English and Spanish teams in Europe

[RoyIsALegend]

Why is it that English teams tend to fair poorly in European play(Arsenal particularly this year) and Spanish teams(Real Madrid, Deportivo La Coruna and Real Socieded all off to perfect starts in Champions League) tend to do well?

Any particular reasons? Is it the coaching or just the style of play? The atmosphere of different stadiums...?

 

[valioso]

the spanish league is a stronger league, so they are more used to harder games. and also the style of play is different, most english teams play the direct long ball skipping much midfield play, while in europe you must win the midfield battle to do well.

 

[Rob]

Yea, valioso hit it on the head there. Its just the style that really gets them.

 

[Voltaic Borusse]

Yep, this is why Spanish and Italian clubs are most successful in European competion. Different stytles of play dictate the success rate of clubs and so on and so forth.

 

[Jedi Mind Trick]

Originally posted by valioso
the style of play is different, most english teams play the direct long ball skipping much midfield play, while in europe you must win the midfield battle to do well.

this pretty much sums it up. english teams are accustomed to a face paced game and the extensive use of long balls. but in europe, the game slows down.

 

[Lennon]

Originally posted by BVD-BorussDort
Yep, this is why Spanish and Italian clubs are most successful in European competion. Different stytles of play dictate the success rate of clubs and so on and so forth.

yeah,Italy teams have a lot of succes also,in fact i think they perform better than any other europe country teams

 

[DC_NUFC]

What are you talking about! First of all, the Italian League is hopeless, there is 5 teams and he game that they play is so boring. Did u see that champions league final last year! I didn't cause I fell asleep in the first 5 minutes. I do agree though, the spanish league is the best league in the world. Also, what u said about Engish teams is not true. On Arsenals day, they can smash any team in the world

 

[Jedi Mind Trick]

Originally posted by DC_NUFC
What are you talking about! First of all, the Italian League is hopeless, there is 5 teams and he game that they play is so boring. Did u see that champions league final last year! I didn't cause I fell asleep in the first 5 minutes. I do agree though, the spanish league is the best league in the world. Also, what u said about Engish teams is not true. On Arsenals day, they can smash any team in the world

i think the majority of the people here will agree that last year's final was boring as hell. but the fact of the matter is, they both played a style of soccer that was effective and got them to the finals.

 

[antithesis]

english teams dont do as badly as people think(although I exaggerated myself after this weeks matches), and what do you mean by "particularly Arsenal"? They lost one game to Internazionale!!

I keep saying this and people never listen. It's not that big of a deal to lose to good opposition. And english teams do not use the longball, and even if they did, so what?

To me the only difference is English teams defend with 5 men and continental teams defend with 7. Nobody can ever educate me why playing slower would present more problems, it just doesn't compute in my head, especially when all these players are internationals where the game is at it's slowest.

Could it be that Italian and Spanish teams are simply better? That's basically it, they are better! They defend with more players and are more disciplined to the teams' tactical plans.

Having said that, I am almost certain that if Arsenal and ManU played in La Liga or Serie A they'd win it once every three years at least. I am equally as convinced that Madrid and Juve would win the EPL less frequently.

 

[valioso]

Originally posted by antithesis
And english teams do not use the longball, and even if they did, so what?

they dont use the longball?? you watch a lot of epl games? most of the times they cross it onto the box from midfield... there is a huge difference in the way of play between spanish and italians and the english teams.. since Man U won the CL english teams have not done anything on the champions league. The only english team that has done well in the champions league is Man U, because they have the players to adapt their style. And even then they have a hard time because they are not used to such hard opposition game in and game out.

 

[Jedi Mind Trick]

Originally posted by valioso
they dont use the longball?? you watch a lot of epl games? most of the times they cross it onto the box from midfield... there is a huge difference in the way of play between spanish and italians and the english teams.. since Man U won the CL english teams have not done anything on the champions league. The only english team that has done well in the champions league is Man U, because they have the players to adapt their style. And even then they have a hard time because they are not used to such hard opposition game in and game out.

true. and man.utd have had to change their players and lineups to adapt to the champions league. sir alex have gone as far as saying that he needed to change his formation and strategies to be more succesful. therefore, you saw scholes being pushed into a more advanced role, while losing players like andy cole, who strived on long balls and crosses.

of the english teams, man.utd have been the most successful because over the years, they've been not only able to adapt but their experiences have helped them be more patient in the european stage. they've also had some tough luck over the years...but still consistently make the quarterfinals.

 

[IceBlu]

Originally posted by DC_NUFC
What are you talking about! First of all, the Italian League is hopeless, there is 5 teams and he game that they play is so boring. Did u see that champions league final last year! I didn't cause I fell asleep in the first 5 minutes. I do agree though, the spanish league is the best league in the world. Also, what u said about Engish teams is not true. On Arsenals day, they can smash any team in the world

what are YOU talking about ?

Ok the SerieA has 5 good teams - how many does the EPL have ? ManU, Arsenal, Liverpool and now Chelsea.... the rest are useless.

even out of the existing 4, only ManU and Liverpool have achieved European success.

Ok, last years CL final wasn't the greatest BUT if u mention the final, how come you completely omit Milan's performances agasint Bayern, Depor etc or Juve's match vs Madrid and Depor ?

3 Italian teams in the finals ! surely that counts for something !

An All Italian final was bound to be a tight affair dumbass since the teams have played each other so many times and know each other like the back of their hand.

Except ManU, the EPL is worthless. Chelsea may be the next big.

And coming back to 5 teams - are you f*ckin kidding me ? Away games in the Serie A are Soo unpredictable ! teams like Chievo, Perugia, Bologna, Udinese, Brescia etc could beat the lower clubs in the EPL with Ease !

Milan, Juve, Inter, Roma, Lazio, Parma > ManU, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Newcastle, Spurs

 

[antithesis]

Originally posted by valioso
they dont use the longball?? you watch a lot of epl games? most of the times they cross it onto the box from midfield... there is a huge difference in the way of play between spanish and italians and the english teams.. since Man U won the CL english teams have not done anything on the champions league. The only english team that has done well in the champions league is Man U, because they have the players to adapt their style. And even then they have a hard time because they are not used to such hard opposition game in and game out.

you figure out how you went from "most english teams play the direct long ball skipping much midfield play", to "most of the times they cross it onto the box from midfield".

That's what happens when you read too many newspaper columnists. There is no difference of any great merit between the Italian, Spanish, and English leagues.
The very few differences are speed, and the over-reliance of a back four in England, other than that you couldn't tell me any, and it just may be that you dont watch enough football because there are alot of crosses in SerieA and LaLiga, and probably more headed goals as well.

 

[tottiiii]

Originally posted by antithesis


Having said that, I am almost certain that if Arsenal and ManU played in La Liga or Serie A they'd win it once every three years at least. I am equally as convinced that Madrid and Juve would win the EPL less frequently.

and the fact that Serie A and Liga are better than the EPL supports this very much...no way would Arsenal and Man United win the league every three years...i think u mean EPL

 

[antithesis]

I meant what I said. One of them (in my uninformed opinion) would win Serie A once every three years. All those leagues are the same................ the same two teams win it almost every year.