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Figuring out passing and shooting in WE8

Han

Senior Squad
I started a topic "something wrong with the high pass?" and there Dexter1989 suggested that the wrong foot of the player in question could have something to do with it.

That was my starting point when I entered the training mode.

After an hour of training I think this is a new passing method and no bug. Same for shooting, which part follows after passing.

PASSING:
I passed with the left-half to the right-half, crossing along the middle line just to see where the wrong passes occurs.
In short, I found out that ballcontrol (technique!) was the factor. When you let him pass when he is in the middle of controlling the ball, he passes in the direction he is looking at THAT moment..
You can overcome the problem by keeping the intended direction pressed until the ball left his foot This is no guarrantee, because when you hit O too early and the ball is way to difficult to control - even for a Zidane - you can't realisticly expect a good result.
Same goes for through-passes. The players passes the throughball in the direction he is looking. If he has no control, same as above, you can't expect a good throughpass.

SHOOTING/HEADING:
Everybody found out how difficult heading is.
Here too, one of the keys is the same as with long passing:
To keep the direction pressed until the header/shot is released.
I was puzzled why I headed so many balls over the goal in stead of in the goal. The answer is about three conditions:
(we take heading as example)
1. Play the pass just in front of the player rather than exactly on the head of him.
2. When heading, choose a corner and keep direction pressed until the ball left your player, so don't release shoot too early, because then it thinks you want to shoot from a neutral direction of the direction-pad. This kind of shots always go too high.
3. TIMING! When you press too early or too late, the ball will have no power or it "lobs" the ball on goal.
Shooting works about the same. People wonder how too shoot hard and low. One way always work: It should be a sprinting player who gets the (low) ball passed at about 4 virtual meters in front of him. Than press shoot shortly and you have a great shot.
Hitting shoot shortly keeps the ball low and the sprinting gives the power. Of course, here too, you should time to perfection.

That's what I found and that's what my conclusion is.
Good starting point for a discussion I guess ;)
 

MightyTic

Senior Squad
thanks for the info I can't wait to get my hands on PES4 PC & Xbox!


But one thing could I ask you , about passing the ball maybe even shooting?


" When you let him pass when he is in the middle of controlling the ball, he passes in the direction he is looking at THAT moment..

What do you mean by "In the middle of controlling the ball"? are you talking about lifting your foot to cushion a dropping ball and Or a ball bouncing up in front of you? maybe both!


Would I be right in saying that if a ball was dropping to you , you could not hit a 1st time volley'd pass/shot left or right , but only the way you are facing?
 

Han

Senior Squad
Good question :)
You should think of a player, receiving a high ball and just catches the ball with his chest. The ball has still not bounced on the ground.... like that!
I must say, volleying looks harder as well and everytime I wanted to volley, the player bends forward and heads the ball :confused:
I have not found a method for it yet. You CAN volley, but I only did it accidently sometimes....

Your last question:
Depends on the technique-attribute of the player, one player controls easier than another.
Generally,see it this way: A high ball is only a foot from you and you are about to chest it... as long as you did not chest it yet, the ball will be passed in the way the player looks. If he just chested the ball you can pass it where you want by keeping pressed the disered direction.
 

simakperrce

Reserve Team
Han said: "People wonder how too shoot hard and low. One way always work: It should be a sprinting player who gets the (low) ball passed at about 4 virtual meters in front of him. Than press shoot shortly and you have a great shot."

Do you mean "low" as in "staying on the ground" or is "low" meaning not higher than the goal.

Secondly, I guess this means that you still can't perform powerful shots when the player is *not* running, or not sprinting?
 

Han

Senior Squad
1. I mean low as in X-pass
2. It will still be possible to shoot medium powerfull, but not like when sprinting. This depends a lot of the shooting attributes, especially shooting power, of course. But not like in WE7IJ and before, where all players could shoot hard.
Like I said, more attribute-depending IMHO.
 

MasterM

Senior Squad
this also happened to me in we7, i think its a bug, because if you change the passing system to type 5 it doesnt occur anymore
 

Han

Senior Squad
Just for fun I recorded two shots in training-mode:
One high shot and one low shot.
It is to show what I described above.
You can find them at awax FTP:
ftp://sg-corner:[email protected]:5148/Lowshot_training.avi
ftp://sg-corner:[email protected]:5148/Highshot_training.avi

BTW MisterM, I don't know what you mean :confused:
 

simakperrce

Reserve Team
damn Han, these are cool... thank's for uploading

that low shot made my day... low and strong AND *curl*.... :rockman:

who was shooting there?

now how much of it do you think was under your control, and how much was by chance?
 

Han

Senior Squad
It was van der Vaart's shot and YES it was 100% under control... just compare with the other video (the high shot) it was passed from the same place and also shoot by an incoming midfielder (van Bommel) so very similar. Just to make my point that I was practicing these shots... I wanted to show what I wrote above, see :)
 

simakperrce

Reserve Team
:kader:

i am disappointed now... i thought you did calculate the curl so that the ball would hit the post on purpose only for your player to put it in -- all in order to mock the CPU...

tss. tss. tss...
 

MasterM

Senior Squad
Originally posted by Han
Just for fun I recorded two shots in training-mode:
One high shot and one low shot.
It is to show what I described above.
You can find them at awax FTP:
ftp://sg-corner:[email protected]:5148/Lowshot_training.avi
ftp://sg-corner:[email protected]:5148/Highshot_training.avi

BTW MisterM, I don't know what you mean :confused:

In we7 you could change in the button configuration menu the passing type. I dont know if this is still in we8, but when i changed it to type 5, the passing 'bug' never happend to me again.
Maybe even if you change it to type2, 3 or 4 it doesnt happen, but I didnt try that out.
 


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