I fear MSI if what the BBC reports are true.

[Dreath]

BBC released the details of the transfers for Tevez and Mascherano. Basically, West Ham pay a nominal fee, both players have £35 million release clauses that can be activated from January onwards. If the £35 million bid is made, and the transfer goes through West Ham get no money, besides the minimal fee they paid for them. All money goes to MSI. So MSI are basically owners of the players, no club owns them. IMO this is a terrible thing. I've always hated agents, and now they're getting stupidly powerful. Clubs should have the final say in what happens, and maybe players have some say, but agents should have no say whatsoever. I'd even go as far as removing all non-F.A. agents.

MSI do not care about football, not in the slightest, they would not of sent Tevez ad Masch to West Ham if they didn't think they could get mnoey out of it. Football has been a buisness since the Premiership has started, but now it's going too far. This has to be stoppeed, it was bad enough that we have one or two sugar daddies dominating the football market, but I could live with that, but sooner or later we will have a league where all 20 clubs are owned by billionaires, and we'll have a merry-go-round of managers in every club with each one expecting success.

If the BBc reports aren't true, then I'll take it back. And i'll get accused of double standards of course, "If they signed for Arsenal etc.", but I really don't think any fan should like the sound of agents becoming more powerful than clubs.

 

[Ebonix]

Me and a couple of friends have been thinking up the same sort of idea. We thought that the only way that West ham would of got these two is if they would of agreed to some sort of Next Sale clause. I can imagine that teams like Chelsea & Man Utd wouldn't of agreed to such a clause.

 

[Stotty]

I imagine they would want a huge fee from teams such as Chelsea and Manchester United.

 

[Tom]

i think its good for the players, MSI, West Ham, everyone.

BUT, i think its terrible for football. As you said, its just more power to the agents.

Salary Cap 4tw!

 

[MikeyM]

I agree with you,

I fear for football in the long term if people like Abramovich or MSI are allowed to dominate like this. From overriding contracts (Obi Mikel) to this Mascherano/Tevez deal to clubs just buying ludicrous numbers of players, just so opposing clubs cannot buy them (Chelsea). The rich will just get richer and the others will struggle to catch up.

I firmly believe that the Premiership will be dominated by Chelsea for not only the next few years, but beyond. There won't be a "cycle" this time as there was with Liverpool and United's domination. Chelsea can afford to pay any money to any team for any player and so they can just build team after team after team after team.

In addition these "superclubs" seem to be above the laws of the game, Chelsea went behind Arsenal's backs to instigate and unsettle Ashley Cole and they escaped. Then they sign a player, registered officially to another club (Obi Mikel was pictured signing for United - he even wore the damn shirt)

And now we have this weird Mascherano / Tevez thing.


I think that FIFA, and the domestic authorities need to draw up new guidelines and legislation that can somewhat level the playing field, and give some power back to the majority of clubs that don't have billionairres bankrolling them. Including;

Harsh penalties (deductions of points etc) for making contact (tapping up) players without consent of club first.

All players to be registered with clubs and not individuals (Tevez, Mascherano etc) All transfers to be ratified and certified with the FA / FIFA. To prevent any Obi Mikel repeats.


Clubs to have fixed first team squad allowances (say, 30 players) but be allowed to promote youth academy players in addition, but not buy any further players over the 30. This will prevent teams just buying players to block other clubs.

Any fit players (that is eligable to play) that have not featured in a certain percentage of the club's games over a set period (say two/three seasons - not including loans) will be automatically entitled to leave for a set fee. For example if Joey Bloggs signed for Harchester United on a four year deal, but whilst fit, did not feature in say 10% of Harchester's first team games over 3 seasons would be allowed to leave if a bid of £xM came in, and the club would have to release him. This I feel will prevent players having to struggle and being stuck on the bench - and allow them to make a clean break it also allows younger players to break through and fill gaps left.

All merchandise sales to include a percentage that will be fed into a "football fund" held by each league - and then distributed equally throughout the teams in that League. For example if you paid £50 for a Manchester United shirt, United would recieve 70% with 30% being added to the "football fund". This 30% (minus tax) could then trickle down and help each smaller club too. I believe this business model is used for the NFL American Football league.


Also I wonder if transfer budgets and salary caps could be imposed. Based on a percentage of revenue and annual turnover. So the big clubs would still have more money, but the gap would be less. Plus a set budget of investment could be added to that - so the likes of Roman Abramovich could still put money into the team but up to a limit (again based on means tested statistics) This would allow Chelsea or Barcelona to still have more money, but would prevent the "bottomless pit" philosophy that they theoretically can employ, hopefully bridging somewhat the gap between rich and poor and hopefully, bringing more competitive leagues.


Something needs to be done as there is far too much money in football, and clubs are going to start folding more and more, the worse it gets.


Mike

 

[Socrates]

Interesting, so is West Ham paying for their contracts? If everything is true I would guess that they are not?

 

[LuckyStrike]

The real problem is that the FA (and similar organizations across Europ) are so weak compared to the most powerful clubs in their respective leagues. Unfortunatly only FIFA seems to have any real power, and that comes at the cost of punishing an entire country for the actions of one club.

 

[Dreath]

Interesting, so is West Ham paying for their contracts? If everything is true I would guess that they are not?

They're paying their wages, it's tiny like 20k each (tiny heh), and they play for West Ham.

 

[Socrates]

They're paying their wages, it's tiny like 20k each (tiny heh), and they play for West Ham.

Well at least its not alot but if both get sold for a huge amount it will be kind of a bad deal from a buisness point of view unless they win West Ham some silverware/help market their clubs. I was under the impression that West Ham were more or less taking care of these players untill they are bought for a huge amount which will go to MSI and not the club therefor I thought MSI would take care of them ( Tevez and Masch )

 

[Dan the monkey]

If Chelsea don't win the Champions League next year, Roman will get bored and leave.

 

[Lean]

BBC released the details of the transfers for Tevez and Mascherano. Basically, West Ham pay a nominal fee, both players have £35 million release clauses that can be activated from January onwards. If the £35 million bid is made, and the transfer goes through West Ham get no money, besides the minimal fee they paid for them. All money goes to MSI. So MSI are basically owners of the players, no club owns them. IMO this is a terrible thing.

It seems true, people of the press here in Brazil say the same thing. Corinthians is not making much of a profit with their sales aswell. MSI buys the players for you, but they can take it off you when they fell like it. Also, Tevez quite often would leave the squad, then when the coach complained he would say "Joorabchian let me". And the club president Dualib would have no say in it.

 

[Bobby]

Isn't Corintians in huge debt?

 

[dipset]

If Chelsea don't win the Champions League next year, Roman will get bored and leave.

mmm i dunno man, ROman is determined to make Chelsea a powerhouse (in EUrope as well) so if they dont win CL he'll be me more determined , i mean hes a class business man, and we all know no person with that kinda money didnt quit without reaching their goal. So he has a passion with Chelsea and wants to make Chelsea a power after that we still dont know, cuz managing a sports teams is great for someone until they get very old, i mean not alot of work is done, really he just gives up money and in the other direction ur gonna make money, Chelsea have said they will regain all the money they spent in like 2015 , thats if everything goes according to plan (marketing, sales, more capacityu at the bridge etc. )

 

[Tom]

**** loads of debt from what ive read Bobby, **** loads.

Great articles on BBCi by the way, one where it explains the whole thing... cant remember the link

 

[Virgo]

Dreath is just bitter.

Deals like this have been done all over the world for years.

 

[CarlosDanger]

This would allow Chelsea or Barcelona to still have more money, but would prevent the "bottomless pit" philosophy that they theoretically can employ, hopefully bridging somewhat the gap between rich and poor and hopefully, bringing more competitive leagues.

Mike

Barca just came out of a huge financial crisis and managed to get things back under control by spending wisely and well, not throwing money around indiscriminately.

I think what you say has merit, but it won't happen. A salary cap and revenue sharing would have to be installed by UEFA or FIFA, not by the individual FAs as the players would just leave to play somewhere else.

I just don't think it would be viable in Football. The scope is too big and the cross-border difficulties would make it too much to handle.

 

[TOON ARMY]

MSI are in the very early stages of takeover discussions with West Ham.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/5306356.stm

 

[Kibe Kru]

Corinthians' problems are more about their directors than about the MSI partnership. Before MSI, Corinthians had partnerships with a bank (Excel-Economico) and an American company (HMTF). Neither worked on long term, because as soon as a title was won, or some money got in the club's account, the directors would kick the partner's arse away, and somehow get away with it because the investors were not football-related.

MSI was different. In Joorabchian they have a man who likes football and knows how it works. Also, the supporters like him a lot, as he's quite a charismatic person.

I don't think West Ham fans should be worried, as long as there's a clear hierarchy in the club. If Joorabchian says a player can go home and his coach doesn't want that, what would the players do? What Lean mentioned is true. Too often Tevez would go to Argentina and then tell the club that "Kia let him".

 

[pede54]

Hilarious how Man U fans NOW feel that the richer clubs need to be harnessed. Now they are not the "big cheese" any more. You wouldn't have heard a manc say that a few years ago.

I do agree though that the MSI situation is very disturbing. Its one thing to buy players, discuss terms and have them in the team,but it seems that MSI do not only OWN the players contracts, they also dictate to the players where they will play and tell them how much they will earn. Did Tevez and Mascherano have a say in which club they would like to play for? I get the feeling that they just had to do as they were told. Usually the agents work for, and are paid, by the players. Now we see the players working for MSI and I just feel that this is a bit sinister somehow. I dont really understand the implications of a company like this operating inside football as yet, so although the whole MSI thing is strange, maybe its just the unknown that we find unsettling. I've gotta do some research on the whole MSI situation before I can make up my mind.

Mikey.....Top marks for your posts mate. One thing though, when bashing Chelsea get the facts right man. Chelsea were punished by the FA for the Ashley Cole saga. They recieved the heaviest fine ever given to any club in England ever. They also had points deducted, although that was suspended. That still hangs over the club.

Mikel?.......Dont even go there mate. You do not know the true story, I do not know the full story. Only Man U, Chelsea, Lyn Oslo and Mikel (plus one or two others) know what went on and nobody has said a word about it since its conclusion, and the truth on this one will not see the light of day for a long time yet.

Forget about all the bitching from all those clubs at the time. The loudest voice is not always the voice of truth. Its just the loudest voice.

 

[Lean]

Isn't Corintians in huge debt?

Yes, fact. MSI promised to clear the debts (or at least part of it) but i dont think they did. Actually, the partnership between Corinthians and MSI is crumbling.