Cheating, why is this brushed under the carpet?

[AaronL]

Why is it that no one is being allowed to discuss the current issues in the game? Mr. Egg Chasers dismissal is a matter for the MZ community as a whole. I do not think it looks bad, I think it is in fact the opposite. Seeing as we are allowed to openly discuss such matters proves that no-one accepts cheating and will not get it happen in our game. Not being allowed to talk about assumes to non-MZ people that we just brush it under the carpet.
With any online games the worst thing is cheats. Its also one of the worst things to combat against.

I see being able to discuss it openly in an adult manor will show every non MZ player that we take cheaters seriously and do not stand for such tactics.

The way I see it at the moment is this; This is a manager zone forum, this topic is a major MZ issue, it seems (although im sure this isn’t the case) that the whole MZ community is trying to be stopped to discuss it and trying to brush it under the carpet. Why? I do not know…..


Just my 2 cents from a newbie (ish) manager.

 

[chris boston]

Sorry, but if it becomes public, then MZ could have many more members following his lead. Do you think discussing it is a good idea if it allows others to see what he did and then do the same? Believe me, people will try their luck. There are many warnings about multiple accounts, yet hundreds still cheat with mutliple accounts.

I'd love to tell you the reason why he was banned but I can't, I can't even mention how it'd affect MZ incase someone works out what he did. But let's just say it's not in MZ's best interests for anyone else to copy his behaviour.

 

[Swish]

Chris is right, once the problem has been dealt with by Crew, then the community will be told. At the moment, we cant risk anyone else trying to do the same as its an unfair advantage that hooper had. He abused the game and thus cheated. And this is why he has been banned. He knows the reaosn, but he has been told to keep his mouth closed, otherwise MZ may follow up with court action.

This is a serious offence, that needs to be dealt with carefully, we cant tell you the reasons as it will cause an uproar of members who think they could do the same, who will only just be banned, and to stop you all trying to go down the same path, we cant tell you the reasons as to what he did, we can tell you why he was banned though. He broke the rules of MZ, thats all you need to know for now.

Believe me, this is definately not something thats being brushed under the carpet. You will be told, an announcement will be made, but only once the problem is dealt with. Until then, me, chris and the moderators of SG would appreciate it if you stop trying to kick it all up in the air.

I have enforced strong rules in the forums on MZ for this not to be discussed by members who know what happened. If they are caught, they could face possible banishment, the rules will also apply on here.

Sorry guys, would love to tell you all as well, but we cant, not yet.

 

[Ash]

Normally I don't mind stuff like this being discussed, and this forum would be seperate from MZ rules like this.

However in this case it's for the best interest of MZ and non-cheating members if more methods of cheating aren't generally known.

I think it's good enough that any member who cheats is banned. The fact that it happened to Hoops, one of England's best, should show that no one can get away with any kind of cheating.

 

[Rollins80]

Originally posted by Swish
He knows the reaosn, but he has been told to keep his mouth closed, otherwise MZ may follow up with court action.

This is bull**** off course. No way a swedish company can sue an english guy for cheating in a stupid computer game. Come on man, Hooper14 next to Milosevic in the international court of The Hague ?

 

[AaronL]

I don’t mean it like that! I don’t wanna know how he hacked MZ, everyone knows he paid for stuff without actually paying for it, my point was that it seemed no-one was allowed to talk about it!

Also where is the headline on the main page? “Eng Prem Manager Sacked!” I mean for a ManagerZone news site, this should be MASSIVE news.

 

[chris boston]

Rollins, you don't know the full picture so you can't comment. If you knew what he did, then you'd know he could actually be taken to court. But you don't. So please, don't try and stir up trouble. And if it's a "stupid computer game", why does it bother you so much?

AaronL, I don't think that's a good idea as then more people will ask what's going on and we tell them all the same thing. It just wastes our time. I've been answering questions about this on MSN instead of answering support etc sooner. And it gets boring repeating the same thing over and over. It's not really in MZ's best interests for it to be discussed, so can we plase drop it?

When the matter is fully resolved between all parties involved, then you will be informed, although ofc we can't tell you the full details.

 

[AaronL]

But why hasnt there even been a news item like;

"A top british manager was sacked for the 2nd time for breaking ManagerZone rules, not much information is avalible at the time of writing but we will let you know as soon as we can!"

I thought a bunch of ManagerZone lovers was doing the site not ManagerZone itself..?

 

[Swish]

not to happen, the less people who know about this, the better.

 

[AaronL]

*sigh* so it IS ManagerZone running this fansite.

 

[Bluecoaster]

No Aaron, it is ManagerZone fans running this site. Those same ManagerZone fans have been informed what this is all about and have decided to keep their mouths shut (as almost everybody else knowing this) because if we talked, it could hurt MZ...badly. Now...what real fan would want the game or anything else he's so crazy about get hurt? I think none. I also think that if you were a moderator of this site as Ash and me are, you would probably keep your mouth shut too.

I will keep the thread open for now, as long as it doesn't exceed a certain level or some information leaks out, which I doubt.

As for you Rollins, as Chris said, this thing is BIG and even a Swedish company could start a court process against an English citizen if he leaked it out. Why do you think MZ threatens with a life ban for anybody telling anything that has to do with it?

Blue

 

[Swish]

no, its Managers who play ManagerZone who have MZ's best interest at heart.

Blue and Ash have not been ordered to refrain from discussing it. They know what went on and they know the severity of the problem if this was known by all users. They have enough respect for the game to not let it out on the forums.

Do not try to hassle them with PM's, they wont respond with what you want to hear.

As has been mentioned, the reason WILL be given to the Managers at some point. But at the moment, its still a threat.

And its best that the least amount of ppl know about it, as we will only continue to not reply with anything.

Aaron, this is a brick wall, a dead end. So theres no need to keep pressing this matter, unless you want more posts like this one and finalised with being closed.

 

[hutch_b]

Everyone's obviously curious about what happened and why. But in time we'll find out what happened, it's just best now to let it lie and respect the moderators wishes.

The thing that i find really disappionting is why he resorted to do wrong when he simply didn't need to.

 

[Swish]

if he didnt resort to it, he wouldnt be where he was

He gained a large advantage over many users who dont have the same option to take advantage like he could. Most people think that this is the worst thing ever and that he didnt deserve such a thing.

When you will be told what he did, most of you will agree what he did, he was deserved to be punished. But until then guys, you are all gonna have to go a little bit of faith and respect the fact that what he did, he got punished for and that not even the top team can get away with such a thing.

More news will be released later, but until then, we need to try and sort something out. To stop the rest of members trying it. And Im sure some are

 

[Rami]

Ok, everyone had enough? Thread closed

 

[Gerrard 17]

As long as you don't give out the classified information you posses, I don't see the harm in discussing it. I mean, people can discuss the issue without you guys giving any inside info on the way he cheated. I guess it's kinda pointless discussing what you don't know, but if people want to do it- let them.

As long the discussion doesn't break the SG rules, I don't think this type of censorship is fair.

I agree with what Blue said, "I will keep the thread open for now, as long as it doesn't exceed a certain level or some information leaks out, which I doubt". I think it should be re-opened, but do as you wish.

 

[Bluecoaster]

I have to agree. I just now saw it was closed, and I don't really think it should be restricted. However, any information given out will be reported to the MA's (in this case Swish) and you can count with a MZ ban. That post will also be deleted.

Please leave this post open for now Rami and read better next time

Blue

 

[Swish]

damn Rami

I should put you on the streets and sell you

Would make loads of money

From SG members who just wanna throw banana's at you

 

[chris boston]

*throws bananas at Rami *

 

[MartinWarnett]

Hmmm...

The problem that it is far too easy to put pieces together, read between lines and use the imagination to concoct a pretty plausible, and probably pretty accurate guess.

Should we? No.

Assuming an investigation is going on, the manager is now back in MZ, and based upon guestbook entries he's left, is protesting his innocence, then it's innapropriate for MZ or anybody associated with it to publicly comment on either the allegations or any evidence supporting the allegation(s).

Once the investigation is finished, and decisions on how MZ should proceed ( ie if any legal action is to be started etc ), only then should MZ release broad highlevel details of the allegations - even then, if MZ did persue legal action, I'd imagine most of the details may be sub judice anyway.

Certainly, I'd say MZ need to publicly release some information at the appropriate time, if the manager is found guilty. Bearing in mind their high profile, the message needs to get out that regardless of the person's profile, cheats will be dealt with.

If the person is actually innocent, then bandying the allegations around publicly could be damaging to the game itself in it's own right.

What I would say is that the person is now back in MZ using an account that was his brothers. That,IMHO, is a breach of the rules separate to the allegations that led him to be suspended in the first place, so I'd imagine that should be looked at.