2002 World Cup

USA 0 v Brazil 1 - 2003 Confeds Cup
USA 1 v Brazil 2 - 2003 Gold Cup

Where are these alleged slaughterings? Nobody's contending we're consistenting better than Germany, Holland or Brazil - but, they certainly aren't slaughering us. As mentioned before, we did dominate Holland and Germany, and had the lead on Brazil, losing in extra time.

These teams are supposed to beat us. What's the embarrassment for US Soccer? Playing them to 2 goal differentials?

 

[Sky Reloaded]

US don't suck, but they are not a world class team. I also think they play too rough, and rely solely on their fast attackers like Beasley. Also, those matches were US at full strength. I'd like to see what would happen if US key players were sidelined, and had to rely on their reserves.

 

[pxpx35]

Originally posted by Sky Reloaded
US don't suck, but they are not a world class team. I also think they play too rough, and rely solely on their fast attackers like Beasley. Also, those matches were US at full strength. I'd like to see what would happen if US key players were sidelined, and had to rely on their reserves.

Like when they handled Wales earlier this year 2-0 to end that nation's 10-game unbeaten streak?

In addition, in the 2002 run-up to the World Cup, the US lost a striking 1-0 to Italy. A slaughter, really.

 

[pxpx35]

Since I have nothing better to do, I'll compile a list of the US's record against "top" European and South American teams since 1998. Stop me when you find a slaughter.

1998
Brazil W 1-0
Mexico L 0-1
Holland L 0-2
Germany L 0-2

1999
Germany W 3-0
Mexico L 1-2
Argentina W 1-0
Brazil L 0-1
Mexico L 0-1

2000
Colombia L 2-2
Ireland T 1-1
Mexico W 3-0
Mexico W 2-0

2001
Colombia L 0-1
Mexico W 2-0
Brazil L 0-1
Mexico L 0-1

2002
Italy L 0-1
Germany L 2-4
Mexico W 1-0
Ireland L 1-2
Uruguay W 2-1
Holland L 0-2
Portugal W 3-2
Mexico W 2-0

2003
Argentina L 0-1
Mexico T 0-0
Turkey L 1-2
Brazil L 0-1
Brazil L 1-2
Mexico W 2-0
Germany L 0-1

Well, that's the cream of the crop in terms of US competitors since 1998 - 5 years ago. And where are these slaughters?

1 win and 4 one goal losses to Brazil, 2 losses to Holland by two goals, a win and 3 close losses to Germany, split even with Argentina, and 5 wins, 4 losses and a draw with Mexico.

There isn't a loss on there by more than two goals! Including 5 games against Brazil, 4 with Germany, 2 with Holland.

We can handle the best. The next step is beating them.

 

[#1 Stunna]

Originally posted by swezwakov
Even Mexico (not that they're bad, at all, but the US DID beat them in the World Cup).

by that logic Korea should be ranked higher than Italy and Spain then.

Originally posted by CKA_Imparfait
Neither is the US. Simple as that. Mexico, Canada, Panama etc... not exactly competitive sides lol.

hold on...you're comparing Mexico to the likes of Canada and Panama? Do you even watch soccer?

 

[theworldgame]

don't get so defensive - i'm just simply saying that the USA cannot be placed in the same category as germany, holland or other top side

they just lack the skill and they are lucky to have the 3 star rating - and to start going on about rankings then complain when someone else mentions ratings is just childish

just wait until the next game between Australia and USA and see who comes out on top......

No more talk about Freddy Adu either - as he is not a prodigy

Christian Vieri is more Australian than Freddy Adu is American

(in case you do not know - Vieri grew up in Aus until he was 16)

just get over american sport - and hopefully your olympic bid fails because of your hiding of drugged up athletes and just give back the gold medals you don't deserve

and about oceania's ONE place going back to a half spot - the only reason your confederation gets in is because of money and not power

also - howcome your confederation lobby not to play against oceania or south america? because you only have the strength to take on asia, and fear the stronger nations

 

[pxpx35]

Originally posted by theworldgame
don't get so defensive - i'm just simply saying that the USA cannot be placed in the same category as germany, holland or other top side

they just lack the skill and they are lucky to have the 3 star rating - and to start going on about rankings then complain when someone else mentions ratings is just childish

just wait until the next game between Australia and USA and see who comes out on top......

No more talk about Freddy Adu either - as he is not a prodigy

Christian Vieri is more Australian than Freddy Adu is American

(in case you do not know - Vieri grew up in Aus until he was 16)

just get over american sport - and hopefully your olympic bid fails because of your hiding of drugged up athletes and just give back the gold medals you don't deserve

and about oceania's ONE place going back to a half spot - the only reason your confederation gets in is because of money and not power

also - howcome your confederation lobby not to play against oceania or south america? because you only have the strength to take on asia, and fear the stronger nations

I'll wait fine until Australia comes around.

And I've done no talking of Freddy Adu. That's just the world sports media, whom I can't really control. You might want to notify them that the 14-year old who starred in the U-17 World Championships isn't a prodigy. I'll get Nike and MLS on the phone so you can tell them, seeing as how you've watched him play and all. You might want to call up Inter, Man Utd, Chelsea and PSV to make sure they're not confused, either.

Seems to me, legally, Freddy Adu is as American as I am.

Kinda sad you have to talk about the Italian who obviously refused to play in the 'awesome' nation he was raised in.

Your diatribe about the Olympics made no sense.

And no, CONCACAF gets half your spot because you suck, not because of money. Same reason we wouldn't waste time playing Oceania team - they suck royally. Worse than some of the Carribean nations of here.

We do play South American squads quite often, and Asian nations rarely.

 

[Paul]

this has gone completely off topic...

concern it with Fifa 2004 ppl.

 

[Sky Reloaded]

I think US team's strong points are their morale. They have an intense will to win, and I respect their victories, even though I think their defense is a bit rough. The same way I respect Korea's morale that sent them to fourth place in the World Cup 2002, beating Spain and Italy, respectively, losing only to an explosive Turkish squad. (which I'm proud to say, led by ILHAN MANSIZ!!!)

So in the game, US players should have a higher morale rating and higher aggressiveness.

 

[CKA_Imparfait]

In any case, no hard feelings. But do you want to cry about it or defend a point you made?


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Are you 10 years old?

As for absurd accusations... Unless stating that Canada beat the US in Olympic Hockey for the gold is absurd, I don't recall "accusing" you of anything else.

I have a question. An honest question, not a veiled question, a simple question.

How many games a week do the players in the MLS play? I don't follow the MLS too closely, so I am not up to date on what types of tournements and such they participate in.

Thanks.

 

[pennington10]

Well first off all that win against Wales was a joke. That Wales squad was not playing Bellamy. Hartson, Savage ect... Wales best player in the match was Paul Jones the keeper. Also talent wise the American squad may not be one of the best in the world they play together as a team and that is what makes them better than some other teams in the world. They have something to prove. France, Italy, Spain, Germany, Brazil should on paper win easily against the U.S. but they don't. No one has really given in credit to the heart that the US side has.

 

[KoreaJjang]

Underrated: Korea is way down...they should at least be 3.0 not 2.5....

Overrated: Boca

Anyway USA doesn't deserve to be ranked as top 20 in fifa ranking....they are pretty good but really doesn't deserve it at all so i think EA ranked them fair with 3.0...I think its fair too...

 

[karmey]

I don't really get EA's system. Viking (my norwegian favourite team) has 1 star, and the typical value for their players is 60. But some teams in the Italian 2. division have the same values, but with 2 stars!!!! Hey, Viking beated Chelsea 4-2 in 2001! We can't be that bad (even if we're Norwegian)!