fifa 2004

[kingcazza]

Originally posted by Iceflow
your kidding urself buddy. pes3 requires that you repetivly do button presses over and over until you figure out how it works. Fifa requires a good football brain something most pes3 player's dont have.

LOL, If u get beaten by new born baby then that just shows how crap your soccer brain is and contradics what u say about it being easy.

Sure anyone can pick it up and play , thats how games should be but the better soccer player always wins in FIFA not the players who are most familiar with how the controls work.

The reason for the high scores in FIFA is because when ur in the comfort of your living room you can go on the attack for the whole game without getting tired.

Im sure if both players decided to play defensivly you would see lower scores fool.

Hell, FIFA 2003 is better than PES3!

Your saying you should be able to pick and play which is fine but was zidane a class player as a baby.............no, he practised and became what he is today...........world class. Thats my point on pro evo, you need to practice. when you play fifa you need the brain of a retard to win, you need a football brain for pes3 to get anywhere. nuff said.

 

[Iceflow]

Originally posted by kingcazza
Your saying you should be able to pick and play which is fine but was zidane a class player as a baby.............no, he practised and became what he is today...........world class. Thats my point on pro evo, you need to practice. when you play fifa you need the brain of a retard to win, you need a football brain for pes3 to get anywhere. nuff said.

That just means that when your'e put on a level playing field you resort to calling people retards because YOU suck!

I have never been beaten by a retard or a new born baby and thats because I am better at soccer games than them. If you are getting beaten by peple like that then you have some serious co-ordination problems my friend

 

[pronewbie]

Tell me all the realistic points in FIFA including animation nets and stuff and a WE fan will tell you about WE's realism. It always works in the end... that FIFA has that many flaws... Look at the FIFA forum nowadays, it's filled with immatured pricks who whine non-stop. In the past, where many Euros and Americans didn't know about WE or PES, it used to be much more cheery in there.. even though the game sucked and we ended up talking about adboards faces boots and new pitch and nets designs.. And oh yeah, tutorials on how to crack the AI by playing a certain formation and dribbling in a certain way to score a sure goal. Those long enough in the FIFA forums will remember this. Point is, yes, FIFA has tried to progress - And it has, rapidly. BUT, that is only because it tried to emulate the WE series but knowing EA programmers, they still haven't got it right yet. If WE is such a sh!t game as you state it to be, why do the programmers keep ripping off WE? This is just the history of FIFA, now list u're REALISTIC points and we'll see which game wins, since you'd rather decay in the forums rather than go out and have fun or play that addictive FIFA game of yours

 

[Iceflow]

I couldn’t give a rats about realism cos quite frankly that’s what ruins games.

As long as the game is fun for everyone because that’s what gaming is all about not someone winning all the time because they powerplay the game.

FIFA allows a broader range of gamers to enjoy it and offers the player better control of passes and movement with its true 360 degree control unlike the quick tap passing of PES.

It takes more skill to place the ball somewhere using a power-meter and having full 360 deg. control of where the ball goes than to just tap the button and the ball automatically goes in front of a player or directly at him.

Realism is quite often not a positive aspect in gaming after all no-one is ever going to actually think they are on a soccer pitch for real its all about being able to have a fun, even contest against a broad range of people.

PES has gained a Elitist reputation because people think that they’re good because they can win against peple who don’t spend hours in front of a PC or console and because it has always been the underdog of soccer gaming.

I'll tell you right now PES / WE are the underdog for good reason, because it lacks playability and is frustrating. People play games to have fun not to be frustrated.

 

[md_32]

But don't all games strive to be as realistic as possible? EA Sports' motto is "If it's in the [real] game, it's in the [computer/console] game", but I suppose the playability of FIFA is better. So it's a choice, realism or playability. I chose realism, but then again I play CM as well.

 

[kingcazza]

Originally posted by Iceflow
That just means that when your'e put on a level playing field you resort to calling people retards because YOU suck!

I have never been beaten by a retard or a new born baby and thats because I am better at soccer games than them. If you are getting beaten by peple like that then you have some serious co-ordination problems my friend

Oh trust me, im the king at football games, not fifa coz i dont class it as a quality football game, like i said fifa is for retards teens and babys who can win 10-0 every game, not realistic really is it? pes is for true football gamers. Stick ur stinkin comments up ur batty!!
You say you never been beaten by a retard?..............thats coz you are one.

 

[soccerfan]

I honestly believe that Konami makes a better game in terms of gameplay. With my limited knowledge, the reasons for their amazing gameplay could be:

1. It is a game made solely for one particular platform until recently.
2. It does not have the great number of official teams that the fifa series have;which mean more research can be done on teams in the game in particular, style of playing etc.

Because of the above, the developers have all the time to focus on the gameplay. I believe at this point of time, there is no level playing ground to compare the two games. The only time a realistic comparison can be made is when Konami release a footie game for all gaming platforms like Fifa every 10 to 12 months without bugs and have all the teams that fifa have.

If their gameplay is better then, they are truly the king of footie game. However, many thanks to the ardent PES fans for showing us the light at the end of the tunnel. Ciao.

 

[rane]

Originally posted by Iceflow
I couldn’t give a rats about realism cos quite frankly that’s what ruins games.

Ahh thats why all Game Companys, including EA, focuses so much on realistic gameplay and realistic graphics. Hm..[/QUOTE]

FIFA allows a broader range of gamers to enjoy it and offers the player better control of passes and movement with its true 360 degree control unlike the quick tap passing of PES.

In your opinion yes, not in 95% of peoples opinions here in the forum. In other words, Fifa games are good for -15 year old kids with no patience.

It takes more skill to place the ball somewhere using a power-meter and having full 360 deg. control of where the ball goes than to just tap the button and the ball automatically goes in front of a player or directly at him.

Yes, or maybe its simply not possible to place the ball all the places you want it to be placed in Fifa 2004. Then it sure as hell takes skills

I'll tell you right now PES / WE are the underdog for good reason, because it lacks playability and is frustrating. People play games to have fun not to be frustrated.

Ahh is this it? You get frustrated playing PES/WE? I have a very logical reason for that mate, which do remind a bit of some of the "wise" answers FIFA fanboys give to us PES players:

Learn the game! Check out the training feature. Play the game for a couple of weeks or months and you'll learn it. Unlike Fifa games, PES/WE games cannot just be mastered within the first couple of games. Thats whats so good about it. And trust me, you're talking a lot about how the game is supposed to be fun and not realistic. After the learning-curve of PES3 has been completed...this is the most fun you'll ever have playing a football game

 

[Iceflow]

Originally posted by kingcazza
Stick ur stinkin comments up ur batty!!
You say you never been beaten by a retard?..............thats coz you are one.

That doesent make any sense, Mr Maturity!
How old are you, like 13 or something?

 

[kochung]

Iceflow, it seems that you are contradicting yourself. You said FIFA was more realistic and but now you say realism is not quite a positive aspect........

Have you ever see the depth of PES/WE?

Passes in PES 3 are affected several player attributes and players positions. Short pass accuracy, short pass speed, long pass accuracy, long pass speed, technique, and prefered foot etc. (each attributes are ranged with maximum 100.) How many factors affect passes in FIFA 2004?

Where the ball falls in free kicks and corners kicks should not be determined by where exactly you point but should be determined by player attributes.
All players are David Beckhams when they kick the corner kicks in FIFA 2004. But All the David Beckhams can't kick a short corner.......

Also, there are much more player motions for players to kick to ball in PES 3 than in FIFA 2004.

Look at the "covert" topic in this forum. There are much more PES fans coverted from FIFA. And they are the ones who see the light.
And I am sure we are having more more FUN because we can get different goals in PES 3. On the other hand, playing a "soccer game" that every matches are played in the same way is really frustrating.

 

[Iceflow]

Originally posted by rane
Ahh thats why all Game Companys, including EA, focuses so much on realistic gameplay and realistic graphics. Hm..

Yeah and thats why the latest games SUCK

Originally posted by rane
Yes, or maybe its simply not possible to place the ball all the places you want it to be placed in Fifa 2004. Then it sure as hell takes skills

ummm... what the hell are you on about?

Originally posted by rane
Ahh is this it? You get frustrated playing PES/WE? I have a very logical reason for that mate, which do remind a bit of some of the "wise" answers FIFA fanboys give to us PES players:

"us PES Players". ewww you sound so Elite !!!
Its frusterating because of the stupid passing not because of not knowing the game.

Originally posted by rane
PES/WE games cannot just be mastered within the first couple of games. Thats whats so good about it. And trust me, you're talking a lot about how the game is supposed to be fun and not realistic. After the learning-curve of PES3 has been completed...this is the most fun you'll ever have playing a football game

I was over the learning curve a long time ago not that theres much of one anyway.

PES3 isnt that hard mate, I dont know why you think your all that with youre Elitist bullshit

Go find someone good to play against in FIFA and see how you go. If you were to play me I can guarantee youll eat your words about FIFA being Easy. Or do you just play Single player, lol..Ahh thats it youre talking about single player haha.. like sex mate, always better with someone else LMAO

 

[md_32]

You think PES is easier to learn than FIFA? I must honestly say that I found FIFA much easier to pick up and play, free kicks and OTB control caused me problems at first, but a few games in practice mode solved that. Maybe you're used to the PES/WE style controls?

 

[Iceflow]

yeah as long as you read the manual they are kind of similar, through balls, smart passes, long passes PES has never really given me too many problems only that the passes dont go exactly where you point the stick. Its like they are controlled by the computer. Takes the skill out of it a a bit.

 

[md_32]

There is a way to manual pass, but I find that the "smart pass" in PES and the passing model in FIFA (no gameplay patches) aren't too different. PES gives you the closest player in the specified direction, but FIFA gives you the player which is closest to specified direction. Sorry for the wording, but I can't find a better way to phrase it while doing my physics homework.

 

[Iceflow]

Originally posted by kochung
Iceflow, it seems that you are contradicting yourself. You said FIFA was more realistic and but now you say realism is not quite a positive aspect........

Have you ever see the depth of PES/WE?

Passes in PES 3 are affected several player attributes and players positions. Short pass accuracy, short pass speed, long pass accuracy, long pass speed, technique, and prefered foot etc. (each attributes are ranged with maximum 100.) How many factors affect passes in FIFA 2004?

Where the ball falls in free kicks and corners kicks should not be determined by where exactly you point but should be determined by player attributes.
All players are David Beckhams when they kick the corner kicks in FIFA 2004. But All the David Beckhams can't kick a short corner.......

All of that means Carlos.. if the game is not accessable to everyone.
I wanna be able to play my 13yr old brother and have an even contest and also play a freind the same age.

Or even someone new to soccer games.
FIFA can cater for all that because of its intuitive and user friendly nature. It all depends how you play the game weather its the same every time or not. You are not forced to do the same thing over and over its a choice you can make. It all sounds to me like your talking about playing the computer in which case I have to say all soccer games are lame against the cpu.

If PES3 had FIFA 2002's 360degree passing then it would a hell of a lot better

 

[md_32]

The stats pages and team selection aren't too user friendly though . Come on, someone else answer, this is like Pong Classic .

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 [Beep] 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 [Beep] etc.

 

[The Butler]

/my two cents.

I think im in the Fifa bandcamp over this one. I picked up a copy of PES3 coz I was rather disappointed with Fifa2004 (same as every year) and yet I was even more disappointed with PES3.

Perhaps its because everyone praises it so highly that I felt let down. However I will now attempt to explain why I don't think PES3 is any better than Fifa2004.

First is the "realistic paradox". PES3 fans say that the movement and techniques used in PES3 are far superior and take skill. Fair enough it does seem slightly harder to master than Fifa. However FIFA2004 is a closer representation of *playing* football than PES3. Since when do you think "triple tap square + x" to do a triple shot feint when playing football? When you've got a ball at your feet in real-life what you do with it is based on instinct with simple thoughts like "shoot", "pass" etc. You don't think about angles or anything or *how* you lob. Too many button combos in PES3, might make it look more like the beautiful game but it doesn't play like it.

Also graphics and licenses are important, despite what you all think. In PES3 you pull off a sexy move and finish and then you get treated to er... cardboard cut out crowds, a team called "north london" taking the lead, and players wearing kits straight out of a market stall. It just cuts the immersion factor and ruins an otherwise joyous experience. Realism is so important - thats why CM4 is so popular.

Also watch Match of the Day and there are a many goals scored from outside the box and on volleys etc. If only there was a happy medium between FIFA's spectacular goal scoring and PES3's gotta be in the box to score.

And as for critisms of FIFA2004. Its not perfect but its fun. I'ts only problem is the bloody AI. Being scripted its not clever but just a handicap.

Put it on easy and its a piece of cake coz you're faster than them and they can't score or string passes together *on purpose*. Put the difficulty up and it only becomes harder coz they suddenly become perfect at shooting, tackling and passing whilst you become like a new-born baby in front of girl, but not due to your lack of skill but because its artificially imposed on you. The AI is just unfair, and makes FIFA crap. PES3 ain't no better though.

Combine the two and you will have perfection.
PES3 animation, AI and "feel"
Fifa controls, presentation, realism
Merge the shooting from both
= perfect game

 

[md_32]

Originally posted by The Butler
Combine the two and you will have perfection.
PES3 animation, AI and "feel"
Fifa controls, presentation, realism
Merge the shooting from both
= perfect game

I personally wouldn't agree on FIFA's presentation (or PES' for that matter) and licenses not realism. Now if only Konami or EA would listen to us...

 

[kingcazza]

Originally posted by Iceflow
That doesent make any sense, Mr Maturity!
How old are you, like 13 or something?

I just like winding you up mate

Calling all pesfans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this iceman geezer...........he aint gotta clue, tell him whats right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[The Butler]

I meant licences not realism coz PES3 stats centre is very good. And prehaps Fifa2003 presentation coz 2004 is awful