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Ahh Yes. Tevez Is Going To Man Utd!!!!
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Thelonious
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Help?;2359467 said:
Actually Harewoods been linked with a move.
The problem with the transfer as I understand it is that we've have gone through MSI rather than West Ham. While as far as the premier league is concerned West Ham own Tevez's registration, so any deal with MSI can't go through as they don't own his registration.
http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2123412,00.html
I wonder how long it will take to go through the courts, maybe we will get him by next year
westham have only the prem. to back them up. tevez' rights are owned by MSI. just because westham said they ripped up their agreements with MSI may satisfy the prem but it will not satisfy a court of law. westham signed a legally binding document and can not discard it on a whim. Man Utd are dealing with the people that own tevez' rights and are not breaking any laws in doing so.
Thelonious
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The problem is that if the Premier League cancel Tevez's registration with West Ham, it leaves them open to legal action from Sheffield United. One solution would be that West Ham have to compensate MSI for the value of Tevez say 30m, then it's up to West Ham whether he stays or goes I imagine with such a fee they would have to sell.
Still looks like a case of tapping up to me. A more blatent example would be very hard to find.
West Ham have refused Tevez's request to let him leave. They also told his agent that they will not give up his registration either. It seems that Joorabchian has even offered to buy back Tevez's registration. West Ham have refused to deal with Joorabchian.
The difference between this fiasco and the transfer of Mascherano to Liverpool is that Liverpool did at least approach West Ham before they contacted the player. Man U have not contacted West Ham at all to date.
http://www.sportinglife.com/footbal...07/07/11/SOCCER_Tevez_Lead.html&TEAMHD=soccer
Rockshow....whoever holds a players registration LEGALLY owns the player. His registration is held by the Hammers and not by Joorabchian. Economic rights, which Joorabchian claims he has, mean absolutely sod all where the transfer of a player exists. Economic rights do not give an agent the right to decide where a player plays.That decision rests with the club who holds the players registration, and thats West Ham.
I think Man U have got themselves involved in a very dodgy deal and Joorabchian has succeeded in making the club look very stupid indeed. Saying that, I think Man U knew what they were getting involved with and they still went for it.
West Ham have refused Tevez's request to let him leave. They also told his agent that they will not give up his registration either. It seems that Joorabchian has even offered to buy back Tevez's registration. West Ham have refused to deal with Joorabchian.
The difference between this fiasco and the transfer of Mascherano to Liverpool is that Liverpool did at least approach West Ham before they contacted the player. Man U have not contacted West Ham at all to date.
http://www.sportinglife.com/footbal...07/07/11/SOCCER_Tevez_Lead.html&TEAMHD=soccer
Rockshow....whoever holds a players registration LEGALLY owns the player. His registration is held by the Hammers and not by Joorabchian. Economic rights, which Joorabchian claims he has, mean absolutely sod all where the transfer of a player exists. Economic rights do not give an agent the right to decide where a player plays.That decision rests with the club who holds the players registration, and thats West Ham.
I think Man U have got themselves involved in a very dodgy deal and Joorabchian has succeeded in making the club look very stupid indeed. Saying that, I think Man U knew what they were getting involved with and they still went for it.
SlowSilver
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Well, whatever the case...it's getting extremely boring now. 
Thelonious
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Its seems like it has taken another twist, apparently there is an arrest warrant out for Tevez's owners due to money laundering.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/07/13/ufnjoorabchian113.xml
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/07/13/ufnjoorabchian113.xml
Man Utd have done nothing wrong, and they haven't done any tapping up because they have dealt directly with the players owner (MSI). Alex Ferguson is very confident Man Utd will be able to unveil Tevez next week, and that he will be a Man Utd player. It sound's like Man Utd are very confident that they have played by the books on this one. Regardless of what the premier league like, MSI do still own Tevez's sporting rights in a court of law, how could West Ham just rip up the contractpede54;2359771 said:
. That would be the equivalent of signing Tevez on a free contract.Thelonious
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Kulixs;2360758 said:
Thats debatable now, if they bought Tevez's rights with ill gotten money, then who knows who owns him now? I think Man Utd will have to bail on this one and try get someone else, if MSI have their assets frozen then the deal is as good as dead.
Here's another deal from Joorabchian thats just come to light. Olympic Lyonnaise are also wanting him nicked ....
http://brazil.theoffside.com/players/how-nilmar-and-msi-misled-lyon.html
Dontcha just love the bit about bribing FIFA officials?
UK police have been asked by Interpol to apprehend Joorabchian if he is on UK soil, in regard to the money laundering charges from Brazil. The UK does have an extridition agreement with Brazil and the UK police will fulfill the interpol request it seems. Shame the request came too late to arrest him at Prime Minister Browns party last night.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport...tells+Interpol:+Arrest+Joorabchian/article.do
I cant believe that Man U are even doing business with a turd like Joorabchian. Brown at West Ham did business with him, but he was a turd too.
If Man U give any money to this man it will go to Berezovsky, who owns MSI and is reported to be Russian Mafia. Doesn't put Man U in a very good light IMO, considering that they must have known all of this before they even began dealing with Joorabchian, or are Man U's lawyers really that thick?
http://brazil.theoffside.com/players/how-nilmar-and-msi-misled-lyon.html
Dontcha just love the bit about bribing FIFA officials?
UK police have been asked by Interpol to apprehend Joorabchian if he is on UK soil, in regard to the money laundering charges from Brazil. The UK does have an extridition agreement with Brazil and the UK police will fulfill the interpol request it seems. Shame the request came too late to arrest him at Prime Minister Browns party last night.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport...tells+Interpol:+Arrest+Joorabchian/article.do
I cant believe that Man U are even doing business with a turd like Joorabchian. Brown at West Ham did business with him, but he was a turd too.
If Man U give any money to this man it will go to Berezovsky, who owns MSI and is reported to be Russian Mafia. Doesn't put Man U in a very good light IMO, considering that they must have known all of this before they even began dealing with Joorabchian, or are Man U's lawyers really that thick?
pede54;2361145 said:
no i dont think they are.
we wouldnt be going down this route of trying to sign tevez unless we knew for a certain what the truth was. i mean our lawyers have been working the tevez deal for months to make sure it was legit. theyre hardly gonna go and ruin our league chances witha dodgy deal are they.
the main problem is that it looks like west ham have gotten themselves between a rock and a hard place. they either have to admit that they lied and dont own tevez, or say that they do and then get taken to court by kia and msi.
the main problem is that with west ham saying that they tore up 3rd party documents is that you cant cancel a legally binding contract without both parties consent, and its very unlikely that msi agreed for it to be cancelled as they would be giving tevez and mascherano away for free and lose out on £30m+ which lets face it theyre not going to have done.
the whole thing is a big mess, but im very sure that utd lawyers know a hell of a lot more bout legal issues than anyone here and that we wouldnt have entered into the situation without knowing everything because of possible ramifications
Perhaps so, but it looks like as every day goes by, Man U have gotten themselves in a very messy situation that the lawyers must have seen coming IF they are that smart. So that makes me think that either they aint as smart as they like to think or, they were happy to enter into a very dodgy deal with very dodgy people. Either way, this is making Man U look very bad.
AND, if Joorabchian really had a leg to stand on, I think he might have carried out his threat of supplying Sheffield United with all the gory details of the Tevez/West Ham affair for Sheffield Utd's appeal yesterday, but he DID NOT.
Why?.....Because he knows that what he has is useless. He can't take anyone to court either because in a court of law in England, his "contract" with Tevez would not be recognised. The guy is all mouth. His bluff was called and he failed to deliver.
Don't be under the false impression that Man U are whiter than white. The club is a big business, and like all big businesses, dodgy dealings go on all the time. Chelsea do it I'm sure and Man U do it also.This time though everything is very public and some of this sh.it is gonna stick to them.
AND, if Joorabchian really had a leg to stand on, I think he might have carried out his threat of supplying Sheffield United with all the gory details of the Tevez/West Ham affair for Sheffield Utd's appeal yesterday, but he DID NOT.
Why?.....Because he knows that what he has is useless. He can't take anyone to court either because in a court of law in England, his "contract" with Tevez would not be recognised. The guy is all mouth. His bluff was called and he failed to deliver.
Don't be under the false impression that Man U are whiter than white. The club is a big business, and like all big businesses, dodgy dealings go on all the time. Chelsea do it I'm sure and Man U do it also.This time though everything is very public and some of this sh.it is gonna stick to them.
Even if there was something, i really doubt for how long people would think badly of United because of that. A year later, nobody would even remember what happened. How long was Chelsea remembered for Cole deal? Or does anyone even care what Lord Stevens dug up about Cech, Diarra and Essien i believe? For how long did people care, once Stam released his autobiography and claimed that United tapped him up?
We get Tevez and after a few month it will all be forgotten. As for West Ham they are in huge hole right now. United want Tevez, so they will obviously go after the person that owns Tevez to get him. And if that's what they did, then why did they not go to West Ham, who was only allowed to stay in EPL because they claimed that they own Tevez? West Ham are getting themselves into big big trouble right now, which could cost them dearly.
BTW, why would Kia help Sheffied United to relegate West Ham? Getting West Ham relegated is not gonna get him any further in Tevez transfer.
We get Tevez and after a few month it will all be forgotten. As for West Ham they are in huge hole right now. United want Tevez, so they will obviously go after the person that owns Tevez to get him. And if that's what they did, then why did they not go to West Ham, who was only allowed to stay in EPL because they claimed that they own Tevez? West Ham are getting themselves into big big trouble right now, which could cost them dearly.
BTW, why would Kia help Sheffied United to relegate West Ham? Getting West Ham relegated is not gonna get him any further in Tevez transfer.
Well its funny you should say that. A Premier League spokesperson said this morning in the Telegraph, that if Man U do not begin talking with West Ham they will indeed charge Man U with "tapping up" Tevez.
The guy said that it is a blatent case and the punishment could be a hefty fine, a ban from the next 2 transfer windows and a points deduction. He said maybe not all three but certainly 2 out of the 3.
I think it would be wise for Man U to ditch the slimy Iranian as soon as possible because the Premier League are gonna make a serious example out of them to prevent this crap from ever happening again. Do you really think that the PL will allow a club in their league to get the better of them?
Fifa have told the FA to arbitrate. The FA have said that the Premier League can deal with it themselves. If Man U's lawyers are at all smart, they need to toe the Premier League line now. The PL will not give up on this and they will not allow Man U to dictate to them.
Help.....Joorabchian said that he would supply proof to the appeal court that Man U are lying about Tevez's ownership if West Ham did not give up Tevez. West Ham told him to do just that. They called his bluff and he bottled it.
The Premier League said that nothing that Joorabchian has in his possession would interest them in the slightest. They have seen Tevez's registration and it belongs to West Ham. The rest of it is crap. Joorabchian's "Economic rights" to Tevez mean nothing. It's just hot air and has no importance in a court of law. So says the Premier League.
This will never reach a court of law though because if Joorabchian had anything substantial, he would already be going down that road, but he is not.
The guy said that it is a blatent case and the punishment could be a hefty fine, a ban from the next 2 transfer windows and a points deduction. He said maybe not all three but certainly 2 out of the 3.
I think it would be wise for Man U to ditch the slimy Iranian as soon as possible because the Premier League are gonna make a serious example out of them to prevent this crap from ever happening again. Do you really think that the PL will allow a club in their league to get the better of them?
Fifa have told the FA to arbitrate. The FA have said that the Premier League can deal with it themselves. If Man U's lawyers are at all smart, they need to toe the Premier League line now. The PL will not give up on this and they will not allow Man U to dictate to them.
Help.....Joorabchian said that he would supply proof to the appeal court that Man U are lying about Tevez's ownership if West Ham did not give up Tevez. West Ham told him to do just that. They called his bluff and he bottled it.
The Premier League said that nothing that Joorabchian has in his possession would interest them in the slightest. They have seen Tevez's registration and it belongs to West Ham. The rest of it is crap. Joorabchian's "Economic rights" to Tevez mean nothing. It's just hot air and has no importance in a court of law. So says the Premier League.
This will never reach a court of law though because if Joorabchian had anything substantial, he would already be going down that road, but he is not.
pede54;2361501 said:
source please? cos i cant see it in the telegraph at all. or infact anywhere about such punishment
and again, i am 100% certain that or dealing in this transfer is correct and that we've approached this in the right manner. i find it highly doubtful we would be going down this route if we werent 100% sure of the actual ownership of tevez.
also given the furore around tevez, if he wants to move to us that badly why doesnt he just buy out the remainde of his contract thus becoming a free agent and we sign him and then reimburse him as a signing on fee?
Thelonious
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tbh for footballs sake I hope this move doesn't go ahead, third party ownership isn't a good thing for Football, and I really don't want us thrown into a matchfixing scandal which could arise if large numbers of players are owned by third parties.
Gold Archangel
Youth Team
What's wrong with pede? He seems to be hell bent in putting man utd down, yet still have endless hopeful things to say about chelsea. First he wishes manutd will internally combust for havign too many players, then now he's praying that man utd will at least get into some trouble tapping up Tevez. Does he bear such a deep hatred for the team?
The fact is, utd will probably not be negatively affected by the whole thing. The worst case scenario is that the transfer will not go through and utd would have wasted some time and effort on it. It is unlikely they will face any punishment for tapping up a player because, tell me, how can you be tapping a player up when you talked to their real owners? Even if **** hits the fan and the prem league forces tevez to stay at west ham., utd can just claim that they believe the real owner is kia so they're realyl doing things by the book. sucks for west ham, it's their fault to create such a mess for themselves and man utd has nothing to do with it.
Man utd aren't dumb. They arent gonna walk into a mess just for tevez. They know they can get tevez for sure and this is just part of the process.
The fact is, utd will probably not be negatively affected by the whole thing. The worst case scenario is that the transfer will not go through and utd would have wasted some time and effort on it. It is unlikely they will face any punishment for tapping up a player because, tell me, how can you be tapping a player up when you talked to their real owners? Even if **** hits the fan and the prem league forces tevez to stay at west ham., utd can just claim that they believe the real owner is kia so they're realyl doing things by the book. sucks for west ham, it's their fault to create such a mess for themselves and man utd has nothing to do with it.
Man utd aren't dumb. They arent gonna walk into a mess just for tevez. They know they can get tevez for sure and this is just part of the process.
Didnt read the whole thread of course, dont know if this is new to you guys but here in Brazil, justice condoned Kia Joorabchian and 2 other guys (one is Boris Berezovsky) of money irregularities and issued a prison call for the trio. So the fella is going to be arrested from what it depends on our justice.
Gold Archangel;2361912 said:
Errr....maybe because I'm a Chelsea fan huh?.....DOH
Show me my post where I said or implied that. Otherwise do not fabricate. As for hating Man U....Don't be so simplistic and immature. I may not kiss Man U arse, but that does not make me a hater pal. I di not hate any team. Football just isn't important enough to me to actually manifest hatred.
It wont matter what they "claim" mate. Their conduct has been maintained even AFTER this became well known as a dirty deal. They have also refused Premier League directives to talk to West Ham.
Thats your opinion and I have mine. Either of us could be right.....or wrong.
