Juventus FC [2009-2010] Thread

[theo]

Amen

 

[4ndr3i]

Del Piero

Edit: forget it ..

 

[kp41]

I don't think I've ever witnessed Juve losing 4 (championship) games in a row.

6th defeat in the last 8 matches. That's disgusting.

Lot's of drama at the end. It's a shame that Del Piero's goal was not decisive.

 

[Rocky]

The team we had in Serie B was better than this one.

 

[silvone]

If Ciro loves Juventus now it's the right moment to prouve it...

 

[Mus]

this is sh*t.

 

[saud]

In the dark night the full moon is missing >>> A famous saying in my country

 

[kp41]

what Juve board is waiting for?

It's Juventus, damn it. 8 defeat in a last 10 matches, that's a big shame.

can someone explain this to me!!!!

 

[Rocky]

We hired Zaccheroni to replace Ferrara! We got a crappy coach to replace a crappy coach, wonderful.

Awful move. Our board has no clue what a good coach is.

 

[Xifio]

yeah, they might as well have stuck with Ferrara than make this switch ... after all the Guus and even Rafa rumours, this is a disappointing surprise move by the board ...

 

[kp41]

he should really come back, I'm sure you know him.

 

[kp41]

kp, wtf are you talking about? worst Juve for the last 25 years? and you know this from first-hand experience? Juve are down in 6th in the league right now ... and you only have to go back to 1999 to find the last time Juve finished 6th in the league ...

Did they loose 8 out of 10 matches in 1999?

Did they loose to Milan, Roma, and Inter one after each other?

Yes, the current team is worst team of last 25 years or at least this century.

 

[kp41]

did they play Milan, Roma, and Inter in quick succession in 1999? and how would Inter be a factor back then? they finished 2 places lower than Juve ...

and going through their results, Juve went through a phase from November to December in 1998 where they played Udinese (Away; Draw), Roma (A; L), Empoli (H; D), Bologna (A; L), Lazio (H; L), and Fiorentina (A; L) where they lost 4, and drew 2 ...

You are so angry because I said the worst Juventus of last 25 years.

First, 4 defeat and 2 Draw >>> 8 defeat in 10 matches

Second, They bought Diego, Melo, Grosso, Cannavaro and ... so I expected a better run this year.

This Juventus is awful and that's the main case not that history part.

 

[kp41]

you're jumping on the bandwagon (repeating whatever you've read in the press) and trying to make a mountain out of a molehill ... and I called you out on it ...

everyone knows that Juve are going through an awful period in terms of results ... if the important part of your point was to say that they are playing badly, then just say "they are playing badly" and leave it ... everyone will know you are stating the obvious and move on ...

but when you decide to embellish your post with premature declarations such as "worst team for 25 years", when we're barely past halfway of the season, then you're going to get called out ...

if this form continues or worsens, and the season finishes badly, then it may well be the case that this is the worst performing Juve team for 25 years ...

but if anyone watched the match they played yesterday, they wouldn't be convinced there is any "crisis" at Juve, based on how they played ... there is enough quality there in that team to make something of this season ... whether they can convert that potential into results is the obvious challenge ...

that was 6 league matches ... they also lost to Bologna in the Coppa in December of 1998 ...

Juve's last 10 matches this season also includes a win against champions and rivals Inter in the league ... so, how does that fit into your theory?

First I should give credit to you to open this issue from all angles. It becomes easier to argue about misunderstandings then.

I also think that the current squad has a good potential and I believe a good coach like Hiddink or Lippi can do great things with the current Juve.

But they play very bad as a team, and I personally don't know what's really wrong, I hope it will be better after Ciro. Let me play with words, The Juventus of last few months had the worst performance and results of last 25 years.

 

[kp41]

Ok as you wished Rocky.

now what do you think veteran?

 

[Recrero152]

the current Juve team has the individual quality, because that is why the individuals who were brought in were brought in ... but they are going through a prolonged phase where they lack form, chemistry, and thus confidence ...

For the first, I never said that they did not lack the quality, of course they have the quality, who knows what's the matter with them but I agree on this matter with kp40, Juventus has, statistically and theoratically had the worst performance and results over the 25 years.
Why is that? Because of their bad defeats against lower class teams as Chievo and Bari(statistical fact) and that they have not managed to play properly against the bigger teams which they should keep more class against(theoratically). Don't forget that big loss at home soil against Bayern Munich with 1-4 which got them knocked out in the Champions League and Bayern cruised into the last 16, that's how the bad form started to grow.

 

[Rocky]

Ok as you wished Rocky.

now what do you think veteran?

Are you teasing me? Or flirting with me?

Because I can never tell.

 

[kp41]

No man, was just joking.

btw, next match is against Lazio. I hope Zac starts with a win.

 

[Xifio]

I agree on this matter with kp40, Juventus has, statistically and theoratically had the worst performance and results over the 25 years.

send me the links to the stats and list the criteria you experts are using that to analyze this team, and to conclude that they are the worst Juve side for 25 years ...

Because of their bad defeats against lower class teams as Chievo and Bari(statistical fact) and that they have not managed to play properly against the bigger teams which they should keep more class against(theoratically).

Bari have a very good home record for a newly promoted team ... even Inter have failed to beat them both at home and away ...

against "lower class teams", Man Yoo have lost to Burnley (at home), drew with Sunderland (at home), and lost to Fulham (away) ... they've also been beaten by Aston Villa at home ... and against the "bigger teams", they've lost to both Chelsea and Liverpool this season ... not only did they lose those games, but were shut-out in all of them ... should Man Yoo be berated and start panicking too? of course not!

the problem with Juve has been chemistry ... but if it clicks, they are capable to finishing the season strong enough to meet their targets ...

Barcelona in 2003/04 were piss-poor in the first half of the season (bottom half of the table, I think) ... after Davids came into the team in Jan 2004, they went on a record-breaking run that saw them finish second, and lay the foundation for the next two sensational seasons ...

so don't be too hasty to judge ... the important thing for people within the Juventus organization is to ensure that the team's chemistry is addressed, and the necessary changes (personnel, facilities, food?, or whatever else) are made ... they've already made a change with the management team ... I don't know if this is the right move (I personally am not at all convinced), but time will tell ... if they are in this position at the end of March, then the overly critical "worst team in decades" stuff may be apt ...

Don't forget that big loss at home soil against Bayern Munich with 1-4 which got them knocked out in the Champions League and Bayern cruised into the last 16, that's how the bad form started to grow.

if you remember, Bayern were on the brink of sacking Van Gaal if that match didn't go as well as it did for them ... they've bounced back since then, wouldn't you say? a watershed moment for them, perhaps? something that Juve will be hoping comes immediately ...

 

[kp41]

I would like to be as optimistic as you, but let's be realistic.