Ahh Yes. Tevez Is Going To Man Utd!!!!

[SlowSilver]

Tevez has arrived in Manchester for his medical, but West Ham have refused permission for Tevez to undergo it.

EDIT: As much as I hate to say it. I think Pete may be right here. This does indeed look like a blatant case of tapping up. If the deal was given the go ahead by West Ham they surely wouldn't have refused permission for Tevez to undergo the medical. It wouldn't make sense for Tevez to go all the way to Manchester (and yes, he really is in Manchester) AND THEN decide to break the news. Very strange.

 

[gamerguy350]

Tevez has arrived in Manchester for his medical, but West Ham have refused permission for Tevez to undergo it.

EDIT: As much as I hate to say it. I think Pete may be right here. This does indeed look like a blatant case of tapping up. If the deal was given the go ahead by West Ham they surely wouldn't have refused permission for Tevez to undergo the medical. It wouldn't make sense for Tevez to go all the way to Manchester (and yes, he really is in Manchester) AND THEN decide to break the news. Very strange.

But it wouldn't be tapping up if he's owned by a third party, right?

 

[MikeyM]

Tevez has arrived in Manchester for his medical, but West Ham have refused permission for Tevez to undergo it.

But of course the whole sticking point is do they actually have any right to refuse Tevez permission?

This is becoming a major pain in the a$$. I wish United would just pay West Ham something and let Kia sue them (West Ham) for his cut. Also maybe we should just walk away and go for someone else. (Although guaranteed that Chelsea or someone will get him next year )

I don't trust the FA when it comes to United. It seems that United are always held up as "examples" when the FA considers cases. I point to Rooney's 3 match ban from a preseason match, Rio's draconian ban (when Mutu tested POSITIVE for coke and was only given 6 months ban) and the wimping out of hammering Chelsea for Obi Mikel (worth a transfer imbargo methinks) Not to mention the whole "drop the FA Cup for the Club World Championship" fiasco in 2000) As for tapping up, is there any more blatant example than Ashley Cole? Did the FA deduct Chelsea points? (and that was the first example I could think of)

Also how did the Mascherano deal go through. Does the FA really believe that Kia J would allow West Ham to take Tevez for nothing? (As West Ham suggested when they said they had "ripped up" third party papers. As I recall they didn't pay any fee. So Kia is just going to take a drink on a £40M player then? I don't think so.

IMO I think that the FA realised they've dropped the ball (sorry) by letting West Ham off a points deduction - or even have players under third party ownership in the first place and now they're trying to rectify it somehow. And if Man United happen to be involved then screw it they'll use them as the example.

This whole thing is screwed up. But the team that needs an in depth investigation carried out is West Ham (maybe not the new chairman) because the problems are at their end. If United believed Tevez was owned by West Ham (as WH claim) then they'd have just thrown them £30 - £40M and the deal would have been done.

Mike

 

[pede54]

But of course the whole sticking point is do they actually have any right to refuse Tevez permission?

This is becoming a major pain in the a$$. I wish United would just pay West Ham something and let Kia sue them (West Ham) for his cut. Also maybe we should just walk away and go for someone else. (Although guaranteed that Chelsea or someone will get him next year )

Chelsea wouldn't want Tevez. If he don't go to Man U this year he will go next year....or the year after that...or.....

I don't trust the FA when it comes to United. It seems that United are always held up as "examples" when the FA considers cases. I point to Rooney's 3 match ban from a preseason match, Rio's draconian ban (when Mutu tested POSITIVE for coke and was only given 6 months ban) and the wimping out of hammering Chelsea for Obi Mikel (worth a transfer imbargo methinks) Not to mention the whole "drop the FA Cup for the Club World Championship" fiasco in 2000) As for tapping up, is there any more blatant example than Ashley Cole? Did the FA deduct Chelsea points? (and that was the first example I could think of)

Well you could find many examples like that imposed on other teams if you really wanted to think about it. Rio's ban was heavy because he didn't show up for his test, simple as that. Mutu at least showed up.

If you would only admit the truth behind the Mikel business, you would know that there wasn't a case for Chelsea to answer.

Tapping up is tapping up, whoever does it. We recieved fined a record fine for that. Did Chelsea whinge about it or claim unfair treatment because the fine was the largest EVER handed out? Man U's problem in all this is that they consistantly refused to do what they were told by the Premier League. IF this comes to a tapping up case, Man U will suffer because of the many times the PL requested them to deal with West Ham and not the Agent.

Also how did the Mascherano deal go through. Does the FA really believe that Kia J would allow West Ham to take Tevez for nothing? (As West Ham suggested when they said they had "ripped up" third party papers. As I recall they didn't pay any fee. So Kia is just going to take a drink on a £40M player then? I don't think so.

That deal was completely different. West Ham actually DID settle the registration issue when Liverpool came knocking for him. Maybe they might have done the same for United if they had of conducted themselves properly in the first place.

IMO I think that the FA realised they've dropped the ball (sorry) by letting West Ham off a points deduction - or even have players under third party ownership in the first place and now they're trying to rectify it somehow. And if Man United happen to be involved then screw it they'll use them as the example.

This whole thing is screwed up. But the team that needs an in depth investigation carried out is West Ham (maybe not the new chairman) because the problems are at their end. If United believed Tevez was owned by West Ham (as WH claim) then they'd have just thrown them £30 - £40M and the deal would have been done.

Mike

The reason why Man U did not do that was obvious. They do not want to cough up £30 million. They thought they could loan him of the agent instead because short term, that would have been cheaper.

The problem cannot be as you say, all in West Hams end, because the Premier League has stated over and over that West Hams documentation is IN ORDER. West Ham do not have a problem apparantly. The problem seems to be that Man U's lawyers and advisors are not as slick as they thought they were. They didn't make sure in the first place of all the important details. Joorabchian has tried another of his con tricks and as Gill said yesterday, "This is proving to be more complicated than WE WERE LED TO BELIEVE"

 

[Thelonious]

I think if Man Utd still want him we need to go through West Ham and pay up front, I think their case rests on the fact that MSI contracts with Tevez are a restraint of trade and are legally unenforceable, therefore as West Ham own the regristration they are the full owners of Tevez.

 

[Gold Archangel]

Tapping up is tapping up, whoever does it. We recieved fined a record fine for that. Did Chelsea whinge about it or claim unfair treatment because the fine was the largest EVER handed out? Man U's problem in all this is that they consistantly refused to do what they were told by the Premier League. IF this comes to a tapping up case, Man U will suffer because of the many times the PL requested them to deal with West Ham and not the Agent.

That deal was completely different. West Ham actually DID settle the registration issue when Liverpool came knocking for him. Maybe they might have done the same for United if they had of conducted themselves properly in the first place.

I get that you are no man utd fan, but the way you are attacking utd is ridiculous. You sound like the kid who keeps complaining that I was cheating by copying off a book after I won the art contest during primary school. It's a primary school contest for god's sake, no one cares if a pri sch kid learns his drawing by drawing inspiration from a book.

Instead of trying to forcefeed us the scenario that man utd is tapping up, why not evaluate alternative viewpoints and consequences of this instead? Tapping up is illegally approaching a player without permission from his owners. So if MSI owns Tevez, man utd is not tapping up. However if MSI owns tevez, west ham will be in alot of crap as they broke the prem league rules just after they have been reminded about it. Obviously they would want to save their asses from relegation or a points deduction so they are blocking the move while thinking up of a way to get out of this scott free.

And yes, this deal is exactly the same as the liverpool-mascherano deal. The problem is not with man utd not conducting themselves. The problem is that the liverpool deal is deemed wrong by the premier league and west ham had a warning and a fine for it. Now if they do the same thing for man utd again, they're pissing right at the prem league's faces. This is just like you promising your daddy you won't drink and drive again, but then get yourself into a big car accident after a long night at the club. You know your dad won't let you touch the car ever again, so how do you get out of it?

Of course, man utd could have simply gave west ham the money, but Kia will start a lawsuit that lasts so long Tevez will be 30 by the time he can play for utd. Not to mention if his case is successful, it still goes back to show how west ham broke the rules and they'll still face the music. This is why west ham is powerless to do anything but keep blocking tevez's move to anywhere.

So get the man utd hate out of here and think clearly. Imagine if it was chelsea trying to buy tevez instead. How are they going to "conduct themselves" properly in this deal? Is there a way to get the player cleanly? That's clearly impossible, and thus utd are trying to negotiate the best solution for this. And imagine if utd pulls out of this deal: does this mean Tevez is untransferable out of west ham? The only way is to wait till his contract expires before he can move? This is unimaginable. I'm sure Kia will make some noise if he loses his chance to make some millions. Utd knows Tevez will move somehow and are willing to put in more effort to be the first to get him. That's what make people successful, doing difficult and even risky things that no one else will try which eventually pay off big time. And the pay off for utd is that Tevez will score the winning goal in all of utd matches against chelsea for the next 3 seasons, putting chelsea out of all competitions.

 

[pede54]

I get that you are no man utd fan, but the way you are attacking utd is ridiculous. You sound like the kid who keeps complaining that I was cheating by copying off a book after I won the art contest during primary school. It's a primary school contest for god's sake, no one cares if a pri sch kid learns his drawing by drawing inspiration from a book.

I thought I'd explained my position very clearly sunshine. If you are too thick to grasp my intention then hard luck to you pal.

Instead of trying to forcefeed us the scenario that man utd is tapping up, why not evaluate alternative viewpoints and consequences of this instead? Tapping up is illegally approaching a player without permission from his owners. So if MSI owns Tevez, man utd is not tapping up. However if MSI owns tevez, west ham will be in alot of crap as they broke the prem league rules just after they have been reminded about it. Obviously they would want to save their asses from relegation or a points deduction so they are blocking the move while thinking up of a way to get out of this scott free.

"evaluate alternative viewpoints and consequences"???? That is exactly what I am doing you twat. If I offered what YOU mean by the "alternative" viewpoint, I would be saying the same thing as you. Therefore it wouldn't be an alternative viewpoint would it?.......DOH

Also you are assuming that MSI DO own Tevez. The Premier League say they DO NOT own him. They say that West Ham are the people that Man U should have dealt with from day one. If West Ham did not own Tevez then it would have been impossible for them to block his medical yesterday. Get it?

And yes, this deal is exactly the same as the liverpool-mascherano deal. The problem is not with man utd not conducting themselves. The problem is that the liverpool deal is deemed wrong by the premier league and west ham had a warning and a fine for it. Now if they do the same thing for man utd again, they're pissing right at the prem league's faces. This is just like you promising your daddy you won't drink and drive again, but then get yourself into a big car accident after a long night at the club. You know your dad won't let you touch the car ever again, so how do you get out of it?

This deal is NOTHING like the Liverpool-Mascherano deal. You obviously are not too well informed regarding the major diffences in both these cases. Look for information at other places rather than Man U.com all the time. A balanced argument can only be had when biased AND unbiased opinion is digested. Listening to only one side to an argument, you will learn nothing.

Of course, man utd could have simply gave west ham the money, but Kia will start a lawsuit that lasts so long Tevez will be 30 by the time he can play for utd. Not to mention if his case is successful, it still goes back to show how west ham broke the rules and they'll still face the music. This is why west ham is powerless to do anything but keep blocking tevez's move to anywhere.

There you go again, basing all your hopes and opinions on the possibility of Man U being in the right and West Ham in the wrong. As I said before, if West Ham can stop Tevez's medical, then they are hardly powerless are they?

So get the man utd hate out of here and think clearly. Imagine if it was chelsea trying to buy tevez instead. How are they going to "conduct themselves" properly in this deal? Is there a way to get the player cleanly? That's clearly impossible, and thus utd are trying to negotiate the best solution for this.

Nobody in their right mind would have forced this Tevez issue at this time. Chelsea would not touch him with a bargepole last year, nor would Man U touch him. Nothing has changed you know. Tevez's situation is the same now as it was then. Chelsea have decided to have nothing to do with Tevez this window, and if Man U were smart they would have done the same.
If a club cannot do a deal cleanly and within the rules, then the deal should not be done mate.

And imagine if utd pulls out of this deal: does this mean Tevez is untransferable out of west ham? The only way is to wait till his contract expires before he can move? This is unimaginable. I'm sure Kia will make some noise if he loses his chance to make some millions. Utd knows Tevez will move somehow and are willing to put in more effort to be the first to get him. That's what make people successful, doing difficult and even risky things that no one else will try which eventually pay off big time. And the pay off for utd is that Tevez will score the winning goal in all of utd matches against chelsea for the next 3 seasons, putting chelsea out of all competitions.

So you condone the end result however it might be reached huh? Break the rules? Break the law? Thats OK with you is it? Sorry mate but that is not acceptable behaviour at all. Nice attitude I must say.

If Joorbachian had any paperwork worth having, don't you think he would have been heading for a courtroom already? He has already been told that his "economic rights" over Tevez are meaningless in a court of law, so he has nothing to take anyone to court for.

I will say this one last time for you mate, because I already told you this. Read it slowly and digest it.....

As for hating Man U....Don't be so simplistic and immature. I may not kiss Man U arse, but that does not make me a hater pal. I do not hate any team. Football just isn't important enough to me to actually manifest hatred.

As for your last sentence.....you are obviously about 12 years old, am I right?

 

[1966+2006]

Gold Archangel, just give it a rest. Your contributions to this thread have been nothing but ****e.

 

[adedawson]

if he comes, he comes, if he dont, he dont. Simple as that.

Be great if he does though.

 

[pede54]

if he comes, he comes, if he dont, he dont. Simple as that.

Be great if he does though.

Exactly Ade. It aint gonna make any difference to Chelsea's season if he goes to Man U or not. This isn't about anti Man U feeling or pro Chelsea. It's a discussion thats going nowhere, because all we can do is speculate. Non of us know for sure what the fook is going on, but soon it should be a little more clearer.

 

[Seán D]

Either one of two things is happening:

1.) West Ham never owned Tevez and are panicking at being found out, and promptly relegated.
2.) Man U will get in trouble for tapping up.

Something is not right with this deal, West Ham made a right balls of it signing Tevez in the first place. Hopefully FIFA sort it out once and for all. The Premier League are a shambles. They are in big trouble whatever happens. It shouldn't have gotten this far.

 

[Tom]

You know what the funniest thing is, the fact it's got so BLOODY complicated now, that all parties have just said "Ermm.. FIFA... Help!"

Completely pathetic situation.

 

[Seán D]

That is the Premier Leagues fault for allowing the deals to go through in the first place.

I'd almost prefer to drop the deal now and be done with it.

 

[night]

You know what the funniest thing is, the fact it's got so BLOODY complicated now, that all parties have just said "Ermm.. FIFA... Help!"

Completely pathetic situation.

And once FIFA gets involved, it's a lose-lose situation for everyone..

 

[Seán D]

Just a thought,

The PL and West Ham could be delaying this so that they don't have to relegate West Ham. Instead the points deduction counts for this season.

Just a theory...

 

[El Diablo Rojo]

Just a thought,

The PL and West Ham could be delaying this so that they don't have to relegate West Ham. Instead the points deduction counts for this season.

Just a theory...

Seeing the current state of the situation, sounds likely to me.

And if it happens like that it's going to be a negative mark for the Premier League.

 

[Help?]

Either way, West Ham know that they are in big trouble and the FA knows that they ****ed up majorly.

 

[Help?]

This could explain why Kia didn't help Sheffiled United relegate West Ham

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Iranian businessman Kia Joorabchian has accused West Ham United of making false statements in public over their rights to Argentinian striker Carlos Tevez.

The Hammers have repeatedly claimed that all third-party agreements regarding Tevez have been torn up since they were hit with a £5.5 million fine in August for breaching Premier League rules regarding third-party ownership of players, though Joorabchian has indicated that this is not the case, and that his investment company MSI still hold the player's transfer rights.

The issue flared up when West Ham refused to allow Tevez to undergo a medical ahead of a possible move to Manchester United, insisting they first agree a transfer fee with the Premiership champions. The move sparked Joorabchian's ire, as he accused the Hammers of going back on promises made over Tevez's future.

"Press statements both today and over last few weeks are wholly inconsistent with the real circumstances and the situation presented to us by West Ham concerning Carlos Tevez," Joorabchian's lawyers told the Press Association.

"We as a company have patiently kept away from the issues including West Ham in order to give the club the opportunity to resolve the matter in a legal and agreeable way acceptable to all parties.

"West Ham have consistently provided private assurances while at the same time making contrary statements to the public at large.

"We can no longer allow these inconsistencies to continue unaddressed.

"During his time at West Ham Carlos Tevez performed at a high standard. He was voted Hammer of the Year by the club's fans.

"There was a period at the end of last year when Carlos had the opportunity to leave the club and yet he decided to stay to successfully help West Ham survive in the Premier League.

"We wish to make clear that at all times it has been our intention to find an amicable solution and Carlos Tevez has, at no time, acted improperly in relation to his move to Manchester United Football Club as he was given permission via his representatives to talk to other clubs to reach an amicable agreement.

"Over the last six months West Ham have made repeated promises and assurances which they have not acted upon or performed. It is now time for these inconsistencies to be brought to an end.

"We see no alternative but to bring the true circumstances to the attention of a higher authority to aid a rapid conclusion to this issue."

The "higher authority" referred to by Joorabchian is likely to be FIFA, who are likely to be called in by Manchester United and West Ham regardless in order to sort out the legal complications of Tevez's transfer to Old Trafford.


http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/18072007/58/premiership-hammers-made-false-statements-tevez.html

 

[ticcan]

Deal completed. :mexican:

Tevez signs for United

The Reds have finally completed the transfer of Carlos Tevez after the Premier League registered the striker as United player.

A club spokesman told ManUtd.com: "Manchester United is delighted announce that Carlos Tevez has been registered as a member of its first-team squad by the Premier League."

Link

 

[MikeyM]

Exactly Ade. It aint gonna make any difference to Chelsea's season if he goes to Man U or not. This isn't about anti Man U feeling or pro Chelsea. It's a discussion thats going nowhere, because all we can do is speculate. Non of us know for sure what the fook is going on, but soon it should be a little more clearer.

No you're right there, because United will still have won the title without Tevez - But we do have him so


Just a little lighthearted banter there


Mike