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Confidence

Tom

That Nice Guy
Ok, im probably gonna get shot down for "opening up" here on Soccergaming, but i thought ive talked to some of you on MSN about this, so i thought i might aswell post it here.

Basically, ive always had a massive problem with confidence in doing new things, and its important to note that it is "new" things, when in my element, whether it be at university or at the cinema, im practically over-confident. However, as soon as anything new comes along im rather pathetic. Let me explain.

When i was 7 i changed from a local school to a school my parents taught at, bringing 2 problems. 1. I always had my parents to fall back on, so i didnt learn independence between the ages of 7-11 that every kid should try at. 2. I lived nowhere near my mates, so once school finished; that was it. Back in those days no-one had mobile phones.

When i went to comprehensive (11-16) it didnt help either, unfortunatly i lived a fair few miles away from school, and, despite being again, VERY popular at school, once the bell rang at 3.20 on Fridays, no-one would hear from me until Monday.

For a while this didnt bother me, i plodded along enjoying my school life and the close friends that i had. Until probably around Y10 (14/15years old), when people started "doing stuff", whether this be having their first girlfriend/boyfriend or just going out for a bit, e.g. to the cinema. Living so far away and with too busy parents to take me anywhere AND having never rode a bus before (was always driven places or walked), i was somewhat stranded.

Obviously as i headed into Y11 (16ish), i started to use the bus a little bit, but nowhere near enough to keep up with what were now, rather confident and adult-nearing teenagers. To me it was still easier to stay in and contact people by early use of the net or by mobile phones. (I joined SG when i was 15).

Then i went to college (16-18), this was a big leap in my chracter, from kind-of dorky but all the same loved friend, now i was somewhat more charismatic in that element, and the gulf of this school-to-outside school was increasing. What i mean by that is, because i am (essentially) quite friendly and charismatic, making friends at college was really very easy, and again i was seen as very popular at college. However, AGAIN, i didnt live near the college, meaning while buses where easy to catch during the day, to go out at night with friends would have been extremley hard, so yet again, i started to put it off.

As i entered my second year at college, it hit me that a lot of friends now had relationships and more importantly, MANY (if not all) were going out once a week, drinking and socialising in Rotherham itself (not just on... fields). This is where the probs have started, because i never experienced the "fields" or just "hanging round near bus stops" that almost every kid has experienced, i wasnt ready to start going "down town", because it would have been a stupidly big leap.

Basically i started to get scared, because suddenly i realised that out of college i was like the kid in the supermarket who has lost his mum, you know, for those few little seconds when you are petrifyed? I realised that when people were asking me and i was saying no, i was getting further and further astray.

It also didnt help that id never worked, almost all of my friends had more confidence by having Sat jobs and aqquiring new mates that way around. Instead i still clung on to the traditional "child-like" way of making friends through school.

Basically at the end of college a lot of my friends were going out and i never did, the idea of doing something - such a MASSIVE leap to me such as going into a club scared the **** out of me, because id never had any... prior knowledge. The only way i could describe it is going to the moon without any training, with the distinct possiblity you could die.

I know to you guys this must sound hillarious, but try to understand it from my POV.

Anyway, now at uni i find myself in pretty much the same position, in some contexts ive learnt to be more sociable, i now frequently go to the cinema (something my mates were doing at 13/14) but still, im massively popular at Uni but im known somewhat as a "he never goes out" kind of person.

A good way of describing this is to talk about the party i had last Thursday (check member photo thread). If im gonna be honest with you guys, thats the first "party" ive been to since i was 11. Also, its the first time ive seen any of my mates "drunk".

I know this probably sounds really stupid and infantile, but you have to understand that ive never done anything before, between the ages of 7 and 15 i pretty much had no way of interacting with friends outside of school, mainly i should say due to my parents worries.

Its not just confidence in going out as well. If im gonna be honest, ive never had a girlfriend, nor have i ever asked one out. Mainly because i dont know how! I was talking to a girl at this party the other day for ages, afterwards my mate hit me, saying "she was totally coming on to you for AGES and you did **** all about it!?", but, and im being honest here, i had no idea. ITs not that i couldnt read the signs, i didnt even know there were any.

See, i never had all that "my mate wants to go out with your mate", becayse almost all of that went on OUTSIDE of school, hence going back to my underlying problem. Ive never asked anyone out, because mainly, i wouldnt know how to do it AND, again id be scared of what came after it because id never done it before, which once again leads to anxiety-attack symptons.

Some of you may know i used to play cricket, did i ****, i played two games. Again my confidence got the better of me, when i knew i was playing on the Sunday, id worry all week at what might happen because it was "unknown" until i got into such a state that i couldnt do it anymore, because i was so terrifyed of what i dont know.

Its the same with anything new, especially stuff thats done after dark. Now, i know that sounds silly but think about it from my perspective, as a kid i never went out after .... say 8pm, even with family. Also, i finished college/uni at around 5ish at the latest, so never late. So while it sounds silly, even NIGHT is somewhat of an unkown for me, also creating anxiety.

What im tryingt to get at here is that anything i dont know is totally petrifying to me, no matter HOW much my mates tell me its ok, i cant do it. E.g. asking someone out, actually HAVING a girlfriend, having sex, going to a club, go to a football match and on and on. Simply a massive list, think of anything new and im likely to be scared of doing it.

Take me on SG here, this to me is totaly easy, because its something i know. Ive been to the cinema... 50 times or so in my life, to me that is totally easy. HOWEVER, tell me to go to a new cinema in central and Sheffield and thats different, suddenly thats something new and im unsure, i KNOW there is no rational reason for me to be scared, it is simply the unknow that is scaring me.

I AM trying to change, going to the party on Thursday was a big thing for me, with my mate Beccas help to make sure i didnt get too worried, i was able to have a great time once i was there (which is interesting) but again i wasnt sure of what would happen later in the night, and again a bit of apprehencion creeped in. Finally, it got the better of me and after a great match i managed to get a lift home instead of sleeping over, again heres another one for you - ive never slept at any house but my own, so, again that made me anxious. Having said this it was still a big thing for me, and im happy bout it.

Also getting a job over xmas and getting work experience was a big step forward, all of a sudden i could no longer rely on the same things that made me popular at school, and unsurprisngly i didnt make friends as easily in the two work places as i did in my "normal" environment. Despite this, i enjoyed both, mainly (IMO) because they were during the day AND in places i knew (Meadowhall and a part of Sheffield).

Basically i need to change, next year im going into a house with my friends and they assure me ill come on leaps and bounds, but to be honest i dont wanna rely on that because there will always be the incentive to "stay in my room", and i can just see me chickening out like that if my mate becca isnt there!

Some of my friends suggest i go and see "someone", maybe a psychologist or a doctor, to try and get confidence-related help, but the ironic thing about that is that that itself makes me nervous because it is a place i dont know, someone i dont know, and as subject i dont know. Even writing in this thread im unsure about because ive never said this to anyone (like this).

Before you all reply with the following, i might aswell get it out of the way. MOST people simply say; "face your fear", and yes, its obviously the best way as i found out at the party, however, it simply isnt that easy for some people who find so many things scary. If it was just one thing, say, spiders. Then that would be ok, but you have to understand this is almost all aspects of my world, essentially im living in a world of fear, which is getting pathetic. My mate said to me the other day; "so what would you do if someone DID ask you out", and i had to be honest, id say no. Because id get so panicked about what it all meant (spending time with someone, buying stuff, appearing good, being funny) that it just would scare me, and my mate couldnt understand - which was hardly helpful.

Anyway, not sure what im really asking you guys, but in a sense im just finally telling you who the real Tom is. I may appear friendly, at ease and to be honest, quite confident on the forum, but the real Tom is a very different person :(

Thanks for listening guys.
 

Daz

Everyone's Favourite Diabetic
To a certain extent i can completely understand what you're saying. i didn't struggle to make friends at school or college either, but i found that i got stuck between two groups; all GOOD friends, but no GREAT or BEST friends. I've struggled slightly different problems, more due to lack of motivation and direction which have completely distracted me from thinking about confidence. I'm naturally a very cynical person; it runs in the family, but it appears that everyone has the impression that i'm a very confident and enthusiastic person which is incredibly frustrating because then they start expecting things from me i know i can't deliver.

The whole "face your fear" thing has always been a load of bollocks to me, if i went out and just completely faced my fear of talking to random girls i don't know then i'd just make a complete fool out of myself. It's a process, something that has to be worked on and built up until you really feel you're ready, and if that moment doesn't seem to come you have to do it sometime but with preperation.
 

rpvankasteren

Fan Favourite
You will have to start realising that doing new stuff could be really good fun, not just frightening. If you're not at ease doing totally new stuff, there's usually ways of having new stuff mingle in with things you're more comfortable with. Go see Liverpool at Anfield with some mates (or Rotherham with some people who don't care about quality of football), go see a film with people, maybe even a girl, have a party at your house. "Face your fear" is alright, one step at a time.
There is plenty of stuff that's not going to be good, but hiding from their existence is not doing any good to you either, it's making you miss out on all the really good stuff too.
 

Tom

That Nice Guy
well i totally agree, i mean its not that im "missing out", im practically leading a Half-life at the minute.

I thought Rotherham might be somewhere i can go, next season i want to go to Bramall Lane regularly if Sheff Utd get promoted, i feel that will really help my confidence amongst new people.

You know, at 11 i was tipped as one of the best up and coming tennis kids in Yorkshire, but i never turned up at this club i was joining due to confidence, thats the one major thing i regret in my life because after that, i got fat.

What im saying is, thats sometime im attempting to focus my issues on, cos that is something that i dont want to happen again, to turn down an opportunity :(
 

Tom

That Nice Guy
another thing for the Brits here.

Those of you who have seen the "life gets a lot better when you say yes" advert? you know the one with the guy who clearly wants to comitt suicide.

Thats who i want to be, i still want to be the same old tom, but have the ability to randomly say "yes" to things, and not immediatly "no".

Weird i know, but a good explanation of where i want to be.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Social Anxiety Disorder. Get some pills from a psychiatrist, you'll feel a lot better and notice changes pretty fast. Other than that, the only thing you can do is "face your fears". Just know that your mates are always there with you, so if you find out that everyone at a party/bar sucks, then you still can have a good time with your friends.
 

mika

Senior Squad
are you asking how to be confident and approach a girl you don't know so you can get laid?

for me what makes me a confident person is going to the gym, wearing nice clothes, looking good, having money in my pocket, and good education

but still you also have to be able to read a girl, especially someone you don't know, you gotta know the look a girl gives when she likes you, if she smiles or looks at you and then looks away and then looks at you again you have to go for it approach and say hey hows it going, just talk with her like you talk with one of your friends, normal, calm, and relaxed

get to know her see if she is retarded or not and then sometimes peoples personalities connect and sometimes not so if not you just gotta try again

I dunno for me it is just obvious when a girl is attracted to me I can just see it, it is like a writing appears on her forhead saying: "I like you"

I use to be not confident, scared of girls and calling people on the phone, ordering pizza, talking, I was like super shy, but it just went away and it is complete opposite now
 

Tom

That Nice Guy
I really dont wanna take pills and get dependent on them, just sounds awful lol. Like i say hopefully this will get a lot better next year when i shall have to face my fears, i intend to update this thread with how im getting on, pretty much like TROD's Driving Diary.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
It's not a habit forming pill that will have bad effects on your life. If you really do have Social Anxiety Disorder, and it really sounds like you might, then you have a chemical imbalance that would be better for you if it was corrected. The only way to do that, pills.
 

Voltaic Borusse

Fan Favourite
Meds aren't always the best solution. I took them for Schizoid Personality Disorder a few years back and they did Carlos. Though, the severity of my SPD has dwindled quite a bit over the years, so it's less of a problem now. But I can kind of relate to your situation, Tom. Just take the advice from the guys above.
 

leungtl

Manager
Staff member
Just out of interest, do your parents know you struggle with Anxiety and if so, what have they suggested you do?
 
I

IceBlu

Guest
You really need to put yourself in a situation you fear most to get over it Tom.

A girlfriend will change everything. You'll be more confident and you'll face the situations you've feared over the years without thinking too much about it.

I know what must be going through your mind. You must be imagining and replaying possible social situations which make you anxious over and over. The mind can play crazy games on you. Situations like going out, talking to the opposite sex, dancing are some of the common situations which affect people with "Social anxiety disorder".

Zoloft is a non habit forming medication which fixes the chemical imbalance like Shifty said. But that alone is not going to make you outgoing overnight. You''ll need to put in an effort and be in the social circle. Only other people can make you feel good about yourself. Preferably those you "fear" the most. I stress again, a girl will do a lot of good to you. But to get a girlfriend you have to confront your fear. Girls like confidence. If they don't see that exude from you, they'll shy away. The key is to be comfortable in your skin. Like who you are. You know you are a likable person so you need the right people to realize that. If need be, do something to make yourself feel better about who you are. Start working out regularly, buy some good clothes... hell get a new hairdo. Just anything that you think will make YOU feel better.

Its a wrong perception that only the ripped, adonis-like men can get women. While its a tad easier for a good looking man to approach a woman, the rest is an even playing field. Girls get bored real soon. Even if you can't get into a relationship, make friends with a couple of girls. They don't need to be the ones you necessarily find attractive at this point. Any girl can help you get over the initial fear and once you realize they aren't really that hard to approach, you will feel more secure about yourself.

Stop scrutinizing your past. Looking back and what could have instigated these series of events won't help. You'll only find a reason not a cure.

This isn't something unheard of. Its fairly common and at least you're addressing the problem now instead of living your indoor life at a time where you should be enjoying.

I would recommend you to visit a psychiatrist. A psychologist can help you with theraphy and other non-intrusive methods. A psychiatrist is a qualified doctor who can prescribe Zoloft (or the UK equivalent) to you.

Don't let this carry on. Don't let another weekend go by without you doing something. Even if its just hanging out with your friends, show that you're interested and get off your ass and just go! Don't think about what could happen. Just bite the bullet. Trust me, even if you aren't comfortable right away, in due course of time you'll see that none of those situations are scary after all.

PS: I congratulate you for posting about it here.
 

sportgaming

Official
Tom

If we go back 3 years in my life, I was in precisely the same situation. I had good friends, while in school / uni, but basically as soon as ome time came, that was it, and as you said I didn;t see them until the next morning.

I have always put that down to not being true to myself, and not feeling completly relaxed with the person I am.

At Uni I was living a 2 hour commute away from the college, simply because I was scared of becoming too independant,

this only changed when I moved to Bristol for the only work placement that I coudl get, and my 1st form of any job

I don;t mind admitting that during that time away for the 1st month I would cry myself to sleep at night, but it all made me stronger in the ling run.


From the conversations we have had, the feeling comfortable with yourself could be part of the explanation behind how you are feeling. There is no doubt in my mind that moving away from parents will make a huge deiference for you as it did for me, for the 1st time I had a social life away from school mates and family, and this was at age 20

The best advise I was every given when going through that spell, was be yourself, and be happy with the person that you are. You have to be honest with yourself, and don;t try to be someone who everyone expects or thinks you to be. You are the only one who knows the person you are, so be that person

Probaly the only reason you haven;t asked anyone out, is that you havenl;t met the right one.

Just because everyone is going out sleeping with people, and getting partners, doesn;t mean that you have to. When you meet the right person, then everything happens so naturally, and it feels like those things have been happenning for years, so you are more comfirtable with it
 

champdave

SG Sheffield Authority
It's alright Tom, I'm coming next year so we can cry over a cup of tea and some biscuits :p

I think (don't quote me on this) that you're also looking for a kind of social acceptance in to what is the "norm," like you're a student, so you have to party every living minute of the day. This in turn affects your self-esteem and your image because you think you aren't normal if you don't go to them. I myself don't particularly like going clubbing or going to parties, not really my thing, and I hate getting absolutely bladdered. For me, I'd rather watch a film with mates, play music, jam with mates etc. People say I'm not the kind to go out that much, but that's because I don't go to the centre of town every night to go clubbing. I take my drum kit or my guitar round mates houses and jam, which I find a lot more fun and 'enriching' (can't think of the exact word I want, sorry) than going out on the tiles. Plus in town now, certainly in Nice, there are a ton of chavs which I don't particularly like :(

Couple of clichéd things to sum it all up:
- If you don't like the OMG i g0t w4st3d!!!!11!11!111one!! lifestyle, it's not your fault. Learn how to play keyboard and we can jam next year!
- Accept yourself for who you are, and not who society wants you to be.

I'll turn off mother mode now and go make my lunch :$
 

Lean

Fan Favourite
Took me a while to get a social life. All i can say is, once you it gets going, it really gets going. Getting a job and living away from your parents will help a bit. There are situations where you'll HAVE to take a bus, no matter what, and this is where you learn.

2 years ago i started taking the bus to go to school, at the mornings. The first day i took the wrong one and i ended up at a place in the middle of nowhere. But you'll learn, dont be afraid. One day where you dont have nothing to do, figure out a place you would like to visit, and take a bus. If you end up messing up, find a way back. Those stuff you learn easily. Now i'm taking the bus to go to places in the other side of town, things like that. Also, took a LONG LONG time to ask a girl aswell, and not surprisingly enough, it was when there wasnt another option. She was fit, nice titties, nice arse (very nice arse), not too cute in terms of face, but hell, anyone here would love to bang her. My mate came and said : "Man, she's into you, come on, are you going to ask her or what? Do sumethin!", and I replied : "I'm waiting for an opportunity".

Then my mind was set. I was going for it. And all of a sudden, she was alone at the swimming pool, at a corner. I approached her, talked a bit, took her hand, then i said the crappiest thing i could've ever said to a girl : "So...what do you think...you and me...any chance?", and for my surprise, she smiled, looked down a bit, and then raised her head and said : "Yea, guess so". That was my first time. Today all i know is that i'm a great kisser muahaha. Of course, being a good guitar player and a good singer helps a bit (modesty modesty...).

It's just a matter of experiencing new stuff. And this year, one day after my birthday, i got laid with a girl in a car. You sound just like me about 4 years ago. Anyway, if you wanna talk a bit more about it, MSN is [email protected].

Takes a lot of balls to post those stuff you did aswell.
 

Tom

That Nice Guy
thanks guys, response ive got here means a lot.

I suppose you've all touched on the same thing that i just cant let this go on, as Yash (and others suggested), im gonna try saying yes to simple things that my mates suggest, maybe going out straight away and getting a girlfriend is a little out of my immediate scope right now (which it is), but just "hanging" with mates and almost, experiencing "later" nights can prepare me that little bit more. Maybe just going to a pub until closing time will get me to relax a bit in those situations.

I figure, if im comfortable going to almost every place at every time, then that will essentially make me more confident when i do attempt to get a girlfriend, because wherever she wants to go or whatever she wants to do, im gonna be able to do it. Obviously when i do finally get in a relationship im not exactly going to be GOOD at it, but at least ill learn and if i find the right girl, im sure she'd understand to some extent.

Just to clarify Yash, making friends i have no problem with, like i say i honestly am the most friendly person you'll ever meet and i have lots of close female friends who are giving the same advice as you. The prob is that at the minute i cant determine anything between someone whos a friend and someone who is obviously giving me the looks lol

Like i say though i dont want to focus on that, it isnt my interest at the min to have a girlfriend, i simply want to get more confident in what i do. In just over a years time i want to be going into Journalism, one of the most confident-driven job sectors in the world, so instead of being scared im simply gonna do what i do with stuff like exams; if it all seems to be going ****, laugh dont cry (H)

Actually, ive got through many things in my life (driving test etc) with laughter, maybe I should try it more! I was talking to my friends the other day, and I was saying how hard it must be to teach secondary school children due to their behaviour (11-16yr olds).

They said; "not really Tom, the first thing you learn is that if you go into that room acting confident, they cant touch you, even if you arent actually confident at all!", and to be honest, they're totally correct. The best teachers/lecturers are the ones who are confident, and i just thought it was a very interesting comment to make. Just thought id share that!
 

Zlatan

Fan Favourite
I know how it feels, TBH I have it myself a few times aswell. But I'm not really bothered about it as much as you (seem) to do. Mainly because I think 'it' will come someday. I just lose myself in playing computer games, listening to punk rock( :p ), and having fun only at school but never outside. Then again it's probably completely diffrent for you cause your at Uni already and I'm still at school.

Good luck anyway, I think you'll come over it someday and hang around in bars all night long. :)
 
V

Virgo

Guest
Well I went through similar stuff in the late teens. The over-anxiety got so bad I started having panic attacks and a bit of arrythmea(sp?) at times.

Went to a doctor and he told me to stop drinking coffee unless strictly necessary and gave me some anxiety/relaxation pills.

It worked and it didn't get me addicted to them. You feel like you, you just stop being so anxious and nervous about things. You also stop caring so much about what the other people think about you. It improves your confidence a lot.
 

Tom

That Nice Guy
Hmm, seems a few of us have had similar "issues", i think im gonna try and be much better over the next few months, just really push myself with my mates help.

IF i still cant do it, or i bottle it, then thats when ill have to think about pills to help. I'm just gonna go for it over the next few months cos i dont want to be pathetic going into my last year at uni.
 

Jambo Den

Fan Favourite
So, while we're helping each other out...

Anyone wanna help me with my wanking problem? I'm like a pneumatic drill on ma waj! :(
 


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