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Swish

Youth Team
Ash,

I didnt say it was controversial to put it. Saying that, I never even spoke to you as to why it wasnt put in, must be cos you blocked me.

I didnt put it in, cos I have just spent the past couple of days trying to restrain everyone in the forums and stop everything from getting out of hand. Conversationsand arguments were turning nasty and I wouldnt allow that to happen.

So I made my post in the forum, and by the looks of the forum today, its quiet and calm and everything is back to normal again without everyone trying to insult each other. Then I get this article in the zone that is from a member who is planning on leaving who just wants to kick everything back up again. Hence, I told Phippard to take it out.

Now, you can act immature and selfish and try to defend your little rant (which I forgot to thank you for single handedly pointing fingers at me), but the truth of the matter is, I didnt want ppl who never visit the forums suddenly open up their copy of the zone and have a respected member of MZ call them a cheater, when they clearly are not breaking any rules.

If you want, think about yourself and think how hard done by you are with everyone else using an open free for all tactic. But next time, look at the bigger picture. You were basically a member of staff, for all members could know, you were crew. And you openly tell them that they are all cheating, thus them sending support mails in (that YOU dont deal with), come into the forums and start arguments (that YOU were MEANT to deal with) and thus everything will have kicked off again with me restricting even more of members allowed in the forum.

Its not what I want, its not what Crew want and its not what the members want. But you seemed to have forgotten all of this, either thats what you want, or you didnt realise or think about the consequences. Either way, you acted very immature and selfish in that rant and while most users might agree with you on here, they can kick up as much of a fuss as they want, I have no say in this board. But if you start messing around with members that im in charge of and have to keep everything working for them, then thats when you cross the line, and with that rant, you crossed the line.

Now I daresay this thread will stay open for long, seeing as you will try and restrict my speech on here. But do what you want, but think about your actions next time and learn the full story before you start finger pointing.

Oh and a personal note, why dont I play normal tactics with my normal tactics? Simple, I play on average 40-60 games a day, you expect me to look at 40-60 teams and rearrange my line up to suit them all? You obviously must do if thats the case. And in regards to your other little naff point in your rant. I didnt beat you with the 4-3-3. I beat you 5-0 with a different tactic.
 

UpTheIrons

Club Supporter
Re: Editorial = Sad

Originally posted by Swish
I didnt say it was controversial to put it. Saying that, I never even spoke to you as to why it wasnt put in, must be cos you blocked me.

If this is the case, Ash should unblock you immediately and resolve this situation.

I didnt put it in, cos I have just spent the past couple of days trying to restrain everyone in the forums and stop everything from getting out of hand. Conversationsand arguments were turning nasty and I wouldnt allow that to happen.

I for one have also noticed the increasing amount of critics coming out of their shell. It's not the first time, and certainly won't be the last time. If people can debate without being insulting, then maybe a discussion would be readable, and progress would be made, but there were too many people on the MZ forum just not willing to cooperate in this manner.

So I made my post in the forum, and by the looks of the forum today, its quiet and calm and everything is back to normal again without everyone trying to insult each other. Then I get this article in the zone that is from a member who is planning on leaving who just wants to kick everything back up again. Hence, I told Phippard to take it out.

I believe you were right to do so by requesting that John removes the article. The article was certainly of newspaper quality, only more along the lines of a daily rag (tabloid). Ash is within his rights to have a moan and complain about the 4-3-3, however he overstepped the mark when he started mentioning individuals and accusing them of being cheaters. This type scathing attack is uncalled for.

Now, you can act immature and selfish and try to defend your little rant (which I forgot to thank you for single handedly pointing fingers at me), but the truth of the matter is, I didnt want ppl who never visit the forums suddenly open up their copy of the zone and have a respected member of MZ call them a cheater, when they clearly are not breaking any rules.

If Ash's article had not derogative, then it would not have been removed from the zone. However Ash opted to choose the ireverent path and use The English Zone to launch a public attack on individuals. If Ash's choice of words had been more sensible, then I am sure progress with discussing the 4-3-3 could be made.

If you want, think about yourself and think how hard done by you are with everyone else using an open free for all tactic. But next time, look at the bigger picture. You were basically a member of staff, for all members could know, you were crew. And you openly tell them that they are all cheating, thus them sending support mails in (that YOU dont deal with), come into the forums and start arguments (that YOU were MEANT to deal with) and thus everything will have kicked off again with me restricting even more of members allowed in the forum.

I can see where you are coming from. One problem creates another and the effect recycles itself until damage has been done. Like driving, if I am going 30 and don't notice traffic lights are red and a pedestrian steps out, overall breaking distance is 23 metres when travelling at 30, so I would most likely have hit a pedestrian(s) and killed them. I would have had to floor the brake also, thus creating a hazard for the driver behind me, although he should have seen the red light.

Ash, remember that our individual actions have a knock on effect my friend.

Its not what I want, its not what Crew want and its not what the members want. But you seemed to have forgotten all of this, either thats what you want, or you didnt realise or think about the consequences. Either way, you acted very immature and selfish in that rant and while most users might agree with you on here, they can kick up as much of a fuss as they want, I have no say in this board. But if you start messing around with members that im in charge of and have to keep everything working for them, then thats when you cross the line, and with that rant, you crossed the line.

And the article was rightly removed from The Zone. It would have caused problems. It did contain statements which were libellous. I believe if Ash can remove the insults, and put forward a good argument against the 4-3-3 tactic, and have somebody put forward a case for the 4-3-3 tactic, then we can have a good discussion and a sensible debate on the issue. It's as simple as that.

Now I daresay this thread will stay open for long, seeing as you will try and restrict my speech on here. But do what you want, but think about your actions next time and learn the full story before you start finger pointing.

If we all act mature, sensible, reasonable, and respect each other, then I see no reason why this thread will be closed. Personal insults should be told to people one to one. Not on forums, not on messengers. If you have beef with somebody, pay them a visit and sort it out.

Oh and a personal note, why dont I play normal tactics with my normal tactics? Simple, I play on average 40-60 games a day, you expect me to look at 40-60 teams and rearrange my line up to suit them all? You obviously must do if thats the case. And in regards to your other little naff point in your rant. I didnt beat you with the 4-3-3. I beat you 5-0 with a different tactic.

And there was me on the receiving end of a migraine for trying to keep up with 5 matches per day.

All in all, if we respect each others opinions, and put forward a non-abusive argument to one another, then we will move forward, and learn more.
 

Mutt

Yahoo Pool King
Originally posted by kangle4
sucking up r we mutt:hump: !!!

what am i sucking up for?.. i have no reason to suck up, i meerely commented that it was a nice essay which if u bothered to read youll find it was, and a nice analysis too... :rolleyes:
 

Swish

Youth Team
I'll doubt I get one.

I got lectured in Blues final post in the Ash bashing the 4-3-3 tactic thread. I was apparently out of order for calling Ash such names as pathetic and sad. But it was fine for Ash to call me a cheater. :kader:
 

Bluecoaster

Reserve Team
Ash has never said "you are a cheater", or atleast not in these forums. If he calls you like that on MSN, MZ forums or anywhere else but here, it's yours to deal with and I have nothing to do with it. If he did it on here, he would receive the same warning you did, although I believe he's smarter than that seeing as he's a mod here.

As I said before Steve, me closing the last thread was nothing personal, I just didn't like any member, especially a mod, be insulted.

This thread wont be closed as long as it keeps in order, which is the case right now.

Blue

P.S Who is Up The Irons? I would be disappointed if I found out it was you Steve...To comment on your own post :/

Blue
 

Swish

Youth Team
Oh dont be so pathetic Blue, now who is being ths insulting one.

And Ash didnt call me a cheater? Hmm, must have misread the article on the front page, silly me.

Ash smarter, seeing as his a mod?

Is that a serious comment?

Do you really believe all of that which you just typed Blue?
 

Swish

Youth Team
Oh and if you wish to start pointing fingers at me signing up another user just to appear as a 2nd person, then you are clearly just being stupid. If you wanna know who wrote that, ask Ash.
 

Swish

Youth Team
"Ash has never said "you are a cheater", or atleast not in these forums." = I was called a cheater on the front page of this website, im offended by it. I was inproperly accused, and im sad to say, a little dissappointed in this site as I didnt realise it was just mods pointing fingers and acting immaturely.

:read:
 

Swish

Youth Team
I believe he's smarter than that seeing as he's a mod here
So on MZ he acts like a complete idiot, but he gets to run the show here.

Bearing in mind that this is the same mature and smart person who couldnt understand why I didnt want to put the below image in the zone :|

Oh, and Blue, you starting to call me a lot of stupid things and even come onto the MZ forums and tell me that im misusing my powers and should behave more appropriately. Does that mean Im in my right to point out threads you've made like this:Blue's Intelligent Thread ?

Ash's pic. Remember, you have to take Ash very seriously, seeing as he is a lot smarter than most of you :rolleyes:
 

Bluecoaster

Reserve Team
Originally posted by Swish
Oh dont be so pathetic Blue, now who is being ths insulting one.

And Ash didnt call me a cheater? Hmm, must have misread the article on the front page, silly me.

Ash smarter, seeing as his a mod?

Is that a serious comment?

Do you really believe all of that which you just typed Blue?

Oh excuse me for not having the time in 7:30 in the morning to read an article on the front page after you messaged me in MSN to tell me I will probably close the thread. Some of us don't have so much time on their hands you know.

If you read my response again, you might notice I wasn't mentioning Ash being smarter as in an comparision to anyone (as you obviously felt attacked by it), but as my opinion that Ash should be smarter than doing it.

Oh btw, I just read the article. Except for the part where he calls others cheaters (and I believe it's NOT appropriable), the article is 100% true. Tell me what offends you, and I'll tell Ash to edit it (as it's HIS article), but don't expect from me to remove it as it states FACTS.

Also, I thought you knew better than to create 4 responses rather than one big one.

My "intelligent thread" was to kick real nosobad off these forums. He's been extremely annoying over time and that wasn't enough to ban him for life. Now he is banned for life and we are again a "little happy community".

Now, would you be so kind to point to me where I started to "call you a lot of stupid thing".

Now tell me, have I pointed fingers at you when I asked about the 1 post user? No. All I have said was that I would be disappointed if you were him (which has come to my mind, seeing as he didn't add any personal info to his profile and not to mention it being written at 2am in the morning). I have NEVER said it was you, but I would really be disappointed if you couldn't argue without having to do that.

Do you really believe all of that which you just typed Blue?

YES, I do.

Next time please re-read what I said before creating 4 new responses, as it's considered illegal on these forums as much as two or more !'s are considered on the MZ forums.

Blue
 

Ash

Senior Squad
bloody hell Steve. Can't you let it drop?

The reason I blocked you on MSN was because you were obviously in a bad mood. I didn't want to get into an arguement with you because you would most likely have banned me (would I be right in thinking you've banned people before because of an arguement you had with them in an MSN convo?)

And the fact is you stopped me from putting the article in the zone because it was inappropriate? But I'm allowed an opinion so I posted it here. I wrote the article last week after Crew announced their change of plans. It's definitely nothing personal. Sorry that your name is in there, but considering you're one of the most well known people on MZ, it has more impact than writing about some div 4 team that choose to use the tactic.

And so I have a laugh sometimes.... big deal? This time I'm so serious. Why else would I have changed my team name. Call it stupid if you want. I don't think I'm going to change the way I behave to impress Steve the big god of MZ like everyone else seems to want to do.

You banned a topic of conversation in the forums because you were bored of reading about it. Maybe the rules have changed in the last few days but when I was an FA there was more to it than closing threads that we were bored of.

I talked to you on MSN last night. I didn't bring this topic up because I don't want to get into an arguement. But considering I did unblock you and you knew it then you could easily have talked to me about this on MSN. Instead you keep on starting arguements with me on a public forum.

If I ever had any respect for you Steve I lost it all completely in the last few days over the way you have completely overreacted to someone who has an opinion that isn't the same as yours. Get used to it. Not everyone will always agree with you.
 

Mutt

Yahoo Pool King
:confused: you guys are just like real nosobad and i were, except you take the time to ellaborate (spelt wrong) with ur essay like arguements, maybe you should drop the issue or take it to the 'bashing thread' ^_^.. take care, stay calm and collected and lets all join hands in a friendly sing along (H)
 

Bluecoaster

Reserve Team
That exactly is your problem. Even if we state some facts you can't learn to accept them, instead, you come here, write an essay and as we comment on it you just turn around and run away. Atleast do argue, but with normal arguments and WITHOUT insults, and don't try running away and turning it around like it's all our fault and we are the greatest idiots of this world. You too make mistakes Steve.

Blue
 

myfatcat

Reserve Team
Hang on. I know I've read before that when arguments started getting out of hand in the forum (hell, any forum), the mods general advice was to "take it somewhere else", a private conversation where you can bash the hell out of each other however much you like.

Steve - was there really a need to post this in a public message board? I know that I really coulnd't care less about whatever petty little argument is goign on here, but there's no need for it to be in a public place. Your gripes are with ash, I'm sure its possible for a private conversation to sort things out. This forum has Private messages for starters. I'm sure there's many other ways...
 

Swish

Youth Team
was it neccessary for Ash to post his gripes with me on the front page of this website?

This is the exact reason why the forums on MZ have been banned from speaking of this tactic. These are the kind of arguments it was generating.

Blue, im not gonna reply. Sorry, but if your last comment of starting a thread was just to ban a member you didnt like, then im not going to continue in this forum. If you are winding up members just so you can ban them, then im sorry, but im not taking the bait.

This has been discussed times before, the argument for cheat and against cheat tactic. I came on here as my name was getting knocked and I was defending it. I cant talk to Ash, as he said, he blocked cos I was in a bad mood, which actually translates to me having to stop him treading over the mark.

Fat cat, he inuslted me publically, im defending myself publically. Its the way in which it works.
 

Ash

Senior Squad
Steve I unblocked you and I talked to you on MSN last night. I did block you which actually translates to 'I don't want to get banned for disagreeing with you ala Gareth".

Where exactly have I insulted you publically?

Swish manager nemesis01 has said in the past that he uses it to adapt to the current sim, to ensure the best chance of a win for his team. But surely he could win matches against a "normal" tactic using a "normal" tactic himself? Most people who use it claim that they don’t actually like using it, but feel they have to so they can have a chance of winning, against other teams who use it.
Can I ask you which part of this is untrue? Where's the insult? At the point I wrote this I had no arguement with you, that was just something I picked up from the MZ forums.

I've closed it now. You can email me or whatever or wait until I get on MSN. You're not blocked - I'm not on MSN at the moment. There is a difference.
 
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