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CL: Liverpool v Benfica (P+R)

RuiCosta_10

Starting XI
::shinji:: said:
One of the players that impressed me most yesterday is Moretto. I thought it was the first time since coming over from Setubal that he actually looked like a worthwhile signing. Made some crucial saves, gathered crosses, always looked relaxed and confident..

'm still not convinced of Beto's performance yesterday, maybe I judge him too hard but I saw a player that loses possesion often, gains possesion then quickly gives the ball back, makes unnecessary hard tackles, etc.. Ok, he might not be the worst, but any ordinary DM in Portugal could do the same job as he does.

Laurent Robert was the worst for me though. He was a complete non-factor in the game and we produced nothing on the right wing which made our counters a bit predictable, especially in the first half.

Nuno Gomes, out next match. Does anyone even care at this point? He was very poor yesterday too.

Anderson, Leo, Luisao ---> rock solid.


I still didn't liked Moretto, he made a couple of decent saves, but there's a situation in a cross that looked like so many others where he isn't clearly safe... Still, not bad.

About the defense they were fine but like nikeportugal said Liverpool did win to much air game, yes, they have Crouch but i expected Luisão/Anderson wouldn't let him get to every ball, but they were fantastic in the rest, tatically they were great, especially Anderson, always in the way of the ball, great vision he has... I still prefer Ricardo Rocha over him (probably i'm being biased cause he's Portuguese), but Anderson is a very reliable CB, very good player... In the FB positions, Léo was the usual (great), and Alcides, heh, he was fine, it would be much better if Koeman put Nélson, not much worst defending, and miles better attacking, also if the idea is to gain aereal game, well, we can always remember the game against sporting where Alcides was just :| ... Anyway, good game of him.

In the midfield, Beto, what can i say, LEGEND (H), one of that players that will always be remembered in the future, not for the best reasons though, but we must admit he playes with everything there, and we must give him credit at least for that, as for the rest it's the usual, he's really bad :(, can't make a decent 1 mtr pass, can't control a ball, hardly can do a clean tackle, well... Manuel Fernandes is the beast! This kid is absolutely phenomenal, great passing, great positioning, great fighting spirit, and great thecnique, not to mention his cannon foot, just great. Robert was bad, unless he has a free kick or some opurtunities to have a good shot he will always be like this... :S

As for Simão, fantastic! :Bow: A goal "à Simão", very mobile and fast in the attack, and he also defended a lot, yep, this is the Simão we need. What a goal!!

In the attack, i actually think Nuno was pretty good, but he also has that kind of "paragens cerebrais" when he could shot from Simão's cross, or then, pass it to Léo(?) that was in the left, he loses way to much time thinking what to do in the area, Nuno you have a good shot, so... But played very well in general imo. Geovanni is a great striker, always pressuring the oponents defence waiting for the error (ex: Simão goal), and he's also very spontaneous wich makes him very unpredictable, like in his shot to the bar (Nuno would probably stop the ball, hold it for some more seconds, and play backwards, or lose it :p).

Karagounis entered pretty well, but somehow i have the sensation he only playe well when he come in as a sub... :S Anyway, he entered with a lot of heart as usual and his passing, vision and capacity to hold the ball are great, good sub he was.

Mi-Mi-Mi-Miccoli-Miccoli!! (H) He HAS to start.

Also, a word to Liverpool fans, that right after Benfica's second goal they all started to sing the "You'll Never Walk Alone" :Bow: that was just :o to me, a mentality only seen by most of the Ultras here in Portugal... I have tons of respect for Liverpool, and i wish you the best luck...

Edit -- Sorry for the long post

Obrigado Mágico Benfica por mais uma noite Mágica!
 

Johnny_Big

Starting XI
Punkt: Uma coisa é o Sporting como estava quando lá estava o Peseiro. Outra coisa é com o Paulo Bento.

Azia? Até fiquei feliz, e sou "leão". Mas claro, como sou doutro clube, no fundo no fundo, não gostamos...admitam lá...defendemos é o nosso clube.
 
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Virgo

Guest
no sorry I had no problem rooting for Porto in their Uefa and CL campaigns and the majority of Porto supporters are even more anti-benfica twats than Sporting fans.

Oh and I'd take Peseiro over Paulo Bento anyday of the week if I had to pick one for Benfica. That arrogant mourinho wannabe c*nt makes me sick.
 

Johnny_Big

Starting XI
Yeah, me neither. I remember when Derlei scored the winning goal in Sevilla, I yelled like it was from my team. Even my mom asked: "Sporting is playing?" :lui:

Paulo Bento reorganized the team. That's what we needed.
Peseiro had no control over the players. I always said, he is a great coach...but sometimes, things don't go right, and luck isn't on his side.
 

INFESTA

Official
I was super happy with Benfica's win last night. Congrats lads! :)

Didn't feel this proud about a club other than my own in an european night since Benfica beat Arsenal in London, thanks to Isaías! :jap:
I got no probs saying this, mainly because you should not be afraid to speak the truth. I also don't have a problem if any homie decides to root for the foreign club who is facing is domestic rival. This is a democracy, right?
As for our domestic league, that is a different issue and we all know it. Burn, lagartos and lampioes, burn.

Just one quick note: Moretto is great between the posts, especially in his positioning, but he's so crap at crosses it even hurts. Really, he's just a mediocre keeper overall. A lucky one, since he's blunders are always washed away because, unlike Baía, they haven't costed his team a loss yet, but still mediocre.
 

nikeportugal

Club Supporter
Put me down for thinking GOMES was great yesterday.

Yes.. i said it.. great.

What a goal by simao yes... but who got the ball in the middle of the pitch.. faked a bullet shot only to rocket a pass to simao instead??

Then isntead of watching simao surrounded by 2 defenders... GOMES runs like a bat out of hell (OFF THE BALL) to simao's left.. bringing his defender across the TWO that were on SIMAO and also making the two on simao stop for a SPLIT SECOND to think about covering gomes.. .THAT IS THE PLAY that allowed simao to poke it to his right and have a clear shooting lane...

If not for that pass and run off the ball by gomes.. the shot would never have happened.. don't forget that.

SO .. I'd say that first goal was just as much gomes' as it was simao's.

And that's what my point is... you don't have to score as a striker to have a great night... actually i'd say that if you do things off the ball and passing wise that you DON'T have to do as a striker.. that makes you even BETTER!

Also... his yellow card.. absolute BULL ****!! Horrible call .. we all saw that he was clearly onside... there was a sure goal that you all would have been praising him for as well!! 8)

I hope they appeal the card or something because it can't be a delay of game if the guy was clearly onside and knew it.. even if the ref blew the whistle.. like you guys said.. it's friggen loud in that stadium.

I'd appeal, one cus it's a BS call that wasn't offside and screwed us of a goal, two because even if the ref made a **** call and blew the whistle he easily can't hear it when everybody is getting roudy over the possible break-away.

So VIVA GOMES... he played a brilliant game that most people won't notice just looking at the score sheet.
 

Tiago_10

Senior Squad
That's true. Nuno Gomes plays very well off the ball. And yes, he did take one or two defenders with him in the first goal, but it seems exagerated to give him the same credit as Simão in that play.

Then again, if the linesman had seen the other play correctly he would've probably scored (he was 1 on 1 with the keeper) and people would think higher of him in that game because he scored. Nevertheless, one player cannot be judged for one match and Nuno has nothing to prove, he's a top player and one who really loves the club.
 
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Virgo

Guest
naw gave away too many balls.

For instance the first Liverpool play that resulted in a shot at the post was due to a stupid ball loss by him in our bloody midfield when the team was going on counterattack.
 

Luis Ah-Hoy

Senior Squad
Tiago_10 said:
That's true. Nuno Gomes plays very well off the ball. And yes, he did take one or two defenders with him in the first goal, but it seems exagerated to give him the same credit as Simão in that play (...) he's a top player and one who really loves the club.

Top player? Nuno Gomes is a top player? Are you saying that he's at RVN level, for instance? Because RVN is, indeed a top player... but Nuno Gomes is miles behind him!! :confused:

He may play very well off the ball, but with the ball he's nothing special... and i think he was crappy in that particular game... correction: in the CL games, he's always a crap!!! He doesn't score, he can't dribble and he doesn't assist... he only makes good off the ball runs.... tsc tsc... :rolleyes:
 

nikeportugal

Club Supporter
If you asked me if I wanted a good (even average) player who makes smart plays and runs off the ball to create scoring chances.. i'll take him any day.

And if RVN is Van Nistelroy.. i'd take gomes over him a million times over! :jambo:
 

Luis Ah-Hoy

Senior Squad
nikeportugal said:
If you asked me if I wanted a good (even average) player who makes smart plays and runs off the ball to create scoring chances.. i'll take him any day.

Nistelrooy also makes smart runs and creates goalscoring opportunities to his colleagues... plus, he scores much more than Nuno Gomes and he's stronger and more skilled (for instance, he can control the ball and dribble relatively better than Nuno Gomes)! :rolleyes:

nikeportugal said:
And if RVN is Van Nistelroy.. i'd take gomes over him a million times over! :jambo:

Thank God for the Man Utd fans that you're not the manager... :)
 

nikeportugal

Club Supporter
Well I watch quite a few Manchester games cus i like to watch Ronaldo play obviously... and every time I see Nistelroy play he doesn't run off the ball.. i've actually seen him miss shots completely many times.. and he definately doesn't create plays.

Unless you count his HORID shot in Manchester's last game that he (completely) missed so badly that it ended up being a perfect pass for a player who DOES make runs off the ball.. AND gave him the pass in the first place that put Nistelroy in a scoring chance.. that player was RONALDO. I dunno if you saw that game though.

Actually many times Nistelroy is so innefective I barely even notice he's on the pitch.

I will give you one thing though.. Nistelroy does have more goals than GOMES... MUCH MORE?? I don't think so ..

Nistelroy: 19 in 26 games
GOMES: 14 in 25 games

Do i still take GOMES over Nistelroy?? HELL YEAH!!!!! :rockman:

Maybe if i was Man.U's manager they'd win something.. :O :wootman: :amika: :funny: :shades: ;) :Bow: :rofl:

I think i'd start by selling Nistelroy and getting GOMES to sign a rather large contract! :read: Then extend Ronaldo and Rooney's til 2020..

muahaa.. i know .. you hate me.

But i'm still not gonna change my mind.
 

Luis Ah-Hoy

Senior Squad
nikeportugal said:
Well I watch quite a few Manchester games cus i like to watch Ronaldo play obviously... and every time I see Nistelroy play he doesn't run off the ball.. i've actually seen him miss shots completely many times.. and he definately doesn't create plays.

Well, i watch 90% of Man Utd games, coz i'm a C. Ronaldo admirer...
And actually i didn't like RVN's performance in that game (and in many others that i've seen this season)... but everybody knows that he's not in his best form from quite some time now, but Nuno Gomes is almost in the best shape he'll ever be, coz he ain't got that much potential... well, and speaking of potential, RVN has got a lot more than Nuno Gomes... yeah, you don't agree, i know... but really, you're dealing with facts here, so... you're free to have your own opinion of course, but that doesn't change the reality of those facts...

nikeportugal said:
Unless you count his HORID shot in Manchester's last game that he (completely) missed so badly that it ended up being a perfect pass for a player who DOES make runs off the ball.. AND gave him the pass in the first place that put Nistelroy in a scoring chance.. that player was RONALDO. I dunno if you saw that game though.

Actually many times Nistelroy is so innefective I barely even notice he's on the pitch.

"figo rules, portugal rules, soccer rules, thats all that rules..." - Well, that quote says a lot about you! :rolleyes:

You seem to be a little biased over Portugal and portuguese players... i'm a Portugal NT supporter myself, and i cheer for them so badly, that when they score a goal, I start running around the house in joy, as well as when Benfica scores!!! =D
But... the diff. between us, is that i'm not biased as you seem to be... i analize things according to what i see and not according to what i want them to be...
C. Ronaldo is a top ON-form player, RVN is a top OFF-form player and Nuno Gomes is just an average ON-form player... like it or not! That's not my opinion.... that's the reality... =)

nikeportugal said:
I will give you one thing though.. Nistelroy does have more goals than GOMES... MUCH MORE?? I don't think so ..

Nistelroy: 19 in 26 games
GOMES: 14 in 25 games

Do i still take GOMES over Nistelroy?? HELL YEAH!!!!! :rockman:

Maybe if i was Man.U's manager they'd win something..

Oh, so you see... in a much harder Premier League, an OFF-form RVN scores an average of 0.73 goals per game... and an ON-form Nuno Gomes scores an average of 0.56! Hey, thanks for the stats... =D
You should check the total careers goals of both of them... Gomes is way behind RVN... and hey... RVN is only 4 days older than Nuno Gomes... guess Gomes still has got 4 days advantage! That should do it... :rofl:

Do i still take Nistelrooy over Gomes? What a stupid question... of course i do! :rolleyes:

nikeportugal said:
muahaa.. i know .. you hate me.

But i'm still not gonna change my mind.

Hate you.... why should I? :)
Actually i find you and your posts quite amusing... (C) :fool: :funny:
 
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Virgo

Guest
this debate is absolutely retarded. Ruud is probably the greatest finisher I've ever seen play.

Nuno Gomes is a good team player, that usually exceeds himself in big moments like it happened in 2000 or 2004 for the NT, but he's nowhere near World Class, and can't finish for his life when he lacks confidence.
 

Luis Ah-Hoy

Senior Squad
Virgo said:
this debate is absolutely retarded. Ruud is probably the greatest finisher I've ever seen play.

Nuno Gomes is a good team player, that usually exceeds himself in big moments like it happened in 2000 or 2004 for the NT, but he's nowhere near World Class, and can't finish for his life when he lacks confidence.

So true... (Y)

But I don't even bother to debate this with anyone... i simply throw the facts... and also, i luv to reply to biased posts... :hump:
 

nikeportugal

Club Supporter
:nape: It's ok i don't take it personally..

I think i made it clear that i'm biased through my words alone so i'll never argue that :)

BUT.. i also have to say I haven't watched RVN play one good game... it's totally possible that he just had bad games when i happened to watch him like the one we just talked about.

And yes... if i was a manager.. i would totally biasedly (made up that word i'm sure) make a team of Portuguese players.. lol.. kinda like Mourinho! Xept i guess he was only really half portuguese players at best... still... that's what i would do...

So..

1) Bash my comments like crazy it doesn't bug me don't worry :ewan:
2) I'm so biased i'd put on my grand-pa to play for me instead of somebody like Gerrard just cus my G-pops is portuguese :nape:

sad... but true... i'm realistic too... i don't want you guys to think i'm in lala land here.. I am biased.. but I also never saw RVN play a good game...

Admitidly ... the ratio of Benfica to Man.U games i've seen is like a billion to one. :)

Ciao!!
 

Luis Ah-Hoy

Senior Squad
nikeportugal said:
1) Bash my comments like crazy it doesn't bug me don't worry :ewan:
2) I'm so biased i'd put on my grand-pa to play for me instead of somebody like Gerrard just cus my G-pops is portuguese :nape:

Hummm.... right.... :confused:

I was just having fun too, replying to your silly posts! And it looks like i'm still having a great time here... :rolleyes: :funny:

:ewan:
 
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Callum

Guest
Virgo had to say it, ruud is one of, if not THE best striker in the world at finishing inside the box, hes always were the ball lands it seems.
 


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