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Mandieta6;3829225 said:
I am yet to see Pogba dominate a high-level match (CL quarters, etc) like Bale has in the past. Pogba is still trading more in potential than ability. I like him and would jumo at him coming to Chelsea for even 100m, but he's way overhyped.

What Arnau said too.

I think Pogba has shown much more than one really good game against a shitty inter
 

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I recall Bale being dominant in a Clasixo and in the CL final but I might be giving extra weight to goals.

I really haven't seen Pogba being that dominant though. But hey, if he was my player I'd ride his dick too.
 

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Bale has been incredibly dominant, but the problem is that midfielders, especially in Pogba's role, just aren't given the freedom to take over games that way. Pogba is also so good in the defensive and positional sense, that he's not going to go crazy on offense and abandon his defenders to counter attacks. Bale doesn't give a shit about defense.
 

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Mandieta6;3829364 said:
I recall Bale being dominant in a Clasixo and in the CL final but I might be giving extra weight to goals.

I really haven't seen Pogba being that dominant though. But hey, if he was my player I'd ride his dick too.

How did he play a clasico and cl final at Tottenham? His price was from before he played at madrid..
 

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Stupid reasoning. You're saying Pogba is worth more than what Bale was and I'm saying Bale showed more dominance. He shiwrd it at Spurs AND Madrid. I wasn't saying these sort of performances would impact his price but if you pay that sort of momey you expect that level of performance. I certainly haven't seen anything from Pogba to suggest he should be worth a Bale and a half.
 

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Mandieta6;3829505 said:
Stupid reasoning. You're saying Pogba is worth more than what Bale was and I'm saying Bale showed more dominance. He shiwrd it at Spurs AND Madrid. I wasn't saying these sort of performances would impact his price but if you pay that sort of momey you expect that level of performance. I certainly haven't seen anything from Pogba to suggest he should be worth a Bale and a half.

My point is he's shown more than Bale had prior to his purchase of 100m, not comparing Bale at 25 and playing for madrid - ironically though if he was to be purchased he'd go for less than his previous fee
 

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I'm not sure that he has. When bale was purchased he was coming off a year when he decided every other match for his team.
 

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Come on Az, I doubt you even watched Pogba apart from a couple of CL games. You can't really understand how immense he is unless you've watched him on a regular basis.
 

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I think I've only seen one Pogba Serie A match and I got bored halfway through and switched to Hull-Sunderland. However, I have watched many of his CL matches and some France matches and while I love the talent, I am seeing more potential than current ability. I have never seen enough to merit a top 5 status. I have seen that with Bale as well as glimpses of it with Hazard when he first arrived.

100m players dominate most matches at every context, and they raise their game when the going gets tough. I am not saying Pogba doesn't do that, and I am certianly not saying that he will not be worth 100m eventually. Right now, he is not there. You can blame that on position or whatever, but the only reason I can iamgine him going for more than Bale money is if the market rises even more and because it iks entirely possible that Juve are smart enough and hve enough competing offers to drive the price up.
 

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Ok, so in that context is Bale worth 100m? Tbh I was more scared of Carvajal than Bale when we played Real in the CL. He was beyond abysmal, even his fans were booing him at every touch. If this was the guy that was worth 100m than Pogba is worth that as well or even more.


If you have time to kill, just watch a couple of minutes of this:

 

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I love it when people post highlight reels about players I've seena bunch of players. Especially when we talk about dominating games, because obviously highlight reels show that.

I'd say Bale is worth less, but the market value is determined by the past. Bale was deemed worth 100m and because I do not see any reason for Pogba to be worth more, that is the cieling.

Bale had a poor year, in which he still had above-average numbers. I don't think anyone doubs his ability though. You being more afraid of Carvajal in a 2-match series and the fickleness of Madrid fans are not relevant, though.
 

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Madrid fans are idiots and if anyone was going to win that tie for Madrid it was Bale. Everyone else seemed to give up. Yes he missed some great chances, but can you really question the big game goal scoring of a player who got the winner in the Copa del Rey and CL Finals last season?
 

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Mandieta6;3829547 said:
I'm not sure that he has. When bale was purchased he was coming off a year when he decided every other match for his team.

He was the head and shoulders best player in a team which comfortably won it's league and reached the CL final, as opposed to a team which challenged for 4th
 

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lol, what is going on here? I smell someone trying to cook up an alibi for something ...


Mandieta6;3829558 said:
I think I've only seen one Pogba Serie A match and I got bored halfway through and switched to Hull-Sunderland.
Mandieta6;3829591 said:
I love it when people post highlight reels about players I've seena bunch of players. Especially when we talk about dominating games, because obviously highlight reels show that.
you refuse to watch him live for most of the season, AND you knock the highlights someone posts? and you're still convinced your opinion of him is more accurate than those who watch him week in, week out? wow, bravo!
 

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Your point makes no sense. Highlight vids are not valid evidence for anything. Being swayed by them is stupid.

I've seen Pogba play probably just under 10 times this season, plus perhapa that same number over the past 2 years. Obviously Juve fans will know him better but that's a big enough sample pool to know a player enough to know if he's a 100m player.

Your argument is faulty because fans are always biased towards their players. I wouldn't have sold Mata or KDB or Luiz or even Lukaku for under 80m myself. As a fan, you tend to see the better side of yoyr key players. It's psychological. Good players are stored in the memory, bad ones are tossed out, thus allowing one to continue to feed one's conception of the player (think self-feeding political arguments).

I wonder if you're stepping in because you selected Pogba... Anyway, I'm sure you can come up with a better argument than ad hominem, especially such a weak case of it at that.

@Mus, if that was the criteria then Diego Costa would have been worth 100m too. Gotze the year before that, etc. Personally I wasn't at all impressed with the Juve squad, which I think got lucky and took advantage if a weak year for most of the top clubs. Pogba being the best player in that side doesn't make him worth 100m.

Bale was head and shoulders the best player, in a much more decisive manner, in what was at the time one of the he toughest leagues to compete in. Pogba shines in Serie A.
 

Mus

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He's a runner who will be finished in 3-4 years

Only reason he cost that is because he's British
 

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Arnau;3829750 said:
Lol at this

A bit sensationalist but his production won't be the same, he won't kick over 25 goals a season at Madrid outside of possibly the next few years
 


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