FIFA 13 Gameplay videos

[Tioxen2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tuc4vEfHOaw
From the looks it doesn't feel different than FIFA 12. What do you think?

And here are the team ratings for Man City, Arsenal, Juventus, Dortmund and AC Milan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkV2dOtxF-U

 

[bangus]

From the looks it doesn't feel different than FIFA 12. What do you think?

Do people really expect anything different at this point? It's EA Sports, they make their money putting out arcade sports games that target the button-mashing online crowd. Fortunately we have people like regularcat and Fidel who help make the game play like actual football, lol.

 

[ferrarienzo]

its too early to judge i think after 100+matches you can make a decision
but who cares since they just added the Saudi Arabia League loooooooooL :P :P
just kidding :P but they need to update Premier,Bunda,Liga A , Spanish leagues first

 

[bangus]

its too early to judge

Assuming that's User vs CPU footage, it's the identical all-out attack gameplay this seres has had for years. Just watch the transitions where the CPU takes possession. No stopping, no pausing, just grab the ball, turn and rush back up the pitch. Positionally it's the same as well -- no realism whatsoever. The CPU only brings four men back in their box while the rest of the team stands around watching from 20-30 yards out while a goal is scored (1:15 mark). In real-life those back midfielders would be rushing into the box to help out. Never happens in FIFA.

 

[Waldo1639]

Actually, I agree with you at this, bangus. By further watching videos from Gamescom it's very clear that AI have no build-up play at all, no back passes, no intelligence. AI will outsmart you with perfect pass and shoot only. So, speaking of artificial intelligence, FIFA have nothing or very little. Btw, bangus, have you tried PES 2013 gameplay? Impressions?

 

[bangus]

Btw, bangus, have you tried PES 2013 gameplay? Impressions?

Yes, and I love the demo. Konami is back on the right track for sure. Now it does have issues. The CPU in PES doesn't do a lot of play buildup either IMO, and seems to have the same sort of straight-ahead attack mentality CPU teams in FIFA have. But that could be the demo programming, which I was able to adjust to a degree by editing CPU teams formations and players' default positions (PC version).

One thing that's a definite improvement over FIFA is the CPU in PES will at times bring several players back into the box to defend. That's an issue in FIFA that drives me totally nuts. But I've been working on that in FIFA 12 for a while now, and I've come up with my own editing tweaks to allow both the User and CPU to bring 7 or 8 or even more players back into the box to defend. It a samll thing but it changes the gameplay entirely.

 

[bangus]

So, speaking of artificial intelligence, FIFA have nothing or very little.

Both games have solid programming in place IMO. The issue is the gameplay needs to be readjusted and fine-tuned to match what the game engine is capable of. I do that by custom editing every CPU team's formation and tactics, along with CPU players' ratings, roles and workrates. I'll maybe try to post a couple of screens to show how the game (both games actually) can play completely different, depending on how one edits CPU teams and players.

 

[bangus]

Waldo (and others), these three screens are from FIFA 12, CPU vs User. I'm in black defending my goal. The first two screens show FIFA's default gameplay and borked player positioning. Notice in screen #1 how the programming only allows my four defenders to help defend, the rest of my teammates stand around outside the box doing nothing. Screen #2 (same play) shows how far up the pitch the rest of my teammates are, even though I have defensive settings set to maximum. Screen #3 is my edited gameplay. I tweaked my team to have seven guys defend in the box, while my remaining teammates drop back deep to help out (the three players on the far left of the screen).

If you go back and look at the FIFA 13 vid from the first post, you can clearly see that players' defensive positioning in FIFA 13 is exactly the same as default FIFA 12, and just as restrictive and unrealistic.

 

[Waldo1639]

Yes, PES 2013 1st Demo have AI issues, I get what you mean, mate. FIFA, in terms of tactical approach (by default, unedited gameplay); formations, positioning, covering, quick tactics switch etc..., is behind PES by far. I played a lot of PES 2012, throughout Master League, and after some time I did noticed that matches gets repetitive too, but not as much as in FIFA. FIFA's matches usually have the same pattern, rush into the goal.

And on those pictures you posted it's clearly visibly about what we talk about. And, yes, this problem is not from today, it follows FIFA few years now. But after you posted those pics I checked defending behavior on PES 2013 Demo, on professional difficulty, and you'll never see only 4 defenders defending, there is always backup, from whole team, and what is even better is transformation from defense to attack, which is amazing in PES. Enormous effort was taken into PES teamplay. Now, as said, it do have issues. I would like to see tighter covering and sometimes better positioning in both attack and defense.

What I appreciate abut PES is that KONAMI is constantly improving their gameplay based on players feedback, they want to listen and know what players would like to see improved and added. We have even 2 Demos from PES. 1st is amazing, and as far as I read feedbacks about 2nd Demo (not for PC out yet) it's much different, more fluid with better animations. And all that improved in only few weeks. Hat down KONAMI.

But let us first try FIFA 13 Demo, will be much smarter after then.

 

[Fidel Gameplay]

Outstanding discussion here!!! Really interesting and technical considerations.
Wait for the demo for see what works and what does not!
Wait for the demo for see what to improve and fix!
I wait for your technical considerations about!

bye

 

[info0]

Hello, I'm back .

You really shouldn't judge FIFA 13 from videos I can tell you that.

This game feels different when you play it personally. People know me for being PES fan, but FIFA 13 breaks concepts set by FIFA 12.

Refined elements like Tactical Defending and First Touch errors are things you notice straight away. Hopefully this gets rid of kick-rush games online as receiving the ball while sprinting is near on impossible to do now. Thank God!

Now main concept behind FIFA 13 was bringing unpredictability to the game. Simply speaking, scripting the game to have those "amazing" moments you won't forget. For this we will have to wait for full game as I believe, this will make career mode more interesting .

Then you have the focus on Attacking AI and I must say, EA can pat themselves on the back. They promised and delivered. You players aren't static wax figures sitting there and doing nothing. If he can find space to RUN he will try and RUN on position to where the pass may go. If his lane is blocked by defender, he will do clever run sideways and open the way for pass to reach him, etc. This was seen in your teammates AI. Computer AI as you noticed is still in attack at all costs mode, but it probably can be tweaked using sliders, so no bad news here .

The biggest issue comes with defensive AI. Still broken and sadly, without source code impossible to fix by any patch. Your sidebacks/fullbacks, sometimes central defenders will always allow attacking guy to go ONSIDE to 1-on-1 situation with GK. You could see this even in first trailer for FIFA 13 when the full back stops suddenly to let the guy go through. Yep, it's in bloody game!

Now you mentioned Pro Evolution Soccer 2013. Loved 1st demo (PC), loving 2nd demo (EU one on PS3).

But not everything is rosy for KONAMI yet. I still think FIFA will edge it this year, but not gameplay wise, more like in what it has to offer.

There are bad news coming from WENB and Adam though . He said the changes to Master League KONAMI made, are terrible (the thing he pointed is mixing some elements from BAL to ML by accident, making Master League far less realistic/authentic).

He said to wait for more news about this matter in September. If that comes true, well, FIFA is the only option for those long Winter nights.

Enjoy!

Nice to be back ^^.

 

[Fidel Gameplay]

I hope that EA will remember to update the numbers of players subs (11 players subs).
Anyone has news about it?

...hopefully good...

bye

to info0: nice to see you back!

 

[bangus]

Now main concept behind FIFA 13 was bringing unpredictability to the game. Simply speaking, scripting the game to have those "amazing" moments you won't forget.

Egads, haven't we had enough of the scripting stuff with PES and FIFA's silly momentum programming? Guess I'm just old-school. I perfer scriptless sports game with zero momentum/confidence/home-away programming cheats. Games where the CPU plays the same throughout the whole game, from start to finish, without for example going crazy in the last 10 minutes trying to score.

As for your comment about not judging FIFA 13 yet, sure that's fine. But those vids make it clear that FIFA's basic gameplay looks pretty much identical to FIFA 12: all attack all the time, no slowing down and no play buildup, and unrealistic and restrictive player positioning. I also read a preview article that stated that as well: that the main changes have to do with other areas of the game. In other words, it looks like we'll again be relying on Fidel and regularcat to try and turn FIFA 13 into something that looks and plays like actual football.

 

[info0]

@Fidel sorry, you won't see 11 subs in FIFA on this gen. The replay system limits it.

The in depth discussion was you will need to have a lot of rework on replays to be made and in 1 year time it's impossible to address.

Maybe when new engine hits the market we will see drastic changes (like dynamic weather/conditions ).

Btw everything around the field is animated now. Cameraman and whatnot. Something PES did in PES 2011, but good to see it in FIFA too. Brings that realistic atmosphere to the game ^^.

 

[Waldo1639]

Hello, I'm back .

There are bad news coming from WENB and Adam though . He said the changes to Master League KONAMI made, are terrible (the thing he pointed is mixing some elements from BAL to ML by accident, making Master League far less realistic/authentic).

Nice to be back ^^.

Good you're back, mate. There are only few people on this forum who will openly discuss about both PES and FIFA withou being a fan-boy or an a-hole.

And speaking of PES 2013 ML... well, that's bad news then. PES 2012 ML was the reason why I didn't play FIFA a lot this year.

Anyway, mate, have you saw new Fox Engine, who is is powering new MGS Ground Zero? Will probably power next PES. It looks stunning!

 

[jschuck12001]

Yes, PES 2013 1st Demo have AI issues, I get what you mean, mate. FIFA, in terms of tactical approach (by default, unedited gameplay); formations, positioning, covering, quick tactics switch etc..., is behind PES by far. I played a lot of PES 2012, throughout Master League, and after some time I did noticed that matches gets repetitive too, but not as much as in FIFA. FIFA's matches usually have the same pattern, rush into the goal.

And on those pictures you posted it's clearly visibly about what we talk about. And, yes, this problem is not from today, it follows FIFA few years now. But after you posted those pics I checked defending behavior on PES 2013 Demo, on professional difficulty, and you'll never see only 4 defenders defending, there is always backup, from whole team, and what is even better is transformation from defense to attack, which is amazing in PES. Enormous effort was taken into PES teamplay. Now, as said, it do have issues. I would like to see tighter covering and sometimes better positioning in both attack and defense.

What I appreciate abut PES is that KONAMI is constantly improving their gameplay based on players feedback, they want to listen and know what players would like to see improved and added. We have even 2 Demos from PES. 1st is amazing, and as far as I read feedbacks about 2nd Demo (not for PC out yet) it's much different, more fluid with better animations. And all that improved in only few weeks. Hat down KONAMI.

But let us first try FIFA 13 Demo, will be much smarter after then.

Have you read what Konami has done with manager mode, its sounds so lame I probably wont even play the game this year.

PES 2013 Manager Mode Review and Explanation
http://www.moddingway.com/news/5221.html

 

[Waldo1639]

Yea, info0 mentioned it. What have they done...

 

[bangus]

Yea, info0 mentioned it. What have they done...

Completely overblown. It was also posted you can switch and play PES ML the old way if you choose. People jumping to ridiculous conclusions.

 

[info0]

No, you cannot sadly.

The new boots/personal boosts etc. are tightly integrated as marketing thing into ML this year. Shame.

Career Mode on FIFA 13 looks a lot better. It just is going in realism way not fantasy stuff.

Silly.

@Waldo yes, I did see it. Wasn't that much impressed because it was just "DX10" video. The current gen consoles stuff.

Want to see it on full fledged NG Console next.

The thing which makes FOX engine great is, it can be used for variety of games. Pretty much like Unreal Engine (can't believe no-one bothered to make footy game on it yet...)

And seeing how Unreal Engine 4 looks... Darn.

Btw FIFA 14 will have something which is missing from FIFA at the moment. Interia/weight/foot planting system in place. Something which debuted this year in NHL 13 game.

True fight is just beginning...

 

[ManUtdFan20]

You can't judge how a game plays by watching videos.

FIFA 11 and 12 both looked similiar but really both feel different when playing them