Agree or Disagree?

[Socrates]

Is this game harder than every before?? Im having a lot of trouble with my game but thats besides the point, i was just looking around at the sigames forums for some help with my defence and i came across this post.
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Precisely.

I don't know about some of the people who seem to play for decades upon decades with different teams, but I have University, work, a girlfriend, real life footie, basketball....I just want to sit down for a few hours once or twice a week and play. I don't want to have to watch matches in real time, tweak tactics for days on end and try out a million different things. I'm a casual gamer and it seems like every game nowadays you need to quit your job, school, abandon personal relationships and whatnot to be good at.

CM/FM franchise has been moving in this direction, with more and more emphasys on micromanagement. Right now, I'm actually waiting for an option to watch the game in real time AND yell instructions at individual players at any given moment. The game has turned into a kindergarten simulation at this point, with players completely unable to do anything without explicit prior instructions. I mean, do I really need to tell my tallest defender to stick to their tallest player on corner kicks? Do I need to tell a defender that if he's up against a quick striker and he's taken off for a slow guy to adjust accordingly? Or anyone not to pass the ball around our own box?

It used to be that if you selected a reasonably realistic tactic and had some decent players, you would do alright. Nowadays, it's all about playing for hours to discover the One Tactic. Hence you have me struggling for months to get anything going on FM2005 and people posting in this forum about 100-game undefeated streaks and beating Man U with Torquay. It's all about the extremes nowadays. To quote Homer Simpson, I want more than the terrifying lows and exhillarating highs, I want the creamy middles.

Some people say I should wait a while and download tactics from other people. Seems like in the last 5 years, that's all I've been doing. Funny how before internet and before fancy 2D match engines, I was able to do alright on CM2 and the like.

Bottom line, steep learing curve = discouraged casual gamers.
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I have to agree with this guy 100%, i just cant play FM for 75 hours a week trying to make the perfect tactic. I think that the players should have some commen sense even without you telling them something. Like hey dont pass it around the box when there is the oppenent right next to you. Just seems like this game and PES 5 ( the 2 biggest games i have been waiting for ) have become something that you need to play for years and years and years to become good at. I dont really have the time to focus that much on this game, i dont want to watch a whole match in the 2d match engine just to get everything right. Is anyone else feeling like this or am i alone in this??

 

[Daz]

i agree to an extent, there is always this risk with FM and football games in general that they become over-complicated.

 

[Socrates]

Also is it just me or is the team talk thing more important than the tactic that you are using?? I swear this game just depends on team talk from now on, just depends on what you say at half-time will either win you the game or will decide if you lose

 

[PSVFOREVER]

I cant say Im spending much more time on tactics than in Fm05, and Ive reached the 2nd CL round (lost 3-1 and 0-0 to Chelsea, both quite unlucky), Im leading the league 14 points and Ive knocked out Ajax in the Dutch cup semi finals, final vs. NAC.

I did already spend quite some time on managing in Fm05 though, watching matches of my coming opponents, then tweaking my player's instructions just to countre his opponent (often to be just surprised they didnt line-up that particular player, and Ive got to tweak again). But I like these things. A season doesnt have to go fast, I get much more satisfaction from winning this way.

 

[Zlatan]

Can't say yet, only played a few matches but so far I haven't find much diffrence in difficulty between FM 2005 and FM 2006.

 

[Áļéאָ]

FM is harder in 06. No doubt. I agree to what the guy says, whithout saying i want the game be realy easy, and tbh i prefer the FM05 difficultly.

 

[Dreath]

Much harder. Now it's more abut the tactics than the players. And you have to buy players which suit your tactics. It's vital now.

 

[Socrates]

Im actually not doing too bad, im third with Fiorentina with 21 pts and Messina are in first with 23 pts. My main problem is defence in 11 matches i have let in 11 goals in the league but i have also scored 22 goals so...

My main problem is that the players dont do what i tell them to do in the 2d match engine. I tell Fiore to rarely take long shots but still he tries it too much. I tell my defenders to not go up but still they do it. I tell Fiore play short passes but he still does long passes. I dont want my players to do these things but still they do. I dont want the game to be really easy but at times it is just unrealistic.

Maybe i just need more time. BTW thank God Fiorentina have Toni and Pazzini they are just amazing in this game.

 

[Maichal1616]

I agree that it's too damn impossible to hold a clean sheet. The opposition always scores, whether it's 5-1 or 0-1, they get at least one. No defencive tactic seems to have an effect. Sometimes they go crazy and score hattricks in 20 minutes and stuff. For example, I was 5-1 up against PSV, and they suddenly went nuts and scored 4 goals in 30 minutes (I still won that game 6-5), now that would be an amazing event if it happened in real life, but the point is that things like this don't happen that often. But it's like a common everyday match in FM, happens all the time.

Having said that, I don't think the game should be easier, since I usually have no trouble with winning the games, but the match engine should play in a more realistic way, those stupid scorelines are not fun at all. And changing the tactics should have a more noticeable effect on things, since that's what this game is supposed to be all about, isn't it.

 

[Vagegast]

The Eredivisie is still as easy as it was in 05

 

[Zlatan]

Yep it seems that way I'm winning everything with atleast a 2 goals deviation with Ajax but I'm having it more difficult in the CL. Gonna start a new game in an other league fairly soon I think.

 

[TOON ARMY]

I must admit fm06 has been a bit of a culture shock for me thus far.

I can't seem to find a tactics which brings stability to the side. I'm either conceding too many then i tweak the tactics and stop scoring! With a bit of luck i finished 6th in my first season with the Toon but i have a bit of work to do to before i dominate English football like i did immediately with fm05. I'm in all sorts of turd off the pitch with finances dropping like a stone every month.

I think the increase in difficulty is for the best though. I must admit, winning the quadruple every season did get a bit boring on fm2005

 

[Dreath]

I must admit fm06 has been a bit of a culture shock for me thus far.

I can't seem to find a tactics which brings stability to the side. I'm either conceding too many then i tweak the tactics and stop scoring! With a bit of luck i finished 6th in my first season with the Toon but i have a bit of work to do to before i dominate English football like i did immediately with fm05. I'm in all sorts of turd off the pitch with finances dropping like a stone every month.

I think the increase in difficulty is for the best though. I must admit, winning the quadruple every season did get a bit boring on fm2005

This is certainly what i'm experaincing. My strikers who have 16+ finishing and composure are missing sitters all the time, and when I go ahead I often conceed. Even when on defensive tactics. I don't understand.

Also i'm finding CL easier than PL.

I beat Juve 4-2, 2-0 and 3-0 in the four matchs I played them. (2 in group, 2 in 2nd round)

 

[Socrates]

My defence is my biggest problem although im trying to fix it. I do have Fiorentina so that may be the problem but still im happy with the team i have. Didnt buy anyone and i am in 6th place and i knocked Milan out of the Italian Cup Consistancy is also a big problem for my team, hope to fix this with more playing. I still have problems with players doing what they want other than what i tell them to do which is getting anoyying.

 

[Lean]

This is certainly what i'm experaincing. My strikers who have 16+ finishing and composure are missing sitters all the time, and when I go ahead I often conceed. Even when on defensive tactics. I don't understand.

Also i'm finding CL easier than PL.

I beat Juve 4-2, 2-0 and 3-0 in the four matchs I played them. (2 in group, 2 in 2nd round)

Someone here likes Benitez's style.

 

[ngyc]

yes. i'm agree with him. fm2006 is much much more harder than fm2005. i think those so call "perfect" tactic is no longer exist in fm2006. no matter how good your tactic is, other factor will screw it up. when i beat chelsea or liverpool 3-0 or 4-0, i thought my tactic was on the right track. so, i'm using the same tactic and same line-up for the next time and i suffer a big lose to a mediocre team such as sunderland or norwich.

Also is it just me or is the team talk thing more important than the tactic that you are using?? I swear this game just depends on team talk from now on, just depends on what you say at half-time will either win you the game or will decide if you lose

couldn't agree you more. this specially apply to mediocre team. they play badly in the first half but sometimes they will totally outclass you in the second half or perhaps defeat you. team talk can be influential but i doubt it works on every team in such effective way

I must admit fm06 has been a bit of a culture shock for me thus far.

I can't seem to find a tactics which brings stability to the side. I'm either conceding too many then i tweak the tactics and stop scoring! With a bit of luck i finished 6th in my first season with the Toon but i have a bit of work to do to before i dominate English football like i did immediately with fm05. I'm in all sorts of turd off the pitch with finances dropping like a stone every month.

I think the increase in difficulty is for the best though. I must admit, winning the quadruple every season did get a bit boring on fm2005

as i said. the team or the tactic never get stability. sometimes they good sometimes they bad. another thing that's annoy me was player condition. you hardly get a player in 100% condition after a game. winger usually exhausted after each game. let say it can be explain by improper training schedule but what if you rest your players a day or 2 after each match? the condition still never reach satisfy level. most of them still less than 90% or around it

 

[Maichal1616]

another thing that's annoy me was player condition. you hardly get a player in 100% condition after a game. winger usually exhausted after each game. let say it can be explain by improper training schedule but what if you rest your players a day or 2 after each match? the condition still never reach satisfy level. most of them still less than 90% or around it

What team are you managing? I'm managing Man Utd, and I can't say I have a problem with fatiqued players, they're usually around 95% before every match and I don't have to rotate the squad that much really. I've messed around with the training though and I think that really has an effect. And I don't rest my players after matches.

The training system, I think, is much better than it was in previous versions. This time I've actually worked out my own schedules and it's really more intuitive and simpler to adjust, I can really understand what I'm doing this time around.

 

[Áļéאָ]

cant say training aint better, but it sure does need a lot more work to become accurate enough.

 

[Maichal1616]

Well in the previous versions the training was like a puzzle or something, you just had to put the pieces together to get a result and I never really got the picture together myself. So I just downloaded some schedules and used these instead of creating my own. This new system IMO makes much more sense.

 

[ngyc]

What team are you managing? I'm managing Man Utd, and I can't say I have a problem with fatiqued players, they're usually around 95% before every match and I don't have to rotate the squad that much really. I've messed around with the training though and I think that really has an effect. And I don't rest my players after matches.

The training system, I think, is much better than it was in previous versions. This time I've actually worked out my own schedules and it's really more intuitive and simpler to adjust, I can really understand what I'm doing this time around.

i'm managing man utd as well. so, could this be my problem and my mistake on training schedule? i gotta check it out. thanks for telling me about that. but so far, my training seems working well. player have great improvement but have many injuries in my squad

all my keepers are injured