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Accumulated Fatigue

MightyTic

Senior Squad
I have a league up and running , not a ML just Leauge. SO in setting it up I picked the optoin (to make it a bit more real) Accumulated Fatigue! If you have not done this before don't bother, it does not seem to affect the CPU teams in the league only your own? I have just played Liverpool who are sitting top of the leauge with Owen the top goalscorer. His performance and that of his team tells me that AF only works on your own team. I played C.Sutton for about 4 games on the trot a fit player more than able play 1 game a week and putting himself about all game long. Not with AF, 5th game after 15min he could hardly run, a loose ball 6or7yrds from him, I pressed sprint to get it a defender about 12yrds away got to it first. As for Owen and Liverpool 1-0 up I score from a corner kick 1-1 40seconds later Owen penalty i only brought my player across to cover the run I never pressed any buttons, down he goes and off I go 2-1 great work by the CPU. Then again 15mins later same player same result 3-1 and down 2 players. Yet sliding tackle after sliding tackle and being knocked over, nothing!

The best one of all, i was attacking and defender booted the ball down the middle, my Defender in the middle of his own half with only Owen coming to him and jumping wih for the high ball, I see one of my players just inside or half out on the wing about 20yrds away, so I angle the stick to him and press the button. I win the header and the ball goes in his directon, standing alone no one near him the ball comes down half way between him and the player who headed it! I land on my asre Owen lands on his feet and is off and running to the ball , which has already landed and is rolling towards my player how i have already highlighted and am bringing towards the ball. I am pressing sprint and yet Owen who was in the air when the ball was headed out there still got to the ball first .......TOTALLY UNREAL!"

As is most of the CPU players Challenges Tackles Dribbling and Shooting, not to meantion goal saving block from nowhere!

another examle of this I had 2on1 the player on the ball I was coming up the middle 35yrds from goal, I keep moving forward and wait until i see that the player in front of me who was backing off trying to cover my other forward who was 6or7yrds to the side of him (onside) I keep moving forward, then he decieds he needs to stop backing off and come out and challenge me. I wait until the last moment as he is about to stick his boot out and tackle me I pass the ball to the side and let me other forward in for a run into the Pen/box. The same player who come off my other forward to come out and challenge the player on the ball, still managed to try a tackle and turn and run after my player closing in on the pen/box in the clear and still get a challenge in...CAN ONLY BE DONE WITH CPU PLAYERS.

I am not looking for an easy win,game whatever.. but I am looking for a bit of reality. 2 teams of equal ability say the commentators should be a close one ( yeah that will be right ) How many times have "You" in playing this game? got to a loose ball before a CPU player. How many have caught a ball running out for a throw. How many of you have been clear in the Pen/box and with a good or very good forward and pressed the shot button only for nothing to happen , you press and press and it only works when a defender(s) in range to block your shot! How many of you have put tackles in with good defenders only to see the ball move inches behind the player you tackeld only for them to spin and come again. How many of you have put in tackles just like the one on you mins before only to get a foul against or worse a yellow or red card.

Don't get me wrong , THIS IS THE BEST FOOTBALL SIM out there!
There is nothing to touch it ..........

But that should not hide the facts that there are thing wrong in this game. Just because it might look bad to say these things( and look like your giving something to the FIFA fans) this is not about looking bad or saying this is a bad sim ..ITs NOT! Its saying yes this is the best out there .....BUT IT HAS FAULTS TOO! and to ignore them so you don;t give FIFA FANS AMMO .. is the wrong way to go about it.

Things that need fixed..

Keepers ( nothing that bad about them, and its just same with FIFA, they dive down all wrong. They dive to the worng side of a player on the ball. if its on his right foot they come out and make a dive to the left of him, and thats not because the player has sold the keeper a dummy, they do it every time.)

AI ( not the CPU teams ) but the AI on the team that you are playing. Loose balls unhighlighted player in your team just standing looking at it. OK you have to try and Hightlight him and go after it, but how many times have you tired to highlight a player and bring him under control only for the Player Icon to jump between 2 of your other players and not the one you want to highlight.

Collision detection ( to many times you "brush" against a player and he downs down... admit it ... how many of your great moves and been busted because of this? Got this one of saved reply.. my forward closing down the keeper, the toe of the keepers boot is just about on the ball streaching to clear it, my forward has his boot turned sideways on across the "Whole" of the ball. The forward is 6ftPlus at least 13st and his weight behined the block. The keeper knock the ball around the forward brushes around him and dives on the ball. I played it over in replay, in close up I stop it at the point of contact. The ball is at this point trapped between them, on one side the toe of the keepers boot on the other the boot of my forward side on across the whole of the ball. What happend next? Frame by frame I nudge it on, and in close up the ball ever so slowly melts into my players boot and bottom part of his leg. I stop it a few frames in and my player no longer has a foot at the end of his leg but a ball. I move the frames on and the ball passes though leather/skin/bones to emerge on the other side of my players boot on run slightly behind him for the keeper to dive on and save. Who says the CPU doesn't cheat.. Ive got proof.
 

Spurs4Life

Starting XI
I agree with u on some points and no matter what anyone says,the computer definatly cheats to gain a advantage....konami admitted this when they released the last pro evo,they said for e.g. if u are 1-0 down and in the 70th minute and u get a clear penalty claim the referee wont give it to u. I agree with u as for 1 on 1 ones i have been clear so many times and for some reason a defender like jaap stam who has no pace whatsoever runs all the way back and slides in and wins the ball it happens every time. As much as i love this game and it is the greatest football game ever made konami really does need to sort out the obvious cheating bugs> LOL i thought i was the only one that noticed the ball rolling off without any pace for a throw in.....u will get some PES3 lovers coming in here denying what we are saying "ohhhh u have to get better" and stuff but its clear that there are cheating bugs in the game.
 

simakperrce

Reserve Team
i really would like to know more about where and when konami admitted to that... quite interesting if it is true...

and no, i am not a PES fanatic... i actually agree entirely (that the game is heavily leaning towards the CPU), but i am in no mood to argue with the fanboy police again, so let's just leave it there....
 

Master Kush

Youth Team
Originally posted by simakperrce
i really would like to know more about where and when konami admitted to that... quite interesting if it is true...

and no, i am not a PES fanatic... i actually agree entirely (that the game is heavily leaning towards the CPU), but i am in no mood to argue with the fanboy police again, so let's just leave it there....

LOL ...."..fanboy police" :crazyboy:
haha


As for the post, i agree with what i actually read. But damn, please a little more concise next time, too long!

As for the cheating, i'm not sure whether it has to do with the ps2 limitations or just lazy coding by NOKAMI. If it is indeed because of the ps2, then i think it's time to move on. Three generations on one system is plenty, but its now time for bigger and better IMO..
 

MightyTic

Senior Squad
I know it was long winded, but it was driving me nuts!

I never posted it to cause a fight, it was just what I saw as flaws in the game.

As stated this is the best football game I have ever played and I have been playing football games since the "tape" version EH's (matchstick men) International Football.


I am no fan of one game, but the best game on the go at that time , and this time its PES3. That might change! but I think not, not for sometime to come.
 

zwank

Club Supporter
Man..i was just playing this game...and I got so pissed I closed like 1/2 of my season. I was going to post all of these points, but now that you mentioned them there is no point. God damnit this is so annoying how fast the fu*ing CPU players are compared toyour own!
 

Spurs4Life

Starting XI
Another cheating bug i noticed is that when the computer has possesion u are like 3 yards away from them,but when u have the ball they are right up close against u trying to tackle....its not fair how the player gets so little space yet the computer gets plenty when in possesion.
 

MightyTic

Senior Squad
well I thought of doing to the same, but then thought better of it. Its my first season so as a newbee no shame in mid-table. I just won my last two games:- 4-0 v Rangers and 4-0 away to Ajax. :)) Im happy again, see what a few wins can do for you. Since I was a kid kicking a ball about the streets ( jumpers for goalposts and laced up leather ball ) I'd argue that black an blue that the ball hit the post if even part of the ball hit the arm of the jumper. I just hated being beat and that has lasted all this time, a bit more mellow now ..not much. So with these 2 wins I am sitting in 7th place just 9 points of the lead with 7 games to go.

1 I spotted in the Ajax game, Larsson middle of the park going forward, last defender right in front of me coming to me, Sutton to my left and forward of me. I wait for the defender to close, I angle my analog stick to the top/left to Sutton and at the last moment I press the pass button. Larsson with the ball on his right foot, side foots the ball to the right by the on coming defender. The ball goes a couple of yards and Sutton is left making his run off to my left and the ball goes right! Why? I had my stick facing left to Sutton but when I press pass with the stick still pointing to the top left I pass it near staright forward just passed the defender, but not to my left but to my right and that was an AAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH moment!
 

TinnionA97

Club Supporter
Sorry, I don't have a screenshot of this but I was playing a game where I had 24 shots(about 75% on target I think) and the computer had 6. What was the score? 1-0 to the everton. Until that match I'd never come across the superkeeper, made famous by Championship Manager.

Don't get me wrong, the keeper was definately more realistic(in that most of the shots were actually saveable) but I dislike the fact that it is for this one match it happens, and not the lot of them.

I never play with accumalted fatigue now - because until we are on level pegging I don't see why I should have it.

The cheating is another reason why I don't feel guilty about buying retired players(I have THE CHEAT Maradona, Ruud Gullit, Bobby Charlton, Effenberg, Baresi and more) and making superplayers from youth in a season(Pilliniak, Petipa)
 

MightyTic

Senior Squad
Each to there own its only a game ( well nearly haahha ) but I have decided to play as my team Celtic and I won't be buying any players that don't play for the team just now ... so no Raul or Giggs for me. I will stick to the team I have, if in January Celtic buy or get players in I will change it then! I take it that the stats on these patches are from CM4, so as they are out of 20 I take the people putting them together just x by 5 as PES stats are out of a 100.?
 

TinnionA97

Club Supporter
No, the stats aren't from CM4. Quinton Fortune is way to good on the game. There was an arrangement for SI games to share stats from CM 01/02 in PES2(or maybe just the database names), but they've gone and used their own stats here.

So I have had to edit all the EPL teams to more fitting stats. I mean look at Giggs' free kick and corner ratings!
 

Ominous

Youth Team
Originally posted by rado907
thats true
sometimes the comp freaks out and slaughters me
i have learned to bear it like a man ;-)

hehehe :funny:

how many times has sm1 really felt like entering the pc n killing those forwards with bare knuckles? (those forwards who seem to hav the ball glued to their boots n draw away 2-3 of ur defenders leaving a striker enuff time n space to dig a summer cottage in the middle of the box)

seriously.... does ANY1 win on a CONSISTENT basis in this game???

more importantly.... HOW?????
 

MightyTic

Senior Squad
Well Ive got a reply of 1, A L1 lob over the defence my forward runs (sprints) after it. About 2 yards outside the box the ball comes down and bouces about shoulder hight and arc's to the edge of the box where the keeper is waiting to grab it ( you know the one you've seen them a hundered times before) I too, but this time a defender comes in aross his keeper and they both miss the ball and it come down behind them and it rolling loose about 7 or 8 feet behind them. They are still at the edge of the box and my forward is facing the ball running ( i have sprint held down and the analog stick facing the direction of the loose ball. I stop the reply, at this momnet my leading foot is coming down on the line of the box and the keeper and defender are still to turn back to face the ball running behind them. Next frame, I stop!? I have not taken my finger off the sprint button or changed direction. The keeper and defender turn and start after the ball, my sprint starts again. Move the frames on, and at one point the 3 players are shoulder to shoulder my forward on the left in the middle the keeper and on his shoulder his defender on the right. I move a frame again, and my forward as I stop this frame is getting a stride in front of both keeper and defender. I look along the line and turn the camera around the 3 of them and my forward is now half a stride up of the keeper and his defender. I am going to get to the ball first and turn my shot towards an open goal. NOT on your CPU's life I;m NOT! I start the replay again and as my foot comes down and I am just about a half a body in front of both, my forward takes one more step towards the loose ball about 6 feet in front of him and to his right an open goal, he STOPS DEAD! and the ball rolls on! the keeper then runs past my forward and as he takes and few more strides to the ball and is just about to dive on it, my forward starts his sprint again AT NO TIME DURING ANY OF THIS MOVE HAVE I TAKEN MY FINGER OFF THE SPRINT BUTTON OR CHANGED MY DIRECTION! I was always pointing my analog stick in the direction of the loose ball. As the keeper is diving down my forward as I said, starts to sprint again and as he nears the keeper, jumps over the keeper who had just landed on the loose ball. .......twice in the move my forward STOPS and then goes again .. its like there is a NO GO area aroud a keeper if you don't have the ball at your feet. Yes you can dribble around a keeper but you'll never get near him if the 2 of you are going for a loose ball in the area.

I hope they fix this in PES4, and another thing why can't your players stand right up behind a player who is waiting for a throw in?
 


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