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Is Rooney good enough to Start for England?

Chelives

Reserve Team
Do you guys think Rooney is good enough to start for England?

Last night down the pub, me and some mates were discussing this. My personnal opinion is that, he hasnt really shone this year. Fine he has been at Everton who finished bottom of the non relegated lot, but he hasnt been that good. Where-as in my opinion, in the small time that Defoe has been at that small club at the north end of london, he has been superb, and I reckon is one of the best English finishers.

However, Rooney and Owen are too similar, are Defoe and Rooney??
What other options do we have?

vassel has hardly played this season, but is always a gamble on the bench. Heskey? Beattie? Phillips?
 

Daz

Everyone's Favourite Diabetic
i think that we should play 5 midfielders with owen up front on his own:


---------------James-----------------

Gaz-------Sol-------Terry----A Cole-


-------------Butt/Phil Nev-----------


Beckham------Gerrard----Dyer/Scholes

----------Scholes/Lampard---------

------------------Owen----------------

I'd either play Dyer on the left and Scholes AM or Scholes on the left and Lampard AM.
 

Daz

Everyone's Favourite Diabetic
Originally posted by jumbo
Lol, I think he was asking for your opinion on Rooney...:D

well by not putting him in my team, i'm showing that i don't think he is :p ;)
 

Chelives

Reserve Team
Two Def.Mid, thats very defensive.

my teams would be.......


-----------------------------James------------------------------

Neville-----------Terry---------------Campbell---------A Cole


Beckham---------Gerrard-----------------------------Bridge----

----------------------------------------Lumphard-------------------



---------------------Owen--------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------Defoe---------------------------
 

monkee

Senior Squad
I think Rooney is fairly good but whether he's worthy of his England place based on performances this season I'm not really sure.

The question maybe should be can Rooney and Owen play together? For my money it would be can Owen form a partnership with any other striker? I don't think he can.

As for the team I'd go with

--------------------James--------------------
-G Neville----Terry----Campbell--Cole-
-----------------P Neville---------------------
--Becks----------------------/\----Gerrard--
--------------------------Lampard------------
-----------Scholes----------------------------
-----------------------Owen------------------
 

Chelives

Reserve Team
Yeh sorry read Butt/Phil Nev............Phil and Nev being different players.lol.

I agree about Owen not forming a partnership with anyone, but can he play by himself. I dont think he is strong enough to play by himself. Probably why Hesky plays so much.
 

Chelives

Reserve Team
Beckham hasn't got the pace to join up with the attackers.
He also is a wide player, who crosses them in, bringing him inside to join owen, would defeat the whole object of playing him, and it would be more worthwhile to play somebody with pace and skill if they were gonig to do that job.


Would also play Gerrard as the defensive mdifielder. While I like Butt, I think at this level, you need a person who can not only win the ball, and take it past a player, and see a pass that others won;t. I dont think Butt is up to that, but Gerrard is.
 

monkee

Senior Squad
Yeah but I think Gerrard is a forward thinking player. Granted he runs box to box but he's not usually about doing the dirty work protecting the back 4, which is where England now have a problem. They have a derth of attacking options but scant defensive options other than Nicky Butt and Phil Neville.

When it comes down to it you can't play a 4 man midfield containing Beckham, Gerrard, Scholes and Lampard at the level England are going to play in Euro2004, it's too attacking and the well-balanced French team would have little difficulty picking holes in the 4 man England defense with no real cover. Now Beckham's the capt and is a great player so he's not going to be dropped. Steven Gerrard is the form player so he has to be in the team and you need 1 DMF, either Butt or P Neville.

I'll leave the choice of another midfielder for a second to discuss the left of midfield. Kieron Dyer is considered a more natural winger, but has been far from impressive down the left. Playing 2 LB's (Cole and Bridge) isn't going to solve the problem because neither plays LMF for their club so their experience in midfield is zero and that makes that a non-starter. So that position is still vacant.

Back to the Lampard Scholes debate. Lampard's played very well for his club this season, but I think Scholes should be 1st choice. You've heard respected coaches and ex-pro's talking recently and every single one of them say that Scholes is England's best player. So why leave your best player on the bench? He's a midfielder that gets goals (usually). There has been no outcry of 'drop Owen' in the press, since he hadn't scored since September until last night (and that's the 'best' striker England has to offer) like there has been over Scholes.

To avoid going into the now tiresome debate over Scholes or Lampard I'd pick Scholes if we insist on a 2 man striker force. If it were my decision however I'd still drop Owen or Rooney in favour of accomodating Scholes and Lampard in the midfield. Scholes can operate as a support striker or attacking midfielder you see.

So the left. Out of the midfielders I've picked 4 have any real experience in wide positions, Beckham, Phil Neville, Gerrard and Scholes. Beckham's down the right, and Phil Neville's the holding midfielder (no use putting your holding midfielder on the left now). So it's Gerrard or Scholes. Gerrard's a bit more versatile in this deparment I think, he's put in impressive displays down the left for England and I've seen him do it for Liverpool as when when required so I'd give him the spot and Scholes is the most advance midfielder with Lampard providing a roaming link in the middle at long distance shooting range and support for Phil Neville.
 

garlei

Senior Squad
Agreed. Owen is too small to play lone striker. It'll be very hard for him to head balls to oncoming team members, or keeping the ball until they arrive. Owen relies on pace. He needs a second striker to provide for him.

Phil Neville unfortunately won't start for England. It seems like Sven will pick Butt ahead of Phil. While Phil has not played in the holding role in international football, he has been picked over Butt in United at the beginning of the season. But that also have to do with the fact that a DMF Roy Keane is right next to him.

England should use Phil Neville should we want to contain one specific player and mark him out of the game. Phil can play zonal defence (his strength) but also man-marking defence.

I would really like to see Phil getting some play time in England. I want to see if he can play in the holding role and manage himself without Roy Keane next to him. Phil has potential in the holding role. He is a good athlete with quick reflexes and has always been the best in stamina in training every single year in United. Euro 2000 was a little blemish that should be forgotten
 

monkee

Senior Squad
Originally posted by garlei
Agreed. Owen is too small to play lone striker. It'll be very hard for him to head balls to oncoming team members, or keeping the ball until they arrive. Owen relies on pace. He needs a second striker to provide for him.
I agree with that at the moment. I think you probably do need someone who is able to hold the ball up for a 5 man midfield, and neither Owen nor Rooney really do that. It's probably too soon to change formation with the European Championships looming, so in that case it's bye-bye Lampard for me, and we'll just have to see if Rooney and Owen will be good enough up front.
 

birminghamfan2

Senior Squad
Originally posted by Dazmania
i think that we should play 5 midfielders with owen up front on his own:


---------------James-----------------

Gaz-------Sol-------Terry----A Cole-


-------------Butt/Phil Nev-----------


Beckham------Gerrard----Dyer/Scholes

----------Scholes/Lampard---------

------------------Owen----------------

I'd either play Dyer on the left and Scholes AM or Scholes on the left and Lampard AM.




my thoughts exactly;) :)
 

TOON ARMY

Starting XI
We're going to have to go back to basics, a flat midfield with no ******* diamond.

Good old solid traditional 4-4-2, never done us any harm before, why change it now for a ******* diamond!

Wake up Sven, diamonds do not work for England
 

Payaah

Starting XI
Originally posted by monkee
I think Rooney is fairly good but whether he's worthy of his England place based on performances this season I'm not really sure.

The question maybe should be can Rooney and Owen play together? For my money it would be can Owen form a partnership with any other striker? I don't think he can.

As for the team I'd go with

--------------------James--------------------
-G Neville----Terry----Campbell--Cole-
-----------------P Neville---------------------
--Becks----------------------/\----Gerrard--
--------------------------Lampard------------
-----------Scholes----------------------------
-----------------------Owen------------------

--------------------James--------------------
-G Neville----Terry----Campbell--Cole-
-----------------Gerrard---------------------
--Becks------------------------------Dyer--
--------------------------Lampard------------
-----------Scholes----------------------------
-----------------------Owen------------------

I saw this from Phil's limeup in another thread, I personal think this is the best lineup.
 

Will

Senior Squad
Originally posted by TOON ARMY
We're going to have to go back to basics, a flat midfield with no ******* diamond.

Good old solid traditional 4-4-2, never done us any harm before, why change it now for a ******* diamond!

Wake up Sven, diamonds do not work for England


True, why can't sven just wake up and realise the diamond isn't working.

I think Rooney is probably good enough to start as long as he has got good support. My line up would be:


.................James.................

......G.Neville.......Campbell.....Terry.....A.Cole.......

...Beckham.......Scholes..........Gerrard.......Lampard...

..................Owen..............Rooney......................
 

Bobby

The Legend
--------------------James-------------------

--Johnson---Terry---Campbell---Cole--

-Beckham--Gerrard--Lampard--Bridge-

--------------Stead-----Beattie------------


Rooney wouldn't even be my 4th choice.
 

TOON ARMY

Starting XI
Originally posted by Champions!!!
True, why can't sven just wake up and realise the diamond isn't working.

I think Rooney is probably good enough to start as long as he has got good support. My line up would be:


.................James.................

......G.Neville.......Campbell.....Terry.....A.Cole.......

...Beckham.......Scholes..........Gerrard.......Lampard...

..................Owen..............Rooney......................


The only think i would do that formation would be to replace Scholes with Dyer and then put Dyer on the left for some extra pace on the counter-attack
 


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