Any plans to make this game 3D?

[Andrejs]

Do you agree then, that a game that matches FM on every front and has a 3D option will steal its market?

I doubt that it would steal the market. SI has huge ammount of experience when it comes to managment games so it would take a lot more then just a 3d engine to sell better then FM. Imagine a game that is in 3D and has all the features that FM plus more, how much RAM should we need then?

I agree with what you sayed about FIFA 99 having a decent 3d look and it doesnt need as much memory as FM, but you can't forget that in FM the 2d (or 3d) pitch is secondary, the main work will be done BEFORE the match and that takes more memory then viewing the match itself.

 

[a27]

Long one there.

3D game
On the 3D engine issue, I don't mean a 3D playable game like FIFA but a 3D simulation of what's currently 2D on FM.

Many have failed
Yes, some have failed on the road but it doesn't mean that all are destined to fail. You probably know of the Video Games crash.

Time and resource availability
Because of the time an resources issue, all development doesn't have to be done in one year. It can be paced to suit available time and resources without breaking the bank.

Decent graphics
Yes, FIFA 99 graphics wouldn't look great in 2005 and SI can't afford to risk their reputation and brand name unless it'll have decent graphics. That doesn't mean it can't be done.

1ce vs if
I believe "once" is more appropriate than "if". Like the step between console games coming out on disc rather than cartridge.

Few staff.
Again, the development can be paced to suit available resources. Or they could get colege students to do the menial jobs cheap.

People writing essays.
Yes, it would be a big risk but if navigated right, it could see SI assimilate EA's market share. Surely, if successful, it'd be worth the risk.

Stupid
Correct. A person who continuously makes stupid decisions is by definition stupid.

 

[a27]

I doubt that it would steal the market. SI has huge ammount of experience when it comes to managment games so it would take a lot more then just a 3d engine to sell better then FM.

When I say "matches FM + 3D", what I mean is for you to imagie that someone made a FIFA/PES/WE patch and slapped it on FM. Basically, another company steling the FM software and putting a good 3D face on it.

Imagine a game that is in 3D and has all the features that FM plus more, how much RAM should we need then?

That would depend on a few things. Perhaps it would need more RAM.

I agree with what you sayed about FIFA 99 having a decent 3d look and it doesnt need as much memory as FM, but you can't forget that in FM the 2d (or 3d) pitch is secondary, the main work will be done BEFORE the match and that takes more memory then viewing the match itself.

Agreed. I understand that FM's greatness is not in the "shiny things" that FIFA and TCM sprinke that makes people go "ooooh" with dollar signs in their eyes.

FM is a game of great depth and that gives SI their competitive edge. Therefore, they cannot afford to let off on the depth.

 

[Tom]

can I just say that i am amazed but also impressed at the overall quality in this thread, thanks

TROD.

 

[a27]

can I just say that i am amazed but also impressed at the overall quality in this thread, thanks

TROD.

How/why is that?

 

[Parra Power]

When I say "matches FM + 3D", what I mean is for you to imagie that someone made a FIFA/PES/WE patch and slapped it on FM. Basically, another company steling the FM software and putting a good 3D face on it.



That would depend on a few things. Perhaps it would need more RAM.



Agreed. I understand that FM's greatness is not in the "shiny things" that FIFA and TCM sprinke that makes people go "ooooh" with dollar signs in their eyes.

FM is a game of great depth and that gives SI their competitive edge. Therefore, they cannot afford to let off on the depth.

the thing is that with the depth of the game, bugs are inevitable. CM4 and FM05 were based on solid, well-established foundations of previous CM games but they still had a lot of bugs. imagine a game from scratch.... it would take a lot of editions to get to the level of FM05, let alone pass it. adding PES will NOT work, becasue they follow the ball. a 3d engine that would suit a management game well requires alot more depth and processing in order to be able to somehow show the manager everything, all the time. and beyond that.... most current 3d games are not all that realistic.

 

[yim87]

even though fifa 99 may not require a high end com, FM05 on its own with a 2D match engine already takes up 100% of ram if not more in mine. what makes u think a 300 MHz 64 MB ram piece of **** would run FM, TOGETHER with a decent and realistic 3D match engine where the backline etc. are exactly doing what u want and not standing around like clueless dicks, smoothly?

 

[Hercules]

i think a much better venture for SI to go for is something like parallel computing, where processing would be forked out to all the ppl who are playing FM. So everybody's free CPU cycles can be used up for processing other ppl's stuff....however, making such a thing is not easy, since a lot of data required for processing would only be on the local machine, so to find out exactly which procedures can be done in parallel (and most importantly - efficiently) would be a very hard problem.

But something like simulated a match using multiple machines can be looked at, since the teams are restricted to what's on the team sheet, barring substitutions. So, for example, one machine can simulate the ball physics, one for each player, then we might get some very realistic AI......

Doing this would require very careful design, but I think it's possible, especially as broadband is really beginning to take off in more countries....

 

[PSVFOREVER]

My PC is probably too crappy to handle a decent looking 3d engine (pes4 is too much for my pc)