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Clear evidence of CPU Cheating--->
- Thread starter Keemo
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sanblaster
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Yep, I know what you mean. Not to mention how they stand up after fighting aerial balls with you, it seems like they have a rocket stuck inside their arse while yours seem to weigh 2 tons and stand up in slow-motion. It's really dissapointing because I think there's no need of that.
I vote for a new feature on PES4: doping tests for CPU players from 4 star mode and on. It's IMPOSSIBLE that Costacurta runs faster than Roberto Carlos only because he's got the ball on his feet (and he's also controlled by me, the st00pid human
)
I vote for a new feature on PES4: doping tests for CPU players from 4 star mode and on. It's IMPOSSIBLE that Costacurta runs faster than Roberto Carlos only because he's got the ball on his feet (and he's also controlled by me, the st00pid human
)your player has made this animation because the keeper should have kicked the ball away. but because of the other defense player the keeper misses the ball- but your player still do his animation - he thinks the ball is kicked away!!!
i think its rather a bug, than a cheat by the cpu!! its just another point, which konami can optimize in pes 4
i think its rather a bug, than a cheat by the cpu!! its just another point, which konami can optimize in pes 4
And I thought you actually had something to prove the CPU cheating...jeez.
That is everything but cheating.Haven't you seen that happen A LOT in reality?Cause I have.
The attacker sees both the defender and the GK on the ball before him and of course he expects that they control it ,so he stops.But suddenly ,the ball goes loose and the attacker has no time nor the reflexes to react because he had already stopped.The defender easily clears the ball before the confused and surprised attacker reaches it.
It does happen.
That is quite the opposite of cheating.You have shown us coverage of Konami's skill.See in FIFA ,you control your player all the time ,so you can run wherever you want.That isn't very realistic.In PES ,you lose control of the player so he stops.Why?Because that is exactly what a player would do in reality.He'd stop.It's a lost ball.Adding a certain level of realism to the game.That's what it is.Not cheating.
You just get bad results and you decide to blame the CPU rather than work on your own play.
That is everything but cheating.Haven't you seen that happen A LOT in reality?Cause I have.
The attacker sees both the defender and the GK on the ball before him and of course he expects that they control it ,so he stops.But suddenly ,the ball goes loose and the attacker has no time nor the reflexes to react because he had already stopped.The defender easily clears the ball before the confused and surprised attacker reaches it.
It does happen.
That is quite the opposite of cheating.You have shown us coverage of Konami's skill.See in FIFA ,you control your player all the time ,so you can run wherever you want.That isn't very realistic.In PES ,you lose control of the player so he stops.Why?Because that is exactly what a player would do in reality.He'd stop.It's a lost ball.Adding a certain level of realism to the game.That's what it is.Not cheating.
You just get bad results and you decide to blame the CPU rather than work on your own play.
First off Keemo, there is no reason to get angry.
He does have a great point, and I believe the answer to what you are saying.
Basically during a graphic, there is the actual play you control and then there are animations and movements you cant control.
Each team has eleven players. So you are only controlling one, the rest are moved as animations.
What happens is, when the goalie is close to the balll, he has two options: kick or hold the ball, the ball was closer, and before you could gain control of your player, the animation began for the goalie. Just because he had 2 options there that is why that happened.
As pointed out, thats what happens in real life most times as well, the player just gives up on it, because its just a strange shot, you might hit the goalie by accident as well, thats a red.
Looking at that more times, its clear the CPU defenders animation had began before you, (explaining the reason).
He cleared, and the his motion began very quickly after he had deflected the ball by accident, abit before u were ready to hit it.
He does have a great point, and I believe the answer to what you are saying.
Basically during a graphic, there is the actual play you control and then there are animations and movements you cant control.
Each team has eleven players. So you are only controlling one, the rest are moved as animations.
What happens is, when the goalie is close to the balll, he has two options: kick or hold the ball, the ball was closer, and before you could gain control of your player, the animation began for the goalie. Just because he had 2 options there that is why that happened.
As pointed out, thats what happens in real life most times as well, the player just gives up on it, because its just a strange shot, you might hit the goalie by accident as well, thats a red.
Looking at that more times, its clear the CPU defenders animation had began before you, (explaining the reason).
He cleared, and the his motion began very quickly after he had deflected the ball by accident, abit before u were ready to hit it.
I'm not denying the fact that yes they need to get rid of that, and yes it is wrong and some could say that part is not realistic.
What I was saying was just simply stating the reasons why that was the case. (the animations taking over and the fact that as much as we want full control, sometimes due to some factors the control of a player is lost)
I dont know if they can fix that.
I hope they can, I just think there are too many good things for that to take away the fun.
What I was saying was just simply stating the reasons why that was the case. (the animations taking over and the fact that as much as we want full control, sometimes due to some factors the control of a player is lost)
I dont know if they can fix that.
I hope they can, I just think there are too many good things for that to take away the fun.
ok..you do have to say though that you do have control over your players on most instances, but yeah when you get into that one area the computer does some questionable things.
I think its more fair to call it a bug though, and its more fair to say that more programming could have gone it to solve that problem.
To say its a cheat however is to say that konami did that on purpose and i just dont think that is logical, fair or accurate.
I think they could have programmed this better, so you did have the control on that situation, to say its a CPU cheat is going far.
I think its more fair to call it a bug though, and its more fair to say that more programming could have gone it to solve that problem.
To say its a cheat however is to say that konami did that on purpose and i just dont think that is logical, fair or accurate.
I think they could have programmed this better, so you did have the control on that situation, to say its a CPU cheat is going far.
i disagree, to call it a bug undermines KCET's programming ability - I think they are fully aware of what they have programmed here and the reasons they have programmed it this way is that it is the best solution they could come up with at the moment to give the cpu team a chance
there are countless examples of this sort of temporary paralysis of your player and some are far more absurd than keemo's example - but they have to be there otherwise most of us would be thrashing the cpu 10-0 on level 5
on the one hand, kcet should be congratulated for programming it this way to make the game more challenging but on the other hand, when you can see and feel that you are not controlling your guy for those critical half-seconds, it's difficult not to feel frsutrated
there are countless examples of this sort of temporary paralysis of your player and some are far more absurd than keemo's example - but they have to be there otherwise most of us would be thrashing the cpu 10-0 on level 5
on the one hand, kcet should be congratulated for programming it this way to make the game more challenging but on the other hand, when you can see and feel that you are not controlling your guy for those critical half-seconds, it's difficult not to feel frsutrated
I agree with zka about why this happened. It's clear that your player stopped because the keeper had started his animation to pick up the ball, and your player wasn't already in an animation to kick the ball, therefore stopped. I honestly believe the same would happen to the CPU player so it cannot be called a cheat, just a bug - dodgy programming.
Of course if this was at the other end happening to the cpu, most people would just laugh or cheer cos they've just been saved from a certain goal, and not accuse their own players of cheating.
Of course if this was at the other end happening to the cpu, most people would just laugh or cheer cos they've just been saved from a certain goal, and not accuse their own players of cheating.
The first thing I did was looking up who number 24 of Bayern München is. Pizarro. I suspected it was a matter of low response, but he has 85. His agility was even higher. Maybe his reaction? He has a special attribute star for reaction. Was his mentallity arrow grey (down)? If not, I have no idea. In what minute did this happen? Maybe it was a matter of fatique? Maybe zka is right.
I don't know
I don't know
man just admit it and dont force yourself to find silly explanations.
The cpu just cheats in pes3. It so damn frustrating at times. It takes over control of your player at crucial times and sometimes it just blocks your gamepad
I hope in pes4 they find a other way to make the game hard, becasue this ruins the beatifull gameplay at times.
The cpu just cheats in pes3. It so damn frustrating at times. It takes over control of your player at crucial times and sometimes it just blocks your gamepad
I hope in pes4 they find a other way to make the game hard, becasue this ruins the beatifull gameplay at times.
It blocks your gamepad?? 
I agree the CPU goes in some kind of turbo-mode when it is 5 minutes from time: I already wrote that a year ago about previous versions and yes that's annoying, very annoying, like it has just played a bit with you. But I am still not convinced that this 'turbomode' is cheating. As long as I find ways to play against that kind of things I do believe we still missed something.
Like I told in another post, I found a proper way of doing slidings without beeing fouled (even in turbotime ).
I simply do not believe that Konami made a brilliant game and spoiled it at the same time by cheap cheating. I am programmer myself and I know you easily can program the AI in such a way that is is stronger than humans. Without cheating.
So now you know why I do not believe in the cheating-theory
I agree the CPU goes in some kind of turbo-mode when it is 5 minutes from time: I already wrote that a year ago about previous versions and yes that's annoying, very annoying, like it has just played a bit with you. But I am still not convinced that this 'turbomode' is cheating. As long as I find ways to play against that kind of things I do believe we still missed something.
Like I told in another post, I found a proper way of doing slidings without beeing fouled (even in turbotime
). I simply do not believe that Konami made a brilliant game and spoiled it at the same time by cheap cheating. I am programmer myself and I know you easily can program the AI in such a way that is is stronger than humans. Without cheating.
So now you know why I do not believe in the cheating-theory
I don't know why Keemo is angry ,but I still think what I said.
I am surprised that he says that he's never seen a player quit the chase before.That's odd.You can even see it in the Champions League matches.
So don't say that only "my teams" give up all the time.All players give up sometimes.Not everyone has the will nor the strength to pursue the ball till the end.They see that they can't get to it before the goalie and they stop running.It's only a reasonable thing to do.
Also ,I think Han might have a good point.PES3 is so realistic that the situation might have occured due to tiredness or something like that...
I am surprised that he says that he's never seen a player quit the chase before.That's odd.You can even see it in the Champions League matches.
So don't say that only "my teams" give up all the time.All players give up sometimes.Not everyone has the will nor the strength to pursue the ball till the end.They see that they can't get to it before the goalie and they stop running.It's only a reasonable thing to do.
Also ,I think Han might have a good point.PES3 is so realistic that the situation might have occured due to tiredness or something like that...