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Gallipoli

Sukur54

Senior Squad
Do any of you know about Gallipoli war it was the biggest war of Turkish history. There were many countries involved in it.

It all started through the end of the 19th century Germany was the biggest power of the time and England and France was very worried about this.
As Germany took sides in the Austria Hungary vs Russia conflicts towards Austria and Hungary things started to heat up in Europe.
When the embassador of Austria Hungary was shot in Bosnia (i forget his name) Austria Hungary declared war on Serbia and WWI started.
As the Ottoman Empire who was weak and weary of the balkan wars took sides in this war with Germany because they were literally bankrupt and with the money of the people they bought two British warships Goeben and Bresleau and bombed Russian bays.


This war is probably the last romantic war of the world because this was the last war where manpower,courage, and feelings were put into a war so much because later on technology started to evolve and etc.

I want to show you guys some of the spine chilling stories i have heard about this war which was fought between these couragious countries.

There were 2 wars from the ground and a navy war which made it even a bigger tradegy.
Almost 250,000 Turkish soldiers died alone not including the and almost that much died from the Anzacks and British. WHen i hear stories about this story i get chills down my spine every time.

One of the stories i have heard was that theere would be so many dead soldiers that they would call truce for a while bury all their soldiers shake hands and start to fight again.

The Turks would throw cigarettes across to the Anzacks and the Anzacks would throw back canned meat that wrote on it "Bon apettite our honorable enemies."

It is said that 6000 bullets were used per square feet. Amazing.
In 1915 the University of Istanbul could not give any graduates because they were all lost in the war.
There is so much more that i can write about this war and all of its questions.
For example why the Australians landed on a rigid mountainous bay where they could not attack the enemy and therefore had to retreat? Or why the British underestimated the Turks so much.

Why did i write all this? Becuase i think some people should think twice, or three times before just hitting a button and going to war and this is one of the biggest examples of it. All these honorable soldiers lost for both sides really saddens me.
 

rhizome17

Fan Favourite
Yeah, Gallipoli figures large in the history of New Zealand and Australia - it is where the ANZAC identity was forged. Many of us are sure to go there if possible when overseas. And the loss of life at Gallipoli in particular is remembered on ANZAC day, which both nations commemorate.
 

Sukur54

Senior Squad
Originally posted by rhizome17
Yeah, Gallipoli figures large in the history of New Zealand and Australia - it is where the ANZAC identity was forged. Many of us are sure to go there if possible when overseas. And the loss of life at Gallipoli in particular is remembered on ANZAC day, which both nations commemorate.


that place is history and everything that happened there should be a lesson to us all. if you ever go there you will definetly feel the chills down your spine thinking of how many men had died under your feet. they say even to today if u dig couple of meters down u can find bones very easily.
even though i belive the anzacks were lead to a loss wit wrong strageties they are still heroes as Mustafa Kemal Ataturk says.
 

rhizome17

Fan Favourite
Yeah, they are pretty much considered heros in this part of the world also. Basically, they were men sent to fight someone elses war - they went there as subjects of ENgland, but came back as Australians and New Zealanders - they were little more that cannon fodder for the British but despite being up against it they held their own.

I think there is only one NZ'er left who fought there.
 

Sukur54

Senior Squad
i think there is some of both but mostly NZ. Yes they did come to fight someone elses war but also the fact that englans attacked the ottoman empire "for show" then decided to take it over is also so sickening. maybe though none of this would have happned if the ottomans didnt get involved with germany but then again england would have sent russia from the other side...which they did later on.
 

Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
I plan to pay my respect when I am older and fly to Turkey for that day that will always live in Australian History.
 

Alistair

Starting XI
Yeah, its a poignant (dunno how to spell) day in New Zealand and Australian history.. If i'm still doing history in about 2 years then I will go to Gallipoli with some fellow students and pay some respect to those who died for us...
 

TOON ARMY

Starting XI
Gallipoli was just pure waste of life.

The Allied generals greatly underestimated the Turks, the whole thing was a disastor and didn't acheive it's main aim which was to draw Germans away from the Western Front.
 

TOON ARMY

Starting XI
Originally posted by rhizome17
Yeah, they are pretty much considered heros in this part of the world also. Basically, they were men sent to fight someone elses war - they went there as subjects of ENgland, but came back as Australians and New Zealanders - they were little more that cannon fodder for the British but despite being up against it they held their own.

I think there is only one NZ'er left who fought there.

How were they fighting someone elses war? They were part of the Commonwealth which was under huge threat from the Central Powers! I'm sure at the time they didn't think they were fighting someone elses war.
 

rhizome17

Fan Favourite
Originally posted by TOON ARMY
How were they fighting someone elses war? They were part of the Commonwealth which was under huge threat from the Central Powers! I'm sure at the time they didn't think they were fighting someone elses war.

They didn't think it when they went there necessarily, but they sure as hell realised it once they were there and realised they were colonial cannon fodder for the brits.

ANd that is my whole point when I said about the ANZAC identity being forged there. For New Zealand, I can safely say that prior to the war many people clung to the apron strings of mother england, but the experience of gallipoli and the war in general showed them just how different they had become from their english forebears.

Just reading their memoirs shows how they left as little englishmen, but came back New Zealanders.

As for the commonwealth being under threat, well the closest New Zealand was geographically to the war was Samoa, which the Germans left a week before New Zealand troops arrived to secure it.
 

monkee

Senior Squad
I remember watching a film about it ages ago with a young Mel Gibson in it. It was quite a good film from what I recall.
 

Sukur54

Senior Squad
Originally posted by TOON ARMY
Gallipoli was just pure waste of life.

The Allied generals greatly underestimated the Turks, the whole thing was a disastor and didn't acheive it's main aim which was to draw Germans away from the Western Front.

the reason the turks were underestimated is quite normal because turkey was very very very weak and poor at the time when the ottoman empire was just out of a war and weak. but they won the war with their hearts and with the help of mustafa kemal ataturks smart strageties. and yes germany was not drawn away from the western front which was basically the main worry.
 

TOON ARMY

Starting XI
Originally posted by Sukur54
the reason the turks were underestimated is quite normal because turkey was very very very weak and poor at the time when the ottoman empire was just out of a war and weak. but they won the war with their hearts and with the help of mustafa kemal ataturks smart strageties. and yes germany was not drawn away from the western front which was basically the main worry.

No you were underestimated becuase the Generals and people in Government were racist :kader:
 
Originally posted by monkee
I remember watching a film about it ages ago with a young Mel Gibson in it. It was quite a good film from what I recall.

"Gallipoli" - Mel Gibson was about 20 and had an australian accent....... how times have changed :O
 

Larry

Fan Favourite
Yeah. It was a stupid fight because the turks were on the hill, so they could see all the boats come and just shoot them from their towers...

So many people died. At my school (and alistairs) we have a anzac memorial.
 

Andrew

Banned : [Racism]
Life Ban
Aight we do to Larry, Its on the 25th of August i think and at my primary School we always used to have this 1 minute silence thing and they planted a tree that was a seedling that someone got from Gallipoli. I think its a major part of Aussie and NZ historry and we wouldnt be here if it wasnt for The Anzacs:)
 

hermolt

Starting XI
Well, I'd say we would be here were it not for the ANZACs, however, with less of a sense of cultural identity..

The retreat is amazing, IIRC, they rigged all these booby traps and whatnot so guns would fire for a time after they'd left their trenches..not one single person died in the retreat.
 

zul-aid

Starting XI
Gallipoli (the film) was good

however Mel was putting that accent on. Mel classified himself Australian even though he wasnt born here, he grew up here from like 2 till he was 10 went back to USA then return to do Gallipoli because he could get work

Like allot of Aussie actors not many were born here

those who werent include Nicole Kidman (Hawaii) Heath Ledger, Nioami Watts, Frances McDormond (English) the list goes on

Gallipoli was a terrible war and it was someone elses war - no Australians were incharge to give orders the British were who were on another beach far away from the front and were using the ANZACS as detours for the british army
 


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