FIFA Ballon d'Or 2013

[Mandieta6]

It still had nothing to do eith my post. I think you're replying to me saying that Zlatan's CL record is meaningless by saying that Ronaldo's scoring wasn't consistent, well, so what? It doesn't counter my point at all. Your point is clearly meant to someone in your imagination.

Alsi, gulf or no.gulf the gross.level.is higher in Spain so Zlatan plays against weaker players. And, the gulf is still lessened because Zlatan and Ronaldo are arguably at a similar level meaning the gulf between Zlatan and his opponents is greater than between Ronaldo and his.

 

[Xifio]

Zlatan is notorious for never scoring when it matters in the Champions League.

FYP ...

which brings us back to:

no matter the ridiculous things he has done and continues to do, as long as he doesn't win a Champions League, he's obviously an easy target for haters ...

Cristiano is a monster, and his Golden Ball came on the back of a Champions League medal ... but it's easy to forget that a Scholes screamer bailed him out when he missed a penalty in the semis versus Barça ... and it's easy to forget that JT's infamous slip when taking what would have been the winning penalty actually bailed Cristiano out, since he had missed his earlier ... Cristiano was his team's main protagonist that season, but he needed his teammates' help and an unbelievable slice of luck to not have a Champions League choker tag hanging around him ...

we'll see if Zlatan gets his slice of luck, and if his teammates can bail him out and rid him of it, while he carries them the rest of the time ...

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Superstars are judged on the Champions League and the World Cup. Domestic leagues, especially Ligue 1, are inconsequential on the global scale. The Premier League is perhaps the only exception because of the level of media coverage.

 

[Xifio]

It still had nothing to do eith my post. I think you're replying to me saying that Zlatan's CL record is meaningless by saying that Ronaldo's scoring wasn't consistent, well, so what? It doesn't counter my point at all. Your point is clearly meant to someone in your imagination.

either you have a very selective memory, or your hatred of myself and/or Zlatan is blinding you ... anyway, here's what I was referring to regarding consistent scoring:

Regarding his CL stats, most of his matches were against liwer-end teams, and thus equally bloated. Having good CL stas is impressive if you maintain them from the Group stages to the finals.

clearly it wasn't the case with Cristiano ... and it proves what I then said:

people won't care, and people won't harp on about him being a Champions League flop, and that's simply because of the things I mentioned in my original post ...

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Zlatan and Ronaldo are arguably at a similar level

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Superstars are judged on the Champions League and the World Cup. Domestic leagues, especially Ligue 1, are inconsequential on the global scale. The Premier League is perhaps the only exception because of the level of media coverage.

the Prem is hype ... Champions League and World Cup I agree ... Sweden (or Croatia or Bosnia) aren't going to win the World Cup ... and I brought up the fact that all this BS hatred from you is purely regarding media-influenced perception as opposed to facts:

listen, feel free to hate on him ... no matter the ridiculous things he has done and continues to do, as long as he doesn't win a Champions League, he's obviously an easy target for haters ...

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Yes, a well known fan of Bayern, team USA, and Germany, dismisses all players who don't win the Champions League and World Cup.

Zlatan detracts as much as he adds, that much is obvious. You can compare my feelings about him to my feelings about Suarez, who I consider to be a tremendous competitor who makes his team better. Suarez hasn't won anything of consequence and he has gotten much fewer (and more negative) media coverage than Zlatan, so your explanation of how I evaluate players looks awfully poor.

Or how about Arturo Vidal? What has he won? I'd rather have him than Zlatan. I can come up with probably 25-50 players that I just think are better for a team game than Ibrahimovic who have not won the CL or World cup.

 

[Xifio]

Yes, a well known fan of Bayern, team USA, and Germany, dismisses all players who don't win the Champions League and World Cup.

well, you don't rate Zidane, even though he won both, so that clearly isn't an assumption I'm making ...

Zlatan detracts as much as he adds, that much is obvious. You can compare my feelings about him to my feelings about Suarez, who I consider to be a tremendous competitor who makes his team better. Suarez hasn't won anything of consequence and he has gotten much fewer (and more negative) media coverage than Zlatan, so your explanation of how I evaluate players looks awfully poor.

Or how about Arturo Vidal? What has he won? I'd rather have him than Zlatan. I can come up with probably 25-50 players that I just think are better for a team game than Ibrahimovic who have not won the CL or World cup.

you rate Luisito because he now plays in the Prem ... and you rate Vidal coz he played in the Bundesliga ... you don't rate Zlatan because he played in Serie A and now plays for Calcio Central, and you hate Italy ...

 

[ShiftyPowers]

While I do despise Italy, I have always been a great admirer of Stevan Jovetic.

 

[Xifio]

wouldn't have been the case had he not put in a stellar performance against a German team called Bayern ... similar situation with Maggio, I think?

 

[Mandieta6]

either you have a very selective memory, or your hatred of myself and/or Zlatan is blinding you ... anyway, here's what I was referring to regarding consistent scoring:clearly it wasn't the case with Cristiano ... and it proves what I then said::

That's bacward logic. I said it would be impressive if soneone did, but neither of them did that so neither of them is impressive (for that reason).

I don't hate Zlatan at aall, he's an excellent player. But I don't live in his anus/nose like you do (just Lewy's). You're painting us as haters and using the 'haters gonna hate' line to avoid making valid.points. I can say (and do say) that you only back him because you.like how his nose feels in your colon but tbat isn't a valid refute of your arguments.

 

[WinCool]

Eh, this thread is good enough. Here's Gazzetta Dello Sport's team of the year. No Serie A players and only one (unwarranted) player from the Premier League.

Think they did a good job. The only inclusion I would argue with is Hazard.

total 11 - 8 from BUNDERLIGA- 1 from League 1 - 1 from Liga BBVA - 1 from Premier Leauge
wtf?

 

[ARIAGA II]

No lie, during the 2008 Champions League final when Ronaldo missed the penalty I thought he was gonna undergo a media assassination like the one LeBron received in 2010. He was by far the most dominant (probably even his most dominant) that season but if United lost that game his Balon D'or wouldn't have been so certain...never mind he scored in that final.

 

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[Arnau]

Eh, this thread is good enough. Here's Gazzetta Dello Sport's team of the year. No Serie A players and only one (unwarranted) player from the Premier League.

Think they did a good job. The only inclusion I would argue with is Hazard.

I'd change Hazard, Gundogan and Lewandowski for Busquets, Vidal and Messi.

 

[Xaviesta]

Yeah, Busquets should definitely be there.

 

[chygry]

What on earth are Xavi and Dani Alves doing there? Where are Schweinsteiger and Alaba? Not sure about Ramos being there either.

 

[Mus]

More Barca players than Bayern - despite Bayern winning the treble and dismantling Barca 7-0

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Xavi and Alves, are you fucking serious? That's a 2011 team, not a 2013 team. I personally don't think Schweinsteiger should be there, and I'd entertain arguments that Neuer shouldn't either. But Alaba is the consensus best LB in the world now.

Vidal belongs over Xavi, that much is obvious to everyone.

I'd also suggest that Suarez/Ribery/Robben belong over the oft injured Messi.

 

[Mus]

I like that there are no Dortmund players either

 

[Xaviesta]

Xavi Alves Ramos out, Busquets Alaba and maybe Hummels in.

 

[Dytza]

Alaba should be the LB, with Lahm on the right. Ramos and Xavi in the team is a joke.