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Improvements For PES 2003

JonnyDp

Youth Team
  • No Scripted Runs - I know my defender isn't going to get to the ball before the attacker or before the ball goes out, so let me move them into a covering position
  • Expand the number of leagues you can play, particularly at a national level.
  • Try new methods of the long pass - even if it's just an option to use instead current one.
  • More control of the power of Goal Kicks - I don't always want the goalie to hit it as hard as they can.
  • Better options at throw-ins or at least a chance not to have to throw to the player with the opposition guy up his ass.
  • And obvious one - BETTER COMMENTARY
 

MisterX_K

Reserve Team
EUROPEAN LEAGUES
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CHAMPIONS LEAGUE, UEFA CUP
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CREATION CENTRE LIKE IN FIFA 2002
(create new players,teams, leagues)

any here's another idea that recently came to my mind while playing PES:
what about special shots (realistic shots of course, no extra speed, no fire behind the ball or something, you know what i'm saying) that only star players can pull off SOMETIMES (maybe randomly determined by the CPU or by the player himself). lets say Figo has the ball at the right edge of the penalty box and you order him to shoot.
but instead of the power bar that then normally comes up a special shot to the top left corner of the goal is quickly pulled off by Figo with a real impressively CURLED flight path like a realistic banana shot. it doesnt have to go in everytime!
you certainly know the type of shot i mean dont you?
of course like i said, the shot has to look realistically!
maybe there are other things like special passes, dribblings etc. that only CERTAIN STAR PLAYERS CAN PULL OFF.
this would in my opinion DRASTICALLY improve the game because you will always be excited to play with certain players like Zidane, Batistuta, Figo, Raul, Beckham, Davids, Okocha etc. that can do moves no one else can do!
your opinion please...
 

bulldrig

Youth Team
- more teams, leagues,cups! ( chompiens cup, International cup, pramier league, Serie BA, :) ) cup...doesnt really matters if its licensed or not ;). But just let us be able to edit!! player/team names,skills, etc

- better controll, more analoge!
instead of making 3 sprint speeds you could really make the controll analouge like in GTA 3 for example. The further you press the analouge the faster he runs, and the other way around.
(one speed buttom is enough)
AT least make far more directions!!!

-Crossing is pure **** in PES, you have to stand in the direction you cross, and you can only cross in 8 direction!

-Teams mentally goes down to well when forvads start missing.

-more realistic goalkeeper, keepers position sense is far to good sometimes, have you ever managed to pull it though his legs??, and it would be nice if the keeper went out alittle bit more so you could try to lob, silly Barthez form ahalf th pitch.

-Am tired of McMannaman, Raul etc robbing the ball from me making a 50 m run....Some players doesnt and cant defend KCET!

-PLease remove the scripted runs or at least make it possible to press R2 so you can controll him your self.


thats all for now.....
 

l.cardon

Club Supporter
Other things...

Alright with your toughts, but what about a more improved home/away feeling? It will be nice to feel more in game pressure/difficult (with also different crowd "comments" and sounds, why not?) when playing away... Imagine if when u have possession or when you make a foul away the crowd will whistle at you, and maybe your team will be affected by that... I'm dreaming eh? Ok, btw, I'm with you for the R2 defense-run-control...

Cheers!
 

arthur

Youth Team
1) Career mode - proper season where you take part in a proper league structre (with 4 divisions with promotion and relegation) and also have the FA Cup, Worthington Cup and European competitions running concurrently. This is my number 1 desire fro PES.

2) Following on from that, have some stadiums from lower division grounds with smaller capacities. Division 3 teams should play in sheds and so if you are a div 3 team and get drawn against a Premiership team in the FA Cup, you get the chance to play in the nice big stadium.

Also, why does every game have to be a full house? How about some 3000 crowds. With crowd effects to match.

3) More obvious home and away crowd reactions. So, if you're playing away and winning, the home crowd start booing, etc...crowds which react to the circumstances more realistically.

4) Proper editor to allow you to edit damn near everything - league structures, team names, strips, player names and stats, etc.

5) Some better weather effects including wind which blows the ball, snow, fog.

6) Pitches which deteriorate as the season goes by.

7) OK, some gameplay issues.....flexible free-kicks - in PES, when within 35 yards, your own decent option is usally to shoot. How about customisable routines where you can have 2 or 3 guys around the ball and do lay-offs, dummy runs, etc.

Also, the ablility to pass in 360 degrees at free kicks. And also, none of this rubbish where you sometimes find that you have nobody within 30 yards to pass to. I always want to have at least one other player within a coupl eof yards so at least I have the option to simply keep possession with a simple little pass.

8) More curl on the ball. Shots and passes always seem to go in a straight line, In reality, many players get a lot of curl on the ball. Long passes with the inside of the foot often curl quite significantly, even with crap players like Robbie Savage. The curl in PES is barely noticeable and the players that are able to curl it, like Beckham , only seem to do it at free-kicks.

Powerful shots from 25 yards, when struck sweetly with the outside of the foot should be able to curl away fiecely into the top corner.

Obviosuly, I'm not talking about FIFA arcade rubbish but something realistic.

9) Yup, those scripted routines really get on my goat. Let me control my players all of the time.

10) More realistic "form" or "status" rating for players. The arrows beside the player to indicate their "form" are randomly generated every match (I know this because if you are say playing a Master League match, you may notice that Owen has a yellow up arrow. You then quit that match and reload the master league at the same point and suddenly Owen has a white down arrow).

So, the status does not reflect anything within the game, like if the team are on a good run and confidence is high, players arrows don't necessarily go up. Likewise if a striker is in a rich vein of form and scoring lots of goals, you may think his status would go up.

Or perhaps if the arrows related to the players physical condition - you play him too many games and he gradually gets tired and so his status goes down.

But unfortunatley, in PES it is a purely random thing.

12) Include far more international sides. Let's have the minnows like San Marino and all the missing mid-ranked teams (Bosnia, Georgia, the African nations, etc). Or, going back to the editor thing, let us create our own teams with editable strips and let us set how good each of these teams are.

13) Realistic team weightings...why do Japan or S Korea always seem to get to the World Cup Final when I play an International Cup?
 

bulldrig

Youth Team
Originally posted by arthur


Powerful shots from 25 yards, when struck sweetly with the outside of the foot should be able to curl away fiecely into the top corner.


Man, i dont knw why u keep on complaining about this.....

Yes, it is possible to shoot those shoots, such as the one Seedorf when playing at Real Madrid.

Not with that kind of curl no!, but with that power it is very much possible.


The only problem is the fact that the goalkeepers positioning isnt verey realistic :(

But dont complain that shooting is unrealistic in terms of power, try someone with shoot power 95 or something and u will very much feel the difference.
 

MisterX_K

Reserve Team
aight, arthur i REALLY LIKE YOUR IDEAS!
and I AM ALSO DREAMING EVERY DAMN NITE (lol) of EUROPEAN leagues and that editor and everything!

as you also want curl on the shots you may agree with my idea of star players doing some 'realistically but noticabely curled special shots in the top corner'.
personally i'd like to see only star players doing that because if every ordinary player could do these shots it would get boring quickly.

also i want LOUD crowd reaction/screaming if the home team approaches the opposition goal area (15 metres behind middle circle) and not so loud crowd reaction if the away team does the same. naturally even louder crowd reaction if there is a 1on1 or penalty kick.
also the crowd should applaud if a home team player tries an early, dangerous shot from 25-30m but misses only by inches.
YEA, crowd should BOO if away team scores or wins the game and vice versa LOUDLY applaud if home team wins.

high trough balls and long passes from great players like Zidane or Beckham must be even more accurately played in open space and thus be more effective so that sometimes chances are that your winger/centre forward can make a run and do a cross or something.

the game DEFINITELY needs more CONTROL DIRECTIONS.
 

arthur

Youth Team
Originally posted by bulldrig



Man, i dont knw why u keep on complaining about this.....

Yes, it is possible to shoot those shoots, such as the one Seedorf when playing at Real Madrid.

Not with that kind of curl no!, but with that power it is very much possible.


The only problem is the fact that the goalkeepers positioning isnt verey realistic :(

But dont complain that shooting is unrealistic in terms of power, try someone with shoot power 95 or something and u will very much feel the difference.


Pardon me? I have never mentioned this before. And my point was not about how powerful a shot is, it is purely about the fact that the ball never seems to curl whereas in real ife, the ball curls plenty.

PES does have some situations where there appears to be spin on the ball - such as when the goalie saves a shot by parrying it to the side and sometimes the ball spins backwards out of play.

But in real life, the spin is imparted onto the ball on many occassions throughout a match. A good shoot from a skilled player(well, in real life even I can do this) with the outside of his boot should curl away quite significantly. In PES, I don't notice this happening.
 

arthur

Youth Team
Good point Mister_X - I knew there was something important that I couldn't remember - proper analogue control.

OK, PES does allow you to use the analogue controller, but it still on works in 8 directions, so it's still basically digital control - this is pretty poor for what is supposed to be the best footy game available.

Also, the analogue stick for passing is a great idea but just doesn't work properly in PES - it needs fine-tuning bey the developers. Better still, make the buttons work in analogue. Somebody said they already did work in analogue but I certainly don't notice this.

And yes, I certainly don;t want to see FIFA like shooting where every player can shoot from 45 yards and curl a rocket into the top corner. But whilst real-life footy has the ball curling all over the place, including sliced shots which curl away and end up hitting the corner flag, PES has everying going in straight lines.

Also, how about clumsy defenders trying to clear the ball on the volley and slicing it straight up in the air resulting in panic in the penalty box.

I must admit that I play PES with the commentary off and so I really listen to the crowd noise and they are superb - very good, and atmospheric. But there's no obvious sign of home and away fans. Some games you should play away(say Enland go to play in Romania) where you maybe have only 300away fans and so if you score, the home fans should go suddenly very quiet - all you here is the odd jeer and boo from the home fans and a distant cheering from your 300 fans.

The thing is, all the things we ask for on this thread are not hard to include really. The hard work has been done in making great gameplay. If KCET just tidy up a fsnags and add some more aspects and then give us all the extra sounds, leagues, options, etc, just think how many people would buy it. FIFA only survives on the strength of it's licenses. If PES allowed us to create our own leagues and teams, then FIFA's one advantage would be gone.
 

Matthiasvdb

Youth Team
Originally posted by bulldrig

-Crossing is pure **** in PES, you have to stand in the direction you cross, and you can only cross in 8 direction!

this isn't true , you should practice even more !
If you're really good , as me :D , you can have almost perfect control on the crosses and long kicks
 

MisterX_K

Reserve Team
arthur, you are damn rite with FIFA's only fu/kkin advantage. believe me, KCET WILL INCLUDE leagues and everything soon cuz they know they cant defend the 'championship' if they dont do it cuz FIFA & THIS IS FOOTBALL WILL GET BETTER TOO! maybe only TIF anyway ;)

matthiasvdb, you rite too!
i can place crosses and long passes quite accurately as well.

bulldrig, maybe u dint know you can cross with L1+O that results in a cross from ANYWHERE straite to the penalty spot.
 

bulldrig

Youth Team
Originally posted by Matthiasvdb


this isn't true , you should practice even more !
If you're really good , as me :D , you can have almost perfect control on the crosses and long kicks



.....?

what sort of crossing setting do you use? 1,2,3 etc..?

How can you say its good when you only can cross in the direction the player is standing ( simply the ****ing retard player can only cross forvad, and have to turn his clumsy self in the direction I want to cross)

Its clumsy as hell to me....and dont remind me bout only 8 directions!!!!

Any way i can cross fine over the pitch between my wingbacks wich works fine, but thats about it.

Crossing is clumsy you cant deny that.
 

bulldrig

Youth Team
Originally posted by MisterX_K

bulldrig, maybe u dint know you can cross with L1+O that results in a cross from ANYWHERE straite to the penalty spot.

yes i know that.....But I am not talking about crossing into penalty area you know.

Those crosses works fine to me, maybe a little bit to automatic but still verey good.
 

Neutral LFC

Senior Squad
Re: Improvements For PES 2003

Originally posted by JonnyDp
  • No Scripted Runs - I know my defender isn't going to get to the ball before the attacker or before the ball goes out, so let me move them into a covering position

See my other thread. If you move your defender in the way all the time, then slow but smart defenders are useless - then it's all about athleticism, put Michael Owen on defence and he'll be brilliant. Though about defenders not chasing those lost causes you're dead on.

Originally posted by arthur
Also, how about clumsy defenders trying to clear the ball on the volley and slicing it straight up in the air resulting in panic in the penalty box.

A friend of mine mentioned this last week, but how would this work for the user - I mean, I can take the CPU restricting my runs, but most can't - if you randomly have the ball slicing up in the air every once in a while people would throw their PS2's out the window.

I'd add my gameplay ideas but most have been covered here. #1 for me would be adding curl, arthur's hit the nail on the head that most of the shooting in PES (save free kicks and shots when you're perpendicular to the ball ie running parallel to the 18 yard box) has little curl. I don't want Kick Off or SWOS degree of curling, but a little would be nice (on all kinds of passing/shooting) and of course making the amount of curl player dependant.
 

DryHeat

Club Supporter
:::::::::::::Small Improvements
As soon as youn press R2 you will get control of the player.

Real Weather conditions:
It may start raining and stop.
The game may start in the sunshine but end up cloudy.
It can rain light to hard.
Wind conditons


Real Time:
If you start the game in the afternoon it will get darker.
Stadium lights for all stadiums. Some of the stadiums are too dark.


Formations:
Seperate formations for corners .
This will allow me to place my tall striker at the front post.

Any formation should be allowed
If I want a 2-3-5 or 2-4-4 I should be able to choose it.


Free Kicks:
Defending teams should be able to
move wall back and forwards.
add remove players from wall.

Referees, Linesmen:
These should be in the game to make it more realistic.
If the referee is far away from play the ref may not see the foul.
Offsides are dependent on where the linesmen are.

Fouls:
Professional foul should be included.

Transfers:
Teams can have as many players as they want, just as long as they can pay for them.
Computer transfers should be based on improving the team, so eventually the computer teams get better and better players.




:::::::::::Big Improvements
Season editor. If konami cannot pay for teams, we should be able to make our own teams, kits, competitions.

Football chant site:
Why don't konami set up a football chant site so people can send in chants from there own team. The chants could then be put into the next release of PES.

Stadium Editor:
Konami could set up a site where people can send in there own stadiums, and the best ones could be placed in the next PES.

Hard Drive:
If konami make hard a drive version, then the chants, stadiums and season editors could be downloaded from there site.
 

arthur

Youth Team
Re: Re: Improvements For PES 2003

Defenders slicing the ball:

Originally posted by Neutral LFC


- if you randomly have the ball slicing up in the air every once in a while people would throw their PS2's out the window.

I'm surprised that you, of all people, would post this, given your post about wanting the CPU to take over.

The sliced clearance would depend upon the obvious things - the angle and speed that the ball comes down at, the time and space that the defender has, the skill of the defender, the timing of the human player's press of the button. It shouldn't be random but depedant upon the circumstances, as in real life.

The CPU is happy enough to have your strikers hopelessly misplace a rushed shot 20 yards past the post and over the bar and most PES fans wax lyrical about how great and realistic this feature is....not every shot is a rasping corker in to he top corner. Fine.

But it seems to me that every defender in PES is able to hit a perfectly sound clearance no matter how unlikely. And as often as not, if your defender is facing back towards is own goal near the goal-line and is being pressurised by an opposition attacker, you simply press [] and he manages to hit a clean strike down towards the middle of the pitch without turning his body. In fact, when the AI team do this, this exceedingly skillful manoeuvre often turns out to be a perfectly placed pass direct to a striker waiting in the centre circle.

What I'm saying is that at times, the defenders will produce unrealistic levels of skill whereas the attackers, who generally have much better stats for control, accuracy, etc will often hit a bad shot.

I wouldn't want every volleyed clearance to be mi**** but some should be if the circumstances indicate that it should.
 

Neutral LFC

Senior Squad
Re: Re: Re: Improvements For PES 2003

Originally posted by arthur
Defenders slicing the ball:



I'm surprised that you, of all people, would post this, given your post about wanting the CPU to take over.

Well I wasn't referring to me, I was referring to those who can't handle the thought of the CPU taking control of your players every once in a while.

You make a good point regarding the lack of mistakes by the CPU defenders though they do still often rush their clearances by the touchline and give up throw-ins every once in a while though this isn't a mis-kick as you rightly described it.
 

Matthiasvdb

Youth Team
Originally posted by bulldrig




.....?

what sort of crossing setting do you use? 1,2,3 etc..?

How can you say its good when you only can cross in the direction the player is standing ( simply the ****ing retard player can only cross forvad, and have to turn his clumsy self in the direction I want to cross)

Its clumsy as hell to me....and dont remind me bout only 8 directions!!!!

Any way i can cross fine over the pitch between my wingbacks wich works fine, but thats about it.

Crossing is clumsy you cant deny that.

I am still playing ISSPE 2 , don't have those crossing settings ,

but I can tell you , my crossing to another FREE player is quite good. With special attention to the word FREE .
If you're complainting about you long kicks ,even if they are good , get intercepted by the cpu , well ....... he wasn't placed free
 

Carver

Youth Team
I only wish they improve the graphis a LOT by changing the current 3D models. And they should also make the players more detailed. It seems to me that only 200 players are actually know by the developers. If they can change this for the third version and the game finally feels like true Calcio, it will be better than FIFA and I will definitely buy it ASAP.;)
 


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