EA - This comminity is falling apart - thanks to you!

[Hrvoje Bajlo]

Dear visitors of this genuinely amazing forum,

Dear EA Sports and everyone associated with them. First of all let me tell you that you destroyed all this, the community that used to be the most active editing community in, i can surely say - history!


But thanks to you, with intentionally preventing us from editing FIFA, for example - cinematics: Why did you lock cinematics filesystem, why would you create game so uneditable in last few years?

Another example is National Teams, we can add them but they cannot be added into a Be A Pro mode because you heavily written everything into fifa10.exe which is in most cased uneditable - or we cannot find how to change that. That are just two examples and there are so many other ones i didn't mention.

Few years back, i remember very well, you introduced .bh filesystem that prevented us to add more stuff/edit them from/in FIFA games, but thanks to our great community even that has been cracked and regenerators are still out there helping us rebuild .bh files and fifa.fat. I can just say that this was the beginning of the end. The end of community that i was proud to be in.

Why would you like to kill editing commnity? What's the point? You are just losing FIFA followers, and you will lose them even more because YOU DO NOT LISTEN TO FIFA FANS!

Remember all that FIFA websited that existed. Remember what Sweetpatch used to be? Remember what SoccerAccess used to be? Remember FIFA ECP and stadion HARP tool for making new statiums, remember them releasing new stadiums each day? Remember what SoccerGaming Downloads Centre used to be, remember FIFA (year of the game) Online used to be, can't you see there's no more FIFA Online, remember how many hits and downloads my FIFA Web Portal had, how many downloads and programs/patches?

Well, thanks to you most of this is gone. Ariel is not editing FIFA anymore, i just spoke with him maybe 10 days ago on MSN and we agreed that we wont come back until you start listen to FIFA fans, you CUSTOMERS, and us - (ex)editors.

This year i come back and i released only one utility, Boot Center 2010. And i do not regret releasing it, i've been absent for few years because you killed in me motive for editing every year the same game with new logo on it and with updated rosters, and maybe few "innovations" that aren't really new.

Don't get me wrong, but KONAMI do listen to their fans, and they already, now for few years have second generation PES... When we all said we want gameplay improvements for FIFA, for years you haven't listened to us even when releasing promotional videos you said you are listening to the fans.

Just accept the fact that FIFA is not what it used to be, accept the fact that fans want REAL CHANGES AND we (ex)editors and game fans also - want for God's sake - SECOND GENERATION FIFA. WE WANT FINALLY BETTER GAMEPLAY ON PC AND WE WANT YOU TO START LISTENING TO US. If you continue doing it your way...

 

[Keegan]

Preach it, brother!

 

[Powerslave]

Well this is my first post here but I've been looking around these forums for quite some time. I play Fifa only with mods, only they can make the game more interesting

I support this thread

 

[Outsider 87]

Sorry man, but I CANNOT agree with you...
You are talking about different things relating them in a wrong way. First of all you talk about bh files: those files are useful to the way FIFA behaves with graphic files in zdata. So they introduced them to have a better indexing of zdata big files. And you will be more than surprised when you see that those bh are not only used in other EA SPORTS games, but that are used even more (even with audio files) in Next-gen consoles FIFA files...

On the other hand it is true that they have put some limits to our editing possibilities introducing a fat limit, introducing a difficult compression system in fifa saved files (but Steve Pitts, Rinaldo and Krystian were able to work this out), locking cinematics file system and so on.
However I think that FIFA is still a very editable game and one of the most easy editable games in videogames panorama. It is true that they do not give us any instrument (thanks God not having a stupid Creation Centre), but it is also true that they made the prehistorical graphics system lighter, in order to keep larger stadium/banners/etc textures without crashing. In all these years they still did not delete the possibility to put files in FIFA root folder and make them work as they was in zdatas and so on...

You talk about Konami, but I still think that, thanks to our amazing programmers, Fifa editing is easier and better than PES editing (except for one thing: faces creation!): the problem is that the quality of the game itself is low. And that's why editer are disappearing, people are not downloading things anymore, etc: because the game is quite poor and absolutely outdated for 2010 standards.

But remember my words: "If FIFA 2011 will be the finally Next-Generation game we all want for PC, you can forget to edit a single file of the game in the first months, because every program by every author has to be totally rebuilt from scratch!".

The conclusion for me is that I don't like these kind of threads if they have the aim to ask EA SPORTS more freedom to edit the game as we want, because they do have the right to make the game as they feel it is the better way for them, not for editers like us. I like them if they have the aim to ask EA SPORTS for a better game, no matter if easily editable or not! We need a better game and a 2010-era game: the rest is not so important, because we have great programmers that have already proved themself to be able to do whatever they want with FIFA files: while these programmers exist and love FIFA, I'm not afraid for what EA SPORTS will do in the future, unless they decide to totally delete FIFA PC game or deliver another 2003-engine game!!!

 

[regularcat]

i have to say i dont blame ea.

you say ea isnt listening to the community, but they are, the next gen games are
what the community has been asking for, but if you read the threads over at ea uk
& see what they are saying to ea, if you were ea would you take into consideration
what the pc community asks for.

most likely not.

i think the community is falling apart now due to the so called community becoming
more of requests & you better have it by a certain date you say or its **** talk city.

nobody is willing to try to make anything, more of a sit back & see whats out for
download.

the excuses are i dont have a editing bone in my body, i tried but i just cant do it, or
why do i have to make a mod when other are making it.

the forum hasnt been the same as it was 2 to 3 years ago, everybody was more
enthusiastic about making mods & giving opinions on work to make the mods better
or almost perfect.

it has strayed from that nowadays becoming more of a newbies forum as many of the great editors have walked away due to whatever reasons they had, lack of respect from members who do nothing but download, or constantly have negative things to say about the work produced, or just plain tired of editing the game.

everybody has their reasons for leaving.

so i dont blame ea, next gen or not im just happy to have a game for pc, rather then doing what ariel has done & run to pes.

aside from looks, pes is the sorriest excuse for a footy game.

im fifa till i die.

 

[FitriMira]

it has strayed from that nowadays becoming more of a newbies forum as many of the great editors have walked away due to whatever reasons they had, lack of respect from members who do nothing but download, or constantly have negative things to say about the work produced, or just plain tired of editing the game.

I agree with this. I also dont blame EA. I found this opinion is true because I created new thread in the mods forum to have a discussion regarding improving bootmodel. Only Me, regularcat, and Keegan took part. Too bad. The conclusion is, the forum is flooded with noob.

This noob is the one who killed this society, not EA.

 

[Generic Oval]

the problem is that the quality of the game itself is low. And that's why editer are disappearing, people are not downloading things anymore, etc: because the game is quite poor and absolutely outdated for 2010 standards.

I totally second that.

Editing is all about motivation and time-planning,
but bad games such as the latest FIFA PC games make it really hard to see a sense on what you are working on.

I've already experienced this for myself.
Back in 2008 I made a league patch for FIFA 09, which originally was expected to feature about 14 new leagues. This sure was an ambitious project, by that time I had already finnished nearly all the graphics so that only rosters were left. Eventually, I was frustated so hard by FIFA 09's awfullness that I lost my motivation after having finnished my priority league (German 3rd League). I cancelled the rest of the project and released it as the "3.Liga Patch".

I can only understand, if experienced editers leave the community or stop starting greater projects.

 

[Nadzlee]

I agree with this. I also dont blame EA. I found this opinion is true because I created new thread in the mods forum to have a discussion regarding improving bootmodel. Only Me, regularcat, and Keegan took part. Too bad. The conclusion is, the forum is flooded with noob.

This noob is the one who killed this society, not EA.

agreed.... most of noobs here are freakin posers....

 

[prockoop]

This noob is the one who killed this society, not EA.

I think 50:50

 

[FitriMira]

I think 50:50

Agree to, but EA still produce FIFA in a way that the game can be run on low specs PC. I love that. Because my PC is not the high end PC. Imagine if EA make FIFA go NG, Ill guess I have to change my PC.

Regarding the noob, all of them just regular user that tried nothing and have nothing to share with fellow mods, editor and others that contribute their works. They noob just visit the forum to see whats new and then download it, and make sometimes request for what they want.

I dont like the fact that they just download and use all the hard works of fellow mods here and sometimes doesn't leave a thank you note or show some appreciation. They show an ungrateful attitude that I think the reason why our greatest mods leave one by one.

 

[Dipanjan]

I actually agree with you Hrvoje Boy!

 

[Outsider 87]

Agree to, but EA still produce FIFA in a way that the game can be run on low specs PC. I love that. Because my PC is not the high end PC. Imagine if EA make FIFA go NG, Ill guess I have to change my PC.

No, you play at Fifa Online or you keep FIFA 10. There is no reason why a videogames company should be stuck with 2003 technologies only to make you play the game!!! I have a low-specs PC too, but if EA SPORTS gives me a good NG game, I'm ready to change my PC, even if I have Xbox360 too...

 

[FitriMira]

@ Outsider > I do agree. But what I meant is the previous FIFA, not the FIFA Online. FIFA Online is suck from what we already heard. But I think maybe EA is waiting for the right time to release NG FIFA for PC. Probably, they already made that NG FIFA, which maybe still a beta. I'll also want to change my PC years ago, but still I dont have enough reason to change it. Maybe with the NG FIFA, I'll have solid reason to change it.

 

[FitriMira]

aside from looks, pes is the sorriest excuse for a footy game.

im fifa till i die.

Me too. PES motion looks too robotic. The ball physics also not that realistic but the net physics is kinda cool. The gameplay also very arcade. Im with regularcat, FIFA till I die.

 

[bruno167]

Just to add i think the increasing "obsession" with credits,permissions to use stuff etc also contributes to the decrease of number edtiors.

I think that starts in Fifa06 with the great billy1969 superpatch.
Amazing patch but many people starts complaining about "stolen things".

In fifa07 more problems with fifa4fans,billy´s chants and soccercrazy stadiums.
Then CEP and lack of collaboration of the community.

More recent the GUIMATOSS converted stadiums in this forum.
And i dont talk about newer kitmakers for example who are acusing of stolen a template.

Most recently the appearence of closed communities like fifa infiny.

Do you think all this gives motivation to new people to start editing?
We should help new editors improving and not push them away.

IMO this is one of the biggest reasons for the dying community.
There are less people willing to share without asking for something in exchange.

I am registred here since 2003 so I remember very well the golden years of FIFA editing. Like Hrvoje said with Ariel,SoccerAccess,SG Download Center.
Great times.

Just look at FM forums. Everyone shares their designs,templates etc with everyone.
Why cant we make the same thing?

 

[jschuck12001]

Look, I respect everyone's opinion but the facts are that this game is just terrible. This years version is so graphically deficient in so many areas that to me it is unplayable. Yes I used all of the addons from Duong but I play on a high powered machine with a 45 in Sony XBR 9 as my monitor and you can tell when someone is trying to put lipstick on a pig. This is the first time I have been back to the site in a while as I have moved to PES. The game is great, graphically its unbelievable as the face textures look better than almost any pc or console game I have ever seen and it so easy to edit and without the constant crashes. The BAL mode is so deep with club and international tournaments that it has a ton of replay value. The only thing with PES is the team limit and I wish some of you guys would come over to the dark side and use your expertise to break it so we could have the best game ever. There is no doubt the FIFA editors are the best but "SOME" of them also take things a little to seriously and they have pushed people away from the site. Bottom line is I appreciate the editing but when you start crying about someone using your work and "I wasnt recognized" it gets a little ridiculous and now you wont have a game to edit after this year because like the dinosaurs, FIFA on the pc has been naturally selected for extinction and I wont miss it.

 

[Outsider 87]

Just to add i think the increasing "obsession" with credits,permissions to use stuff etc also contributes to the decrease of number edtiors.

I think that starts in Fifa06 with the great billy1969 superpatch.
Amazing patch but many people starts complaining about "stolen things".

In fifa07 more problems with fifa4fans,billy´s chants and soccercrazy stadiums.
Then CEP and lack of collaboration of the community.

More recent the GUIMATOSS converted stadiums in this forum.
And i dont talk about newer kitmakers for example who are acusing of stolen a template.

Most recently the appearence of closed communities like fifa infiny.

Do you think all this gives motivation to new people to start editing?
We should help new editors improving and not push them away.

IMO this is one of the biggest reasons for the dying community.
There are less people willing to share without asking for something in exchange.

I am registred here since 2003 so I remember very well the golden years of FIFA editing. Like Hrvoje said with Ariel,SoccerAccess,SG Download Center.
Great times.

Just look at FM forums. Everyone shares their designs,templates etc with everyone.
Why cant we make the same thing?

Sorry but how the hell this should be related to the lack of editers?
Are you telling me that you consider EDITERS those people that steal other works to do their own?
Let's suppose you write a script of a book and it comes in my hands before you pubblish it. I print it and I make the book as it was mine: am I an editer because I am able to print a book? O_o
Was billy an editer because he was able to put together things or was he an editer because he did amazing work with sound? Come on!!!
Most of people that start to be interested in editing world don't go away because they cannot take other works or templates... They don't start editing because they don't have time to improve, there are few people able to understand them, help them to improve rather than insulting them. They finally don't start editing because the game itself is bad!
And remember my words: a man who take kits of some people, banners and logos of other people, make the roster by its own with CM10 and release a cmp (even giving credits to other people) is NOT an editer: he is simply a good data collector, nothing more...
And I can assure you that 90% of people that get into fifaediting for the first time don't know nothing at all about our so called "stupid wars" about credits... They only need, instead, some confidence in their own ability and the patience to wait and to work hard to obtain a real good job!
Do you want my opinion? Most of the time, when it is not the ugliness of the game the main cause, people are not able to become editers simply because there are too many easy tools that give them the possibility to take other works and do NOTHING at all different from taking, downloading, taking and downloading. Once upon a time there were few and poor tools and people had the strong will to make things that were still not released or that simply they found not to difficult to make despite the lack of good programs for that! In the days of Ariel Santarelli it was difficult even to put a damn bmp into an fsh...
Nowadays why someone should become an editer if, after a while, he obtains everything he need? People keep wanting and asking, wanting and asking without giving nothing in exchange...And they are able even to get angry!!! That's why sites like fifa-infinity were born and that's why some good editers are leaving this world: because people have become too fat and don't want to move their a$$ from the chair any more (if you get my metaphore...)!!!

 

[regularcat]

Sorry but how the hell this should be related to the lack of editers?
Are you telling me that you consider EDITERS those people that steal other works to do their own?
Let's suppose you write a script of a book and it comes in my hands before you pubblish it. I print it and I make the book as it was mine: am I an editer because I am able to print a book? O_o
Was billy an editer because he was able to put together things or was he an editer because he did amazing work with sound? Come on!!!
Most of people that start to be interested in editing world don't go away because they cannot take other works or templates... They don't start editing because they don't have time to improve, there are few people able to understand them, help them to improve rather than insulting them. They finally don't start editing because the game itself is bad!
And remember my words: a man who take kits of some people, banners and logos of other people, make the roster by its own with CM10 and release a cmp (even giving credits to other people) is NOT an editer: he is simply a good data collector, nothing more...
And I can assure you that 90% of people that get into fifaediting for the first time don't know nothing at all about our so called "stupid wars" about credits... They only need, instead, some confidence in their own ability and the patience to wait and to work hard to obtain a real good job!
Do you want my opinion? Most of the time, when it is not the ugliness of the game the main cause, people are not able to become editers simply because there are too many easy tools that give them the possibility to take other works and do NOTHING at all different from taking, downloading, taking and downloading. Once upon a time there were few and poor tools and people had the strong will to make things that were still not released or that simply they found not to difficult to make despite the lack of good programs for that! In the days of Ariel Santarelli it was difficult even to put a damn bmp into an fsh...
Nowadays why someone should become an editer if, after a while, he obtains everything he need? People keep wanting and asking, wanting and asking without giving nothing in exchange...And they are able even to get angry!!! That's why sites like fifa-infinity were born and that's why some good editers are leaving this world: because people have become too fat and don't want to move their a$$ from the chair any more (if you get my metaphore...)!!!

well said my friend, its exactly why im a part of fifa-infinity & im not too keen on share publicly anymore.

everyone just relies on you to make something, because they are either too lazy to do it themselves or they supposedly dont know how to do it.

when all they would have to do is ask how to do it, but instead they request you do it, then never give thanks or just plain disrespect your work, when they have absolutely no right considering they are too lazy to make an effort to make something for the community to give back for a change.

im done sharing any major mod i make such as gameplay, w/ the exception of my few friends on the sg forum, until i start seeing the new era of members who think its all about what you can give them, start giving back.

this is an exact resemblance to how the young people of the world are nowadays, just want & take, but do nothing themselves.

its a sad, sad world & the forum is heading in the same direction.

i dont care how bad the game is, the worse it is the better i can make it, im just happy to have a new game.

 

[Sundsvall]

I do agree with Hrvoje om some points, looking back on the HUGE editing stage this, and many other forums, used to be, I can't say EA has listened that much to us. But there's more reasons why the communities have fallen apart, etc:

-editors grow up (many editors are young ppl, like me. I started university etc, and havent got that much time anymore)

-lack of interest and appreciation from the community(some of my threads had a hundred thousand views, compare that to the amount of comments...)

-lack of communication and willingness to collaborate from EA

-lack of communication and willingness to collaborate from the editors (like me back in the days)

-lack of communication and willingness to collaborate between fifa communities(etc. Soccergaming, Breamster and Socceraccess, why didn't they collaborate?)

-Improvement of the quality of the real game! (still the game doesn't meet the requirements of 2010, of course, but hey, compare the kits today and 3-4 years ago, this is a reason why I can feel that I dont have to contribute with kits anymore - they are already fine!)

 

[ExittheLemming]

Lots of interesting perspectives here certainly. I don't find it particularly insightful of those who use a blanket condemnation of 'noobs' for the demise of the FIFA editing community. Let's face it, there were plentiful noobs around in the so called 'golden age' of the forums circa FIFA 07 and we were ALL noobs at one point. What does seem clear is that there is a natural attrition of editors who get older and probably have many other demands on their time. Unfortunately we might be suffering from a lack of fresh young editing talent to replace those who have departed ? For me the death knell for the community was signalled by the following developments:

The version of CEP that locked the database (as if the editors had a copyright on the db file ? Go figure)
The Brazilian site that started charging people for their creations
The well intentioned but ultimately misguided attempts by individuals/sites to package together all the best editing content available on the internet.
The steady and unchallenged proliferation of plain vanilla bad and immature behaviour on the forums. Although there's always been ungrateful idiots round these parts they do appear to have started breeding like whinnying rabbits to the point where I am sure many editors just get sick and tired of their work being belittled by the barely literate.

BTW I am 47 years old and love FIFA on the PC just as much as I ever did. Yes it has many flaws and cannot be enjoyed 'straight from the box' which is why this community is so important as without the kits, gameplay, database and graphical improvements available from this site, it's unlikely I would ever touch my gamepad ever again. (FIFA is the ONLY game I own)