Brain Aneurysm!!!!

[JohnPublic40k]

Ok, its driving me crazy that if I play a quick stand alone match I can win on 6 stars usually by two or more goals, but If I'm in League mode every match ends in a tie, regardless of the difficulty!!!!!!! I just played 6 ML matches that were all 1-1 or 2-2 ties on four stars. And the most frustating part? In four of those matches I was winning with less than 5 mins (gametime) remaining!!!

Gah!!!

Sorry, just venting.

 

[spiteri]

I don't buy this "The computer Cheats" complaint that a lot of people seem to mention on here.

If you have an organised defence with players who are somwhat non-fatigued you should be able to defend a lead in the dying minutes.

All so look at real life soccer, a lot of goals actually get socred at the end of the 1st or 2nd half cause thats when things are at their most franetic.

Just get the formation right, organise your defender and dont panic .... you should be good most of the time.

 

[Y2K]

You just need more practise. The COM is too predictable in my opinion.

 

[kingpug]

The CPU does cheat, end of..

I did a test, I went Inter Milan on 3 stars and played some poor German side, I had red form while they had gray..

And funilly enough, they still outran all my players, every pass was inch perfect, they could turn quicker than I could say ***** off*..

Like he said, playing single match is easy, playing in the ML is harder because the CPU cheats, and in the ML cup it is atrocious to say the least, even on 3 stars..

It doesnt matter who you go or who you play, you still get beat for speed by every player on the opposing team.

And when you have about 20 shots with 13 on target you get 1 in the goals, as the keeper is supreme..

But when the CPU runs up to your box and gets their first shot, it goes in without fail because my keeper doesnt even move for it.

Even with headers, I played with England against Australia and Campbell never once won a header, even though he was probably the biggest on the pitch.

And Owen was getting destroyed for speed by TONY VIDMAR!!..yea sure, thats very realistic.

People just cant admit the game isnt perfect, some can get on with the cheating but some cant, when 100/100 loose balls go to the CPU, when you get outran by every CPU player, when you walk into the ball and it goes 60 mph over the by-line..and when you score and they score right after you..

There is nothing you can do, you get the ball, it ends up at there feet, you slie tackle, its a fk, you wlak into the ball, it either goes over the by-line or to their feet..

If your lucky yo get the ball, you punt it away and it goes to them..

It really is the biggest pile of **** I have ever seen, all the games I have played and none come close to unfairness than this game..

I only play it because its still the best football game to date..

People can live in there dream worls and believe the CPU doesnt cheat, but if you actualy look at the game then you will realise they do.

 

[kingpug]

http://kingpug.sphosting.com/Cheats.zip

Game doesnt cheat huh?..and as usual the first 2 are in the SAME GAME..which is funny because its also a ML..and even funnier..THE DIVISON 2 CUP!!!!

I have to say the game doesnt cheat much in the ML, although it still does, its when you get to the cups you get the full blow.

Amazing huh?..considering they get a fk when you WALK into them, and they do this and nothing happens..

Btw thats only a fraction of what happens, if I was to save a replay everytime I got cheated I would have gb's upon gb's of avi files.

 

[spiteri]

You are all a bunch of whingers...if ya want to win 6 - 0 every game then go and play FIFA.

For me, part of what makes this game both great and at times utterly frustrating is the fact most games are tight and you really have to work hard for a win...

I can at time see when the CPU is going to score if things are not going its way, but I have never seen too many cases where there is outright cheating taking place....

cheating is not really the right phrase to use in this case as well!!

I dont think the Konami guys are sitting back laughing at these posts going.. OUR CODE BEAT THAT LITTLE 14 YEAR OLD AND NOTHING HE COULD HAVE DONE WOULD HAVE HELPED BECAUSE MY CODE ASWAYS WINS!!!

The game is great and as close to perfect a soccer game there has ever been....learn to loose every now and again and learn to get frustrated!!!!

Or better yet...learn how to play the game and not suck so much at it

 

[kingpug]

ROFL another retard..why is it that when people deny the game cheats they have to say its our abilities?..

I dont suck, I can win on 6 stars, but the game pisses me of which results in me playing on 3, because the game doesnt cheat as much..

If cheating is not the right phrase, then wtf is?..

Did you see thos videos, you trying to tell me thats normal ****in football??

Asshole.

 

[JohnPublic40k]

Re: Brain Aneurysm!!!!

Originally posted by JohnPublic40k
Ok, its driving me crazy that if I play a quick stand alone match I can win on 6 stars usually by two or more goals, but If I'm in League mode every match ends in a tie, regardless of the difficulty!!!!!!! I just played 6 ML matches that were all 1-1 or 2-2 ties on four stars. And the most frustating part? In four of those matches I was winning with less than 5 mins (gametime) remaining!!!

Gah!!!

Sorry, just venting.

hahahaha!!!! you suXXors! I am teh l33t!!

I didn't necessarily say that the computer cheated. I do think its a little odd that in ML they are able to pull off a last minute come from behind tie in most matches I play, but se la vie. I was just venting a little and pointing out how much harder I think the game is at the same difficulty during league or ML play rather than a stand alone match. My assumption is that there is some sort of "come from behind" script written into the game. This is very common in sports games. It gives a leg up to whomever is trailing in the match, whether it be the player or the cpu. It makes the matches close, and that's a good thing. At this point though, I'd much rather take a dozen landslide defeats than see the cpu tie me in stoppage time over and over.

On a side note, thank you to those that so illustriously pointed out how much I suck and how amazing you are at the game, your posts have been a tremendous help to me, not to mention very comforting. I can only hope that this post will also be followed by someone calling me childish names and telling me to go practice. My one request is this: please make an effort to follow grammar and spelling rules that are mildly reminiscent of those used in the English language.

 

[kingpug]

"please make an effort to follow grammar and spelling rules that are mildly reminiscent of those used in the English language."

Why?..this is a game forum, not a test for university, if you want to sound like a posh tart, then go ahead, but on forums not many people bother about using proper grammar to such an extent..

 

[Y2K]

Of course the COM cheats. Whatever way u put it. But that's the best way KONAMI can do to make the game challenging so far. You can always play online with human or invite a few m8s to have a game with you.

 

[JohnPublic40k]

I only said that as a REQUEST that an EFFORT should be made, and it was not directed at you

 

[kingpug]

I know it wasnt at me, but it just seems a bit silly requesting that no?..

And yes, the game only cheats to make it fair, but it doesnt have to do it this way.

Even when you run with the ball and your about to pass, your player stumbles over absolutely nothing, its just disgracefull to say the least.

 

[Gnidrologist]

Oh you posh tart John Public you. Yes, I'm with you about those amazing comebacks CPU manages to do all the time in ML and, yes, CPU cheats like no-good cheating bastard son, but as you said, it seems that this is the only way to make game more difficult using the same ol' engine.

 

[kingpug]

But they dont have to cheat you from start to finish, maybe every now and then...

 

[JanerAli]

Originally posted by spiteri
You are all a bunch of whingers...if ya want to win 6 - 0 every game then go and play FIFA.

 

[aqua]

The cheating is a pisser but mainly because it comes in half-way through a match.

Don;t mind those games where the cpu is in turbo mode right from the start...at least you know what you;re up against.

Really starting to get bored with 80% of matches against cpu where you completely dominate and the cpu just can't get into the game, but when you finally score, the cpu decides to to boost it's stats and reduce yours, and lo and behold, it scores......zzzzzzzz.....boring.........fine once in a while but the game engine relies far too heavily on this tired old and very obviously cheating tactic in nearly every match.

I know why they do it.....it's often said that a team is at it's most vulnerable to conceded a goal right aftert they've scored. Konami have implemented this but taken to an unrealistic extreme. Fair enough if they want to give the cpu team a quick boost but this disabling of my players in complete guff. Nothing worse than pressing direction and super-cancel desparately just trying to get your guy to move towards the loose ball rolling past his feet and he does that statuesque gorilla posture instead of running, until the cpu guy gets the ball and suddeny my guy can move again......completely pathetic coding - it's like having a racing game and if you're winning, the cpu decides to make your steering wheel stop working for a few seconds...oh look, you've crashed...bad luck....

Hey Konami, how about having the cpu in turbo mode right from the start of the match? That way, if I don't like 6* turob-mode, I don't play it. But what I do object to is playing a 5* match and then when I score, it suddenly becomes a 7* match to allow the cpu to score and make it "exciting". It's not exciting, it's tedious.

 

[Nuno]

I have absolutely no idea what you guys are bitching about. I've been having a blast playing Master League and building up my team.

Seems like you guys are choking worse than Inter. When I go 1 or 2 up I usually get more chances on goal because the computer is pushing up more to try and score.

I only ever get frustrated with myself. If I'm not concentrating, it shows in the scoreline.

If you honestly don't enjoy playing PES4, stop playing it. As for me, I'm in football heavan.

 

[kingpug]

Oh man, aqua, I couldnt agree more..

Me and my cousin play 2 player ML on the PS2 and on 6 stars, now while the CPU cheats like god knows what, we still win almost every game..

The problem is concentration, others seem able to carry on playing despite the cheating, while I certainly cant, and will not..

I play this game for some fun and enjoyment, not to play a game and when I finally manage to score with 10 minuts left, for the CPU to turn into maniacs and my players to turn into 5 year old girls..

And they score, and you are left fuming with rage, like aqua said, it is tedious..

And like he also said it would be better if they cheated from the start, so you could drop the difficulty level..

But its easy during the game, untill you score when it turns impossible, and putting the level down would result in boring games..

Or even if my players stayed the same when I scored, but they turn into paper cutouts, where I tell them to pass and they dont respond, where my defenders all stand still while the CPU rips them apart and scores..

To me this is far from fun.

 

[Nuno]

Originally posted by kingpug
Oh man, aqua, I couldnt agree more..

Me and my cousin play 2 player ML on the PS2 and on 6 stars, now while the CPU cheats like god knows what, we still win almost every game..

The problem is concentration, others seem able to carry on playing despite the cheating, while I certainly cant, and will not..

I play this game for some fun and enjoyment, not to play a game and when I finally manage to score with 10 minuts left, for the CPU to turn into maniacs and my players to turn into 5 year old girls..

And they score, and you are left fuming with rage, like aqua said, it is tedious..

And like he also said it would be better if they cheated from the start, so you could drop the difficulty level..

But its easy during the game, untill you score when it turns impossible, and putting the level down would result in boring games..

Or even if my players stayed the same when I scored, but they turn into paper cutouts, where I tell them to pass and they dont respond, where my defenders all stand still while the CPU rips them apart and scores..

To me this is far from fun.

So you're saying the computer makes your players weaker. I going to have to disagree with you. I'm pretty good at holding a lead. Sometime I even switch defenders near the end of the game and they still can't get past me. You know, the fullbacks get tired really quickly if you run them too much. When their stamina is depleted, so are their stats. Maybe it's a stamina issue, I don't know. I don't have the same problems as you.

 

[ge4ce]

The CPU cheats, but not as much as some are saying here.
If you're good you can beat the CPU even when it maybe cheats.
Score a few goals in first half and he cannot catch you then, you can even trash his cheating a**

For example, when i got PES4 i've started ML with Real Madrid on 5*. In three seasons I won over 80% of games, lost only few of them. It was not a challenge anymore for me (and the stadium grass sucked), so i've tried new ML with B. Dortmund (great grass!) on 6*. After about a half of the first season played i'm first with 11 wins and 1 draw (goal difference 47:16).
B. Dortmund have default players (but i changed the tactics of course). I play 15 min. matches. Highest win this season 8-1 over Parma.

Use of 1-2 pass and through balls is a must (very effective - especially after you take a lead by a 2 of more goals).