Well I was on call the other day and after an hour had nothing much to do except stand about gettng paid lots of money so I decided to have a read of a PS2 mag. Inside was a small preview of PES2 and a very small interview with a guy from the PES/WE6 creation team. They were going on about how they go to watch football matches and so on to catch the atmosphere + movements etc. And then they said a couple of really interesting stuff. The main this was that they have only completed 30% of what they want to achieve from this football series. In other words they plan to to improve it 70%. I really dont know how they can do this. Surely there are a few small gripes but lest face it PES/WE6 are absolute masterpieces. Online play, all corect names, more leagues etc will make a big difference but Id love to know what eles is planned for the future
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KCET Interview--- Just read this
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i agree with you, stuie. we6 is a great game, the best football game ever made (until PES2 comes out of course) but seriously there are a whole lot of things that can be added to the game besides all the leagues and clubs. i mean gameplay improvements. here are a few of my thoughts:
1. header one-two's
2. improved penalty-kicking-system which requires true skills
3. much more realistic goalie AI, especially on 1on1's
4. direct one-two's, you know it is impossible to pull off a one timer one-two
5. much more curve on the shots (you all have seen lee bowyers successful shot after the pass from Kewell, fortnight ago, havent you?)
6. goals from 30m range in play (not freekick) with excellent shooters like Seedorf, Roberto Carlos etc. happens now and then in real life
7. goalie saves the ball with one fist only and the ball goes over the bar then goalie falls on the ground (not the volleyball style two hand save we have in we6 & pes and the goalie standing on his feet afterwards. that's so unrealistic, you must agree that they fall down almost everytime they save such a shot with one fist in real life)
8. referee & linesmen on the pitch: possibility to pull off fake fouls (i dont know the english word, do you say "swallow"?) and if the ref catchs you you get booked if not you get a penalty nah sayin?
also wrong offside decisions would be cool! in we6 everytime the defender lifts his arm it s actually offside. gets on my nerves.
9. fair referees!
10. better AI, still i cant see enough difference in the playing style of Norway (long passes and no technique) and Brazil (keep the ball low & many tricks) or Italy (defending) and South Corea (attacking) okay, maybe south corea is a bad example then lets say Holland or England instead. all i want is more realism in that department.
11. players who have great technique skills like Denilson or Zidane should be able to perform realistic special tricks (spin or tunnel) and beat the defender even on level 5 on the 1on1 situation (not only the goalie! but also the actual side and center backs etc.). real signature moves would be the killer!
12. CPU should do some substitutions and stuff before the match so that it brings up its best lineup (like in ISS Deluxe for the SNES!)
13. more freekick variations (2-3 players standing before the ball etc. and then you fake the first one and shoot the second and so on)
14. CPU should vary its freekick shooters during the game. example: CPU substitutes: Di Livio, in...Del Piero, out...for whatever reason...italy still has Totti on the field but Tommasi will take ALL the freekicks because Del Piero was assigned to take them all. so the CPU wont switch to Totti. that gets me mad everytime!
that's all i wanna think of now. just some things to show what can be improved in the remaining 70%
1. header one-two's
2. improved penalty-kicking-system which requires true skills
3. much more realistic goalie AI, especially on 1on1's
4. direct one-two's, you know it is impossible to pull off a one timer one-two
5. much more curve on the shots (you all have seen lee bowyers successful shot after the pass from Kewell, fortnight ago, havent you?)
6. goals from 30m range in play (not freekick) with excellent shooters like Seedorf, Roberto Carlos etc. happens now and then in real life
7. goalie saves the ball with one fist only and the ball goes over the bar then goalie falls on the ground (not the volleyball style two hand save we have in we6 & pes and the goalie standing on his feet afterwards. that's so unrealistic, you must agree that they fall down almost everytime they save such a shot with one fist in real life)
8. referee & linesmen on the pitch: possibility to pull off fake fouls (i dont know the english word, do you say "swallow"?) and if the ref catchs you you get booked if not you get a penalty nah sayin?
also wrong offside decisions would be cool! in we6 everytime the defender lifts his arm it s actually offside. gets on my nerves.
9. fair referees!
10. better AI, still i cant see enough difference in the playing style of Norway (long passes and no technique) and Brazil (keep the ball low & many tricks) or Italy (defending) and South Corea (attacking) okay, maybe south corea is a bad example then lets say Holland or England instead. all i want is more realism in that department.
11. players who have great technique skills like Denilson or Zidane should be able to perform realistic special tricks (spin or tunnel) and beat the defender even on level 5 on the 1on1 situation (not only the goalie! but also the actual side and center backs etc.). real signature moves would be the killer!
12. CPU should do some substitutions and stuff before the match so that it brings up its best lineup (like in ISS Deluxe for the SNES!)
13. more freekick variations (2-3 players standing before the ball etc. and then you fake the first one and shoot the second and so on)
14. CPU should vary its freekick shooters during the game. example: CPU substitutes: Di Livio, in...Del Piero, out...for whatever reason...italy still has Totti on the field but Tommasi will take ALL the freekicks because Del Piero was assigned to take them all. so the CPU wont switch to Totti. that gets me mad everytime!
that's all i wanna think of now. just some things to show what can be improved in the remaining 70%
They can improve the game forever until it emulates real life perfectly. How about Virtuality Reality options where are a player on the pitch? The options and improvements are endless, yet the game is (and can be) considered near perfect.
I think the main things I would like to see improved are:
on the ball skill; more realistic moves and fakes but in such a way that it takes a very large amount of skill and timing to execute them (as in real life).
off the ball movement; players like ljungberg who are so valuable to a team because of their off the ball runs should emulate their real life counterparts. "Runs" in general should be improved and become more complex and intelligent.
comp AI/speed; I would like to see the teams you face play the general style of the real team and play defense more realistically. When you are playing on extreme, Thierry Henry (the fastest player in the world IMO) can be caught by.... Laurent Blanc (no speedster). In real life, I don't think I have seen anyone catch Henry if he gets a step; I would like to see defenses use intelligent strategies to shut down players, no CPU cheating (same goes for the speed issue when CPU attacking).
I know this isn't a "things we wanna see improved" thread, but those 3 things were on my mind.
I think the main things I would like to see improved are:
on the ball skill; more realistic moves and fakes but in such a way that it takes a very large amount of skill and timing to execute them (as in real life).
off the ball movement; players like ljungberg who are so valuable to a team because of their off the ball runs should emulate their real life counterparts. "Runs" in general should be improved and become more complex and intelligent.
comp AI/speed; I would like to see the teams you face play the general style of the real team and play defense more realistically. When you are playing on extreme, Thierry Henry (the fastest player in the world IMO) can be caught by.... Laurent Blanc (no speedster). In real life, I don't think I have seen anyone catch Henry if he gets a step; I would like to see defenses use intelligent strategies to shut down players, no CPU cheating (same goes for the speed issue when CPU attacking).
I know this isn't a "things we wanna see improved" thread, but those 3 things were on my mind.
I just scored a 30 m verey curled longshoot, with the outside of the foot.
Maybe you should shoot more
I dont score that many longshoots, but i feel the main problem is that i simply do not try it more often.
For me its max once a game, and thats far to little
Anyway a couple of things they really should improve.
WE6 is a brilliant game, but there is so many weird ****ed up things in this game.
1. Just cuse its raining the pitch doesnt have to be flooded!
2. Improve the ligthing effects in the nigth matches! Nigth matches just depresses me, i play twice as good in dayligth.
Specially playign nigth matches in San Siro bugs me a lot.
I dont know... is this only a problem for me?, kind of suspects
that. Yes I am serious i really, really hate playing the nigth matches, its something wrong with the ligthing effects, to dark...
And the colour of the grass at Nou Camp still sucks bigtime, however still better than the grey grass in Pro Evolution.
3. I dont feel there is that much difference in dribbling different players, and more offensive players Totti, Raul etc certainly shouldnt be so aggresive and hard to beat in 1 on 1.
4.already been said, even if you can see difference in teams style of play its not enough.
I specially want the cpu teams to play much more defensive when leading in the last 10 minutes, they dont draw back at all...
However btw i cant see how u can call England a offensive team?, they where one of the most defensive teams in the whole wc, and couldnt create chances on their own.
5. Better crowd response. The booing isnt verey well done.
I want more tension crowd noise at dangerous situations.
And why not some nice tifos, other than that big flag.
6.Remove that stupid Champione chant , yuck!!!
7.Ofcourse get rid of the speed cheating, even if it doesnt annoys me as much anymore.
Maybe you should shoot more
I dont score that many longshoots, but i feel the main problem is that i simply do not try it more often.
For me its max once a game, and thats far to little
Anyway a couple of things they really should improve.
WE6 is a brilliant game, but there is so many weird ****ed up things in this game.
1. Just cuse its raining the pitch doesnt have to be flooded!
2. Improve the ligthing effects in the nigth matches! Nigth matches just depresses me, i play twice as good in dayligth.
Specially playign nigth matches in San Siro bugs me a lot.
I dont know... is this only a problem for me?, kind of suspects
that
. Yes I am serious i really, really hate playing the nigth matches, its something wrong with the ligthing effects, to dark...And the colour of the grass at Nou Camp still sucks bigtime, however still better than the grey grass in Pro Evolution.
3. I dont feel there is that much difference in dribbling different players, and more offensive players Totti, Raul etc certainly shouldnt be so aggresive and hard to beat in 1 on 1.
4.already been said, even if you can see difference in teams style of play its not enough.
I specially want the cpu teams to play much more defensive when leading in the last 10 minutes, they dont draw back at all...
However btw i cant see how u can call England a offensive team?, they where one of the most defensive teams in the whole wc, and couldnt create chances on their own.
5. Better crowd response. The booing isnt verey well done.
I want more tension crowd noise at dangerous situations.
And why not some nice tifos
, other than that big flag.6.Remove that stupid Champione chant , yuck!!!
7.Ofcourse get rid of the speed cheating, even if it doesnt annoys me as much anymore.
hell yea, add the last line to my idea about the special tricks!
i didnt think of that one but you are absolutely right! this must vastly be improved! in we6 there are hardly any runs at all!
this was mentioned about a thousand times by now but it cant be mentioned often enought in order that KTYO realizes and fixes this speed CHEATING!
I want to be able to do little skills on the ball, and I want to get the feeling that when you are in control of a class player like zidane that you can do fantastic things like perfect passes and little drag backs and step overs.
The one thing I really want is to be able to play the premiership and champions league.
The one thing I really want is to be able to play the premiership and champions league.
Originally posted by MisterX_K
8. referee & linesmen on the pitch: possibility to pull off fake fouls (i dont know the english word, do you say "swallow"?) and if the ref catchs you you get booked if not you get a penalty nah sayin?
The word you're looking for is "dive" although the official name is "simulation" I think all games should be like TIF2002 & TIF2003 and have a dive button.
Mike.
You mean, you don't know why you "would" want it in the game?
I really don't think it should be in the game. Yes it's part of the game, but IMO it's brings nothing valuable to the game. It really takes away from "the beautiful game". I've never simulated in a game, I think it's stupid.
Yes that is what I was saying. It is part of the game in real life, however it is an ugly part of the game. It's just like after a tough tackle they introduce fighting. It happens in real life, do we really need it in a game? And even if we do, I think there are more important features that have to be fixed/added before a diving feature.
Just as a side note. The CPU dives more than Ortega playing Cameroon.
Re: KCET Interview--- Just read this
When you sit and think about it, good though WE6 is, there is an endless list of things that can be improved.
It's gratifying to know that the developers are aware that they have a very long way to go and even more gratifying to know that they intend to continue developing the game in search of perfection.
Let's hope nobody declares war with Japan in the next 20 years so that these guys can continue their mission.
When you sit and think about it, good though WE6 is, there is an endless list of things that can be improved.
It's gratifying to know that the developers are aware that they have a very long way to go and even more gratifying to know that they intend to continue developing the game in search of perfection.
Let's hope nobody declares war with Japan in the next 20 years so that these guys can continue their mission.
i dont think the dive would be a stupid, useless thing in the game!
it should of course not work ALL THE TIME.
u should get punished for simulating the foul of course which means u see the yellow card (or the red like Totti, everybody remember?)
it would rise the funfactor IMO also all of my friends say the same.
see, some ppl like the idea some not.
anyway, maybe the compromise would be puttin it in as optional, agree or do you still invidiar it?
it should of course not work ALL THE TIME.
u should get punished for simulating the foul of course which means u see the yellow card (or the red like Totti, everybody remember?)
it would rise the funfactor IMO also all of my friends say the same.
see, some ppl like the idea some not.
anyway, maybe the compromise would be puttin it in as optional, agree or do you still invidiar it?
I still disagree. I don't like it in real life either.
How could it possibly increase the fun factor? So instead of winning or losing by skill, you would want to win or lose from winnign a free kick/penalty from a dive? That would just piss me off, whether I won or not.
It would be EXTREMELY diffictult to put it in the a game efficiently anyways. You would have take into account where the ref it. There's no point sticking it there as a gimmick, sounds like a FIFA idea. Leave diving out, it shouldn't be part of the game in real life or in WE.
Even if they put the "dive" i don't think i would use it... I also think that, although it is a part of the game(in real life), it wouldn't bring anything good to the game.
As the_man said, before that there is a lot of, more important, thnings they should think of improving like AI...
As the_man said, before that there is a lot of, more important, thnings they should think of improving like AI...
Originally posted by bulldrig
I just scored a 30 m verey curled longshoot, with the outside of the foot.
Maybe you should shoot more
I dont score that many longshoots, but i feel the main problem is that i simply do not try it more often.
For me its max once a game, and thats far to little
i really don't understand what is the problem with shooting. I hear a lot of peps comlpaining about how hard it is to score from range
. One word for u: practise. IMO shooting in we6 is perfect because of 2 things:
1- Shooting is analog so u can choose wether to blast it into the top corner or just place a lobbed shot past an out stretching GK( scored like that from like 30m, only pressed [] and watched it go gracefully over the hand of the keeper and into the top corner-beatifull moment
).2- Ball pshyics is perfect. The ball i heavier than in PES, where most of the times the ball would behave like a helium balloon!
The only thing that makes shooting harder is the quality of the GK. If u want to beat the likes of Buffon or Kahn from outside the box u really must have a good shooting technique, and even then they might still save it...
The Kop Kid
Senior Squad
I think a dive button is a sh*te idea personally. i realize that it is part of the game, but like "the_man" said, it's ugly. Diving is ruining the sport in real life to a certain extent, without that kind of crap appearing in games. And putting it in as optional? Wouldn't you rather lose fairly, than cheat. Maybe you would like a crowd violence button also. I mean, it's part of the game. Realism is not neccesary in ALL cases.
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Reserve Team
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