Manchester United F.C Thread [2010/2011]

[AsmodaiPlay]

Well, as previously noted, Fergie is under orders to fully back the Glazers, so he's been in a very difficult position for a while now. I'm sure he would like to tell the World how these incompetent Yanks have ruined his club but unless he's thinking of quitting United himself, he has no choice but to toe the line. So the blame for United's steady decline can only be blamed on the owners.

United fans......Some of the stuff you have written here before you had even heard both sides of the Rooney saga, is fickle to the extreme. It never ceases to amaze me how United fans always turn so hatefully against their own players, when their manager tells them that a certain player will be leaving. The Rooney episode is not the first time we have witnessed it either.

So now you know that the reason Rooney wants out is because the Glazers have no intention of keeping United a competitive club for the future. David Gill could not assure Rooney that there will be investment in the squad.

Look at the squad you have. It is still a squad of hopefuls and has beens. If you were Rooney's age would you want to commit to a club with such limited ambition?

This is NOT the Manchester United of legend we are talking about here. This a completely different club altogether now. They have no money to spend any longer as is evident from the players they have to use of very limited ability.

These players 10 years ago, or even 5 years ago would never have trod on the turf at Old Trafford, and well you know it. So the writing has been on the wall for you all to see for a long time now.

Think of what Rooney has done for your club over the last 6 years instead of what has happened in the last 6 days. To do otherwise is fickle, ungrateful and ignorant.

Don't forget that Rooney is simply an employee of the club. He isn't a Man U fan and has never claimed to be one. His responsibility is to himself and his own ambitions, and if your club cannot match his ambitions then you have to blame the club, the owners and the board, for the mess you are now in.

Look at Liverpool and begin to worry.

I don't think a squad of 'hopefuls and has beens' is entirely fair when you consider virtually the same side narrowly missed out on the league last season, reached the Champions League quarter finals (losing to a side that made the final) and won the Carling Cup.

That said I agree with most of your other points, this squad doesn't compare to the squads of the past and at the end of the day being a footballer is a job and if you can get paid more elsewhere then naturally you would take it unless you support the club or something.

We can't afford Van Der Vaart's salary. Isn't it obvious? Thats why we now have to buy unproven players and hope they flourish so that we can sell them with profit later on.

True, but arguably we've wasted (unless they work out) 17 million on two unknowns. When most clubs buy an unknown they don't spend a sum anything like that. For 17mil I'd expect better and I'd prefer to see the money spent on someone like VDV in the pursuit of success rather than adding two players who will play a handful of games. Thats what the youth system is meant for imo.

 

[mnj2x]

So has that scouse punk left the club yet? Cant wait.

 

[mnj2x]

Like I said dipstick, we aint talking about the Man U of legend. We are talking about the club as it is right now and more relevantly for the foreseeable future.

Rooney is a multi-millionaire mate. Money would be his last motivation I would think.

The club as it is right now is FINE. Yes financially, we are not very well to do at the moment but other than that..we have high expectations, high ambitions and a squad that has enough quality to win the league. Now stop justifying Rooney's actions. If one fine day John Terry comes out and questions the ambition of Chelsea and doubts the ability of his fellow colleagues and says he wants to win trophies elsewhere after all the support you have given him throughout, how would u react?

 

[Pogba4Now]

lol!

 

[pede54]

The club as it is right now is FINE. Yes financially, we are not very well to do at the moment but other than that..we have high expectations, high ambitions and a squad that has enough quality to win the league. Now stop justifying Rooney's actions. If one fine day John Terry comes out and questions the ambition of Chelsea and doubts the ability of his fellow colleagues and says he wants to win trophies elsewhere after all the support you have given him throughout, how would u react?

So the club as it is right now is fine is it? OK. Whatever. If that's what you really believe. You won't find much support from anyone on that one.

You might of course have high expectations and high ambitions, but thats just you and the rest of United's fans. Your club obviously don't feel the same way or they would never have let the quality of the squad deteriorate so badly. They are constantly feeding you crap and you are blindly and willingly eating it.

If you were Rooney, would you be looking forward to playing with the likes of Johnny Evans every week? Would you want to wait around for a few years for the other very low quality players to hopefully turn into proper footballers? Of course you would not. You want to play with other great players, just like Rooney was promised by United when they poached him from Everton.

United have had a change of direction. They are no longer the richest club in the country and they just do not have the money to bring in players of the quality that Rooney was promised would be there.

Don't forget, Rooney left Everton for trophies and glory at Man U. Trophies and glory that he rightly knew Everton were unable to achieve. You all welcomed him with open arms at the time knowing why he was joining your club, and now he feels that United have reneged on their promises to him he wants out. He wants to play in a team with quality players, not the hopefuls and has beens that United field these days.

You lot need to ask yourselves why your club cannot hold onto players like Tevez, Ronaldo and Rooney, and why do players of that quality want to leave Manchester United in the first place, if United really are the great club to play for that you think it is.

Perhaps they are like rats deserting a sinking ship, and you always knew they were rats didn't you, but as long as they were United rats you didn't care about their dubious character. Then when they dare to walk away from your club, you just can't believe that they would treat your club to the same disloyalty and disrespect (as you see it), that they have always shown to their previous clubs. Bloody incredible hypocrisy.

Rooney does not owe Manchester United any damn thing. He has bought your club success over the last 6 years and you need to remember and appreciate that.

.....and if John Terry one day decided to split with Chelsea because their ambitions were limited and the playing staff were sh!te, then I could understand him going and I would wish him well. Not much chance of that happening though is there.

At Chelsea we tend to remember the best of our ex players and wish them well as they move on. You will not hear any Chelsea fans boo one of our ex players just because they left us for another club.

It has happened to us many times and apart from Gallas whom we choose to simply ignore, our ex players are welcomed with standing ovations at the Bridge. Then again our best players never seem to leave our club, so we are talking about mainly squad players here.

Never the less, we tend to be more respectful and mature about these things at Chelsea, but then we've always had so much more class than many fans from other clubs..

 

[Help?]

At Chelsea we tend to remember the best of our ex players and wish them well as they move on. You will not hear any Chelsea fans boo one of our ex players just because they left us for another club.

It has happened to us many times and apart from Gallas whom we choose to simply ignore, our ex players are welcomed with standing ovations at the Bridge. Then again our best players never seem to leave our club, so we are talking about mainly squad players here.

Never the less, we tend to be more respectful and mature about these things at Chelsea, but then we've always had so much more class than many fans from other clubs..

Your recent history of top level success is only about 6 years old, once you get to our position we will talk . Not many fans complained when top players were leaving in late 90s or early 2000s from United either. But then again, not many top players left at that time, apart from Beckham and Keane who still got a lot of respect from us.

 

[Pogba4Now]

So the club as it is right now is fine is it? OK. Whatever. If that's what you really believe. You won't find much support from anyone on that one.

You might of course have high expectations and high ambitions, but thats just you and the rest of United's fans. Your club obviously don't feel the same way or they would never have let the quality of the squad deteriorate so badly. They are constantly feeding you crap and you are blindly and willingly eating it.

If you were Rooney, would you be looking forward to playing with the likes of Johnny Evans every week? Would you want to wait around for a few years for the other very low quality players to hopefully turn into proper footballers? Of course you would not. You want to play with other great players, just like Rooney was promised by United when they poached him from Everton.

United have had a change of direction. They are no longer the richest club in the country and they just do not have the money to bring in players of the quality that Rooney was promised would be there.

Don't forget, Rooney left Everton for trophies and glory at Man U. Trophies and glory that he rightly knew Everton were unable to achieve. You all welcomed him with open arms at the time knowing why he was joining your club, and now he feels that United have reneged on their promises to him he wants out. He wants to play in a team with quality players, not the hopefuls and has beens that United field these days.

You lot need to ask yourselves why your club cannot hold onto players like Tevez, Ronaldo and Rooney, and why do players of that quality want to leave Manchester United in the first place, if United really are the great club to play for that you think it is.

Perhaps they are like rats deserting a sinking ship, and you always knew they were rats didn't you, but as long as they were United rats you didn't care about their dubious character. Then when they dare to walk away from your club, you just can't believe that they would treat your club to the same disloyalty and disrespect (as you see it), that they have always shown to their previous clubs. Bloody incredible hypocrisy.

Rooney does not owe Manchester United any damn thing. He has bought your club success over the last 6 years and you need to remember and appreciate that.

.....and if John Terry one day decided to split with Chelsea because their ambitions were limited and the playing staff were sh!te, then I could understand him going and I would wish him well. Not much chance of that happening though is there.

At Chelsea we tend to remember the best of our ex players and wish them well as they move on. You will not hear any Chelsea fans boo one of our ex players just because they left us for another club.

It has happened to us many times and apart from Gallas whom we choose to simply ignore, our ex players are welcomed with standing ovations at the Bridge. Then again our best players never seem to leave our club, so we are talking about mainly squad players here.

Never the less, we tend to be more respectful and mature about these things at Chelsea, but then we've always had so much more class than many fans from other clubs..

Come on, the only United player I remember who has left United and booed by our fans is Tevez. And thats because he chose to play for our fiercest rival. I'm pretty sure Terry would be booed if he chose one of Chelsea's rivals. Beckham was received by a splendid ovation when he played against us. I expect the same to happen if ever Ronaldo plays against us.

 

[pede54]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...besieged-by-angry-Manchester-United-fans.html

 

[Pogba4Now]

thats ******* ridiculous. stupid fans.

 

[Pogba4Now]

I want Luis Suarez to replace Rooney. Won't happen though. Suarez's style would be perfect for the EPL.

 

[mnj2x]

So the club as it is right now is fine is it? OK. Whatever. If that's what you really believe. You won't find much support from anyone on that one.

You might of course have high expectations and high ambitions, but thats just you and the rest of United's fans. Your club obviously don't feel the same way or they would never have let the quality of the squad deteriorate so badly. They are constantly feeding you crap and you are blindly and willingly eating it.

If you were Rooney, would you be looking forward to playing with the likes of Johnny Evans every week? Would you want to wait around for a few years for the other very low quality players to hopefully turn into proper footballers? Of course you would not. You want to play with other great players, just like Rooney was promised by United when they poached him from Everton.

United have had a change of direction. They are no longer the richest club in the country and they just do not have the money to bring in players of the quality that Rooney was promised would be there.

Don't forget, Rooney left Everton for trophies and glory at Man U. Trophies and glory that he rightly knew Everton were unable to achieve. You all welcomed him with open arms at the time knowing why he was joining your club, and now he feels that United have reneged on their promises to him he wants out. He wants to play in a team with quality players, not the hopefuls and has beens that United field these days.

You lot need to ask yourselves why your club cannot hold onto players like Tevez, Ronaldo and Rooney, and why do players of that quality want to leave Manchester United in the first place, if United really are the great club to play for that you think it is.

Perhaps they are like rats deserting a sinking ship, and you always knew they were rats didn't you, but as long as they were United rats you didn't care about their dubious character. Then when they dare to walk away from your club, you just can't believe that they would treat your club to the same disloyalty and disrespect (as you see it), that they have always shown to their previous clubs. Bloody incredible hypocrisy.

Rooney does not owe Manchester United any damn thing. He has bought your club success over the last 6 years and you need to remember and appreciate that.

.....and if John Terry one day decided to split with Chelsea because their ambitions were limited and the playing staff were sh!te, then I could understand him going and I would wish him well. Not much chance of that happening though is there.

At Chelsea we tend to remember the best of our ex players and wish them well as they move on. You will not hear any Chelsea fans boo one of our ex players just because they left us for another club.

It has happened to us many times and apart from Gallas whom we choose to simply ignore, our ex players are welcomed with standing ovations at the Bridge. Then again our best players never seem to leave our club, so we are talking about mainly squad players here.

Never the less, we tend to be more respectful and mature about these things at Chelsea, but then we've always had so much more class than many fans from other clubs..

Dude where do you find the time to write such long responses. Anyway, that is your viewpoint of the situation and I feel differently about it.

Even if Rooney decides to stay ( I.E. we are able to pay him the obscene sum of amount money hes implicitly asking) , I dont think the relationship between the fans and him will be the same.

I think the best thing is for him to part with us im afraid.

 

[adedawson]

rooneys staying. little ****er. bet his wages went up

 

[VanTheMan]

wht a fag..
it'll take long fr him to win fans n all back

 

[Recrero152]

The hell, now he's staying? I bet he just wanted attention from the media.

 

[ladylover]

The hell, now he's staying? I bet he just wanted attention from the media.

Nope, he wanted more money, it will take a while before he is forgiven again.... he already apologized to SAF and the players, he should also do it to the fans

 

[Help?]

This situation is just strange. If he was holding out for a better contract, then why did he go so far as to say that the club has no ambition? Something tells me that he realized that he will rot on the bench for the rest of the season and won't get as good of offers as he would when on top of his game. Plus, who wants a mob camping around your house for the whole season? As for United, a new deal means that they have more bargaining power in the transfer negotiations and Rooney won't leave for some ridiculous amount like 5 mil. Smells like Ronaldo situation to me again. Don't think he will stick around for longer than 2 more years at United.

 

[Pogba4Now]

Is he? I'm shocked. Yeah I'm pretty sure he did that just to get a better salary. Kind of like the Vidic case. But this one is an EXTREME case. I guess it worked out well for him though. He knew that Fergie would be desperate to tie up his contract.

I guess thats good and bad news. Good news because he's an awesome player and I hope he can get back on form. Bad news because that will unsettle the whole team for a while.

I'm sure he'll get lots of boos. But this will be forgotten quite soon if he hits good form. Same like with Ronaldo after the Portugal-England incident.

I've got mixed feelings on that, really.

 

[cfdemarco]

Is he? I'm shocked. Yeah I'm pretty sure he did that just to get a better salary. Kind of like the Vidic case. But this one is an EXTREME case. I guess it worked out well for him though. He knew that Fergie would be desperate to tie up his contract.

I guess thats good and bad news. Good news because he's an awesome player and I hope he can get back on form. Bad news because that will unsettle the whole team for a while.

I'm sure he'll get lots of boos. But this will be forgotten quite soon if he hits good form. Same like with Ronaldo after the Portugal-England incident.

I've got mixed feelings on that, really.

Ronaldo incident was a lot different, at least that was something that happened on the field.

This, Rooney was just holding United hostage.

 

[Help?]

He put down his teammates. This really doesn't sound like your typical case of holding out for a better contract.

 

[vitu]

You guys are too anal about this issue. Who doesn't work for money and only money nowadays??? Players don't play for the heart anymore. That's for old timers.