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Arsenal V Dynamo Kyiv

shokz

The Red Devil
Originally posted by Ljungberg08
Every keeper has a howler, Howard had one at southampton, Carlo had one vs. Arsenal, ect.

It was Lehmann's turn, aside that, the man is class.

The reason we let that goal in at Southampton was because the defenders did not do there job, same goes for the rest of the team, our markers let Howard down in the dieing minutes of the game, anyway back to topic..

Lehmann should not take ALL the blame for tonight, thats down to the defence where the hell were they?, they left there own man stranded, but I feel Lehmann should not of came so far out of his box, and the ball had enough pace on it for him to wait for it and pick it up.

Defenders and GK should share part of the blame, but I bet you the media puts it all on Lehmann's shoulders.
 

Bobby

The Legend
Not if Campbell was playing.

I can see the independent now

"Campbell, Wenger leave own team to rot in hell"
 

soccerbest

Starting XI
Think you were rather unlucky with Toure hitting the bar right at the end, but Lehman should have stay inside his box instead of coming out and loses the ball.
 

Hydde

Youth Team
Its noit Lehman fault.

Well,, all i know is that Arsenal is in very DEEP SH*T now...

thay will advance to the next round by winning the 3 last matches...with 10 points.......and hoping that inter and the other 2 will lost points like crazy:crazyboy:


Very unlucky, for a tem that can do much more.
 

Dimony

Club Supporter
Well i did get the score right and one of the scorers. So thats good.

But what are these comments about Dynamo being a ****e team. I remeber the same rumblings in 1998.

What most people dont realize is that Dynamo(unlike most other Eastern European teams) dont live off selling their players. The team in fact is cherry-picked from the best players in Eastern Europe. Just because you dont know their names doesnt mean they are bad.

:rolleyes: ;)
 

Fernandez

Team Captain
Originally posted by Ljungberg08
Every keeper has a howler, Howard had one at southampton, Carlo had one vs. Arsenal, ect.

It was Lehmann's turn, aside that, the man is class.

my first impression when he played in the Community Shield is that he was too casual leading me to think that he is gonna play like barthez... i guess arsenal had to pay for cudicini's error...

equation : Arsenal must beat Dynamo Kiev 1-0 to beat Dynamo head-to-head. They have to beat Lokomotiv and Internazionale providing that Dynamo does not beat Moscow.
 

Galvatron

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Originally posted by Eng4WorldCup
At WORST, EPL is 3rd best league... at BEST they can be best league, but as an AVERAGE they are 2nd best league... Spanish is by far the best league, but the Italian league is not sooo good, which is the reason why i dont understand why Italian teams do good in the CL while English teams tend to do bad...

first of all the serie a has the best defenders in the world, while england has some defenders that would be more suited to the estonian league or something.
secondly, the prem league's best strikers are van diveryboy, serie a failure madame henry, and owen who's been standing still for the last 6 years.
no, i'd rather see pippo inzaghi and sheva, possibly the best duo in the world, vieri, del piero, trez, totti, delvecchio.

saying the serie aint that good shows u truly got **** for brains, and of course italian teams do better in the CL then the english teams, idiot!
 

VanTheMin

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i hated arsenal cause i am a man utd fan. but now i hate them cause they are letting england down in the cl.
only united is the ENGLISH CLUB which keeps the prestige of gb by at least reaching the qf.
face it.........arsenal cannot play in europe which means that they are not the best of england
 

Bobby

The Legend
Henry isn't a faliure in anyway, he has more class as a player, and as a man that you will EVER have, Galvatron.

Maybe he didn't do well on the wing?! He's obviously better suited as a FORWARD (there is a difference between a forward and a striker). He scores lots of goals, has lots of assists, what more do you want? His team-mates look up to him, he teaches the younger players. And he doesn't dive (you can't say that doesn't happen in Serie A, i've seen Serie A fans on here calling for video replay because it's so bad).

Call him a failure all you want, he'd always be the first player on my teamsheet.

He's better off in England. He's better off under Arsene Wenger, a manager that listened to him.
 

Fernandez

Team Captain
Originally posted by Galvatron
first of all the serie a has the best defenders in the world, while england has some defenders that would be more suited to the estonian league or something.
secondly, the prem league's best strikers are van diveryboy, serie a failure madame henry, and owen who's been standing still for the last 6 years.
no, i'd rather see pippo inzaghi and sheva, possibly the best duo in the world, vieri, del piero, trez, totti, delvecchio.

saying the serie aint that good shows u truly got **** for brains, and of course italian teams do better in the CL then the english teams, idiot!

oi... if defenders in italy so good, how did arsenal trounce roma 3-1 and we trounced juve 3-0 with both matches in italy? i dun think italy has the best defenders... because sometimes the italian opposition have the worst attackers..... not the same with epl... in serie a you always see clubs like ac, juve trouncing their opponents but not the same with epl.... we trounced newcastle 6-2.... do you ever see ac trashing juve 4-0 or 5-1?

the foreign strikers of the epl are of high calibre.... it was a dutchman from epl who won CL Top scorers for 2 times in a row even though his club didnt made it to the final... henry, anelka of the french fryers are knocking in goals.... and shearer has scored more than 300 goals at 33... a stat that could not be seen in italy(i hope).... and henry is probably the player with most strikers AND assists in the world last season.... serie a is just a predictable race to the scudetto...
 

Jedi Mind Trick

Starting XI
Originally posted by Galvatron
first of all the serie a has the best defenders in the world, while england has some defenders that would be more suited to the estonian league or something.
secondly, the prem league's best strikers are van diveryboy, serie a failure madame henry, and owen who's been standing still for the last 6 years.
no, i'd rather see pippo inzaghi and sheva, possibly the best duo in the world, vieri, del piero, trez, totti, delvecchio.

saying the serie aint that good shows u truly got **** for brains, and of course italian teams do better in the CL then the english teams, idiot!

though i agree with you that serie a has some of the best individual defenders, i'd be more inclined to say that the league has the best defensive tactics and strategies.

but i disagree with you about england's strikers. your judgement on ruud is obviously a biased approach, and i agree that henry was unsuccessful at juventus, though he was like 21 and a complete different player than he is now. he was a winger and not until he came to arsenal did he find his niche as a forward, while developing all around skills. you can't deny that he's one of the top players in the world now. numerous players have struggled in italy, while numerous players have struggled in england or spain, etc. as for owen, to say that he's been stagnant for the past 6 years is a farce. we've seen him grow from a boy, and now he's improved remarkably..just not as much as the media had hoped he'd be. only because the media has put him on such a high pedestal. he's not just relying on his pace to run down balls anymore..he's actually improved his on the ball skills and creating chances for himself and others. and he's still only 23 and still improving. trust me as i'm a united fan, but i hold the highest regards to both henry and owen.
 

Galvatron

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Originally posted by fifafanv1
oi... if defenders in italy so good, how did arsenal trounce roma 3-1 and we trounced juve 3-0 with both matches in italy? i dun think italy has the best defenders... because sometimes the italian opposition have the worst attackers..... not the same with epl... in serie a you always see clubs like ac, juve trouncing their opponents but not the same with epl.... we trounced newcastle 6-2.... do you ever see ac trashing juve 4-0 or 5-1?

the foreign strikers of the epl are of high calibre.... it was a dutchman from epl who won CL Top scorers for 2 times in a row even though his club didnt made it to the final... henry, anelka of the french fryers are knocking in goals.... and shearer has scored more than 300 goals at 33... a stat that could not be seen in italy(i hope).... and henry is probably the player with most strikers AND assists in the world last season.... serie a is just a predictable race to the scudetto...

there is a lot of difference between the scum and the magpies, and there is not a lot of difference in quality between last season's cl finalists, that's why it went to a shoot-out, dickbrain :f***:

and anelka a flyer?? this over-rated toss couldnt even succeed at loserpool, and will never play for france again, he's disappeared into the wilderness and only a reject such as yourself would still think he's quality. and grand-dad shearer wouldnt even bag 10 goals in the serie a, stop talking bull**** kid.
 

Galvatron

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Originally posted by Jedi Mind Trick
though i agree with you that serie a has some of the best individual defenders, i'd be more inclined to say that the league has the best defensive tactics and strategies.

but i disagree with you about england's strikers. your judgement on ruud is obviously a biased approach, and i agree that henry was unsuccessful at juventus, though he was like 21 and a complete different player than he is now. he was a winger and not until he came to arsenal did he find his niche as a forward, while developing all around skills. you can't deny that he's one of the top players in the world now. numerous players have struggled in italy, while numerous players have struggled in england or spain, etc. as for owen, to say that he's been stagnant for the past 6 years is a farce. we've seen him grow from a boy, and now he's improved remarkably..just not as much as the media had hoped he'd be. only because the media has put him on such a high pedestal. he's not just relying on his pace to run down balls anymore..he's actually improved his on the ball skills and creating chances for himself and others. and he's still only 23 and still improving. trust me as i'm a united fan, but i hold the highest regards to both henry and owen.

which player struggled in england but succeeded in italy??? name one u poof.
owen gets his cheap goals yeah, mostly from hyppia banging him straight up to him, but this shrimp hasnt been top-scorer has he? why is everyone talking about the top 2 strikers of the prem league, and owen isnt one of them. he's stood still coz his performances for england nor loserpool have radically changed. he scored a nice hat-trick against germany for the 2002 qualifiers, but the ultimate goal-getter he hasnt been. he's also in-capable of taking loserpool to a higher level. those wanks in fact went back to zero by playing in the uefa cup again this season.
guess you dumbass yankees should get some footie games over there on your tellies and see it for yourself instead of saying what everyone else says and adding your own bullshyte to it.
 

ogsimon

Starting XI
Its funny how we have one point and the destiny is still in our hands, but i doubt we will go through, because we will more than likely fail in our home games.

2-1 just like i predicted:(
 

Galvatron

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hehehe, that's funny, but i think you should go back to watching digimon u cartoon freak

is ogsimon fighting kabuteramon? or is it stingmon today??? :funny: :funny:
 

monkee

Senior Squad
The whole Italy vs Spain vs England leagues is odd. For what it's worth , except for Arsenal being pasted by Inter, English teams have the number on Italian teams. Look at last seasons competition. Arsenal pasted Roma in Rome, Man Utd convincingly beat Juve (the CL finalists, lost on pens) in Turin, as well as beat them at OT (admittedly a flu hit - not an excuse for Turin though as most of their team had returned). Newcastle United also did well against their Italian opposition when required.

Italian teams' defensive, organised style of play makes it difficult for the Spanish sides, as Juve proved against Real Madrid last year, and again last night against Real Socieded (although Sociedad aren't as good as they were last season)

Spanish sides generally have the number on English clubs. Real Madrid vs Man Utd last year (although imo, the game was closer than many ABUs would have you believe - except for the 1st 50mins in Madrid where it was all Real Madrid and proved decisive). Valencia vs Arsenal last year.

Anyway, the game last night. I find it hard to say that Arsenal were unlucky not to get a point from the game as that would take away from Kiev's performance, although Arsenal played well enough to get a point, and probably all 3. They outplayed Kiev for the majority of the second half but couldn't get through some resolute, although messy at times, defending and on the occasions they did they missed the target or hit the post.

Kiev edged the first half however, imo. They had a lucky break for their goal but their passing, particularly long range, and running troubled the Arsenal back line, but left themselves open to Arsenal counter attacks but they managed to recover to prevent them.

Lehmann's error was of Barthez-esque proportions. Not content to let the ball reach him in his area he came out of it and contrived to pass the ball straight back to a Kiev player. Not happy enough to make the most of that opportunity Kiev must've felt sorry for the poor kick and tried to give Lehmann another chance to get it right. The Kiev player made a soft shot which barely raised above the ground straight at Lehmann. With a defender to his right as an outlet Lehmann tried to jink to the left around the oncoming Kiev attacker but his first touch was heavy, he tried to pull a foul but to no avail leaving another Kiev player in space with time to slot the ball into the empty net.

You have to be honest and say it leaves Arsenal with an uphill struggle to qualify for the next round and they realistically have to be looking to get 9pts from their remaining 3 games. As it progresses mind 2 wins and a draw may even prove to be enough, and the match in the San Siro may be a decider for them. First things first though, if Kiev beat Arsenal at Highbury (where Arsenal's recent European form has been at it's worst) and Inter beat Moscow in Milan then it's curtains to Arsenal.
 

mohawk

Senior Squad
Originally posted by Eng4WorldCup
but the Italian league is not sooo good, which is the reason why i dont understand why Italian teams do good in the CL while English teams tend to do bad...

Looks like you don't understand much do you???

you are a blind moron.
 


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