AC Milan vs. Man. United (2nd leg) [P+R]

[Kimikal™]

Thank you Manchester Utd. and Chelsea for showing great football. Both showed they are great teams, but Milan and Liverpool were simply better. I don't think the final will be as entertaining as the one from Istanbul, but it definitely will be a great game. Congrats!

 

[VanTheMin]

thats why Fergie is blaming the Premier League for being knocked out by Milan.

he hasnt been specific in blaming them for BEING KNOCKED OUT.
he has criticised the schedule..rightly so.
and he has even prasied milan for their marvelous performance...

btw...why am i wsting time with atwat like you?
go hidde urself in a laundry basket...follor ur manager's ethics

 

[big al]

Oh, i can see that there were errors on all the goals and not much of tiredness because Vidic didn't cover Kaka on the first one, miskicked his clearance on the second one and Vidic wasn't tired, he wasn't match fit. Infact the United defense wasn't really tired because they are bench players, they have been resting the whole season, while players like Ronaldo, Giggs, Scholes, Rooney and Carrick have been playing 2 games a week for over 2 month now. Yes, United had only 2 days rest before they beat Roma, but that was in England, they beat Milan in England as well. But that was Roma, a team full of players that never been to the quater finals of the CL. All these games add up. You bring Porstmouth in the example, United played Roma with 10 players for an hour, while Porstmouth had a nice long 7 day rest. United were really tired after a long game and a long flight, Pompey was very fresh playing at home. Pompey won because they had more energy and not because they are a better team.


Again about Serie A, Ronaldo wasn't bought 2 weeks ago, now was he? So how is that relevant to the fact that Milan played their reserve team in the last two league games? I don't know how it is in the rest of europe, but in England, when you rest more than half your team, it means that you don't mind losing the game to get your players rested. If Milan can afford to rest 7-8 players for a game, then there is no way that their games are as demanding as United ones. Milan can't move up any further in the standings, no matter if they win or lose, but if United slip up at least a little bit, then all season's hard work will be gone in a second. Milan played with their second team, while United had to comeback from a 2-0 down in a must-win game. Same demands? Obviously not.


I'm not saying that fatigue was the only reason, why Milan won, i wouldn't be saying that they deserved to win otherwise, but it was one of the biggest factors in this game. If you don't see it, after i explain it in the simplest ways possible, then you'll never see it or just always chose to ignore it. If you don't want to believe that resting more than half the team means that they will be fresh, then there is nothing i can do because its the most obvious thing in football. The players that were tired the most are all the attacking players that have been playing 2 games per week for almost 10 weeks in a row. If your attacking players are tired, then how can 1. protect the defense well for 90 minutes (like Gattuso did), 2. run around with the ball, pegging the other team as close to the net as possible? Tired feet can't do that. If you didn't see Ronaldo being tired, then you must not be watching him a lot because his movement off the ball and on the ball was totally different from what it was a few weeks ago. You think he is scared? Scared of what or who? He played in EURO final and World Cup semifinal, single-handedly carring his country there, he has been an instrumental figure this season in EPL a league where defenders kick you much more than in Italy. What was he supposed to be scared of? He was exhausted from all the games played not scared.



If you don't see such an obvious thing as fatigue to why United couldn't mount a decent attack or help the defense out, then you never will. I can't explain it any longer, its there, it was a big factore, the facts are totally there. If you still chose to no acknowledge it and ignore instead, then whatever its your choice, i don't want to think about this game any longer. NOT implying that you don't know anything, but any person that knows something about football, would easily see, how much of a factor fatigue was in this game.

well you know what iam tired about? its talking about the issue really; iam not tryin to ingnore nothing; i now what saw; once again you missed my point about the portsmouth argument; i wasnt trying to say why manchester that lost that game against them; i was trying to state if fatigue is a huge factor in your mind why did they trash roma with only 2 days rest; you already mention ist been 2 months playing 2 games in a week. that game wasnt that long ago really;
on the other issue milan already knew when they brought ronaldo they had a chance fighting for a spot to the next CL ; do you really think milan would sit back and leave for faith, i dont think you know how important is to milan qualifyin for the next CL; and more when they have a real chance,
about ronaldo he did looked scared , its like he didnt knew what to do with the ball anymore, you saying every player was tired its like dismissing every effort milan did yesterday any way you slice it ; i just dont see it that way and thats my original point; i can also respect you opinion mate , but you are almost the only one here that thinks fatigue was the major factor of manchester demise; you saying it doesnt means its true really so dont call it as facts; cause th only real fact is manchester could won that game if they really wanted to; there were alot of other major factors going on this game and think you fail or dont give them much as importance.; their also facts that state fatigue hasnt affect manchester.

lets just leave that you think fatigue was the major factor and i dont

 

[Harmsworth1]

Definitely, a nice game... Well'see what the final holds for us!

 

[Help?]

well you know what iam tired about? its talking about the issue really; iam not tryin to ingnore nothing; i now what saw; once again you missed my point about the portsmouth argument; i wasnt trying to say why manchester that lost that game against them; i was trying to state if fatigue is a huge factor in your mind why did they trash roma with only 2 days rest; you already mention ist been 2 months playing 2 games in a week. that game wasnt that long ago really;
on the other issue milan already knew when they brought ronaldo they had a chance fighting for a spot to the next CL ; do you really think milan would sit back and leave for faith, i dont think you know how important is to milan qualifyin for the next CL; and more when they have a real chance,
about ronaldo he did looked scared , its like he didnt knew what to do with the ball anymore, you saying every player was tired its like dismissing every effort milan did yesterday any way you slice it ; i just dont see it that way and thats my original point; i can also respect you opinion mate , but you are almost the only one here that thinks fatigue was the major factor of manchester demise; you saying it doesnt means its true really so dont call it as facts; cause th only real fact is manchester could won that game if they really wanted to; there were alot of other major factors going on this game and think you fail or dont give them much as importance.; their also facts that state fatigue hasnt affect manchester.

lets just leave that you think fatigue was the major factor and i dont

aight

 

[Zaptech]

lmao I'm loving ur comments... so creative

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

hahahahahaaa

yes I feel so f*cking good

its so good to see you Man U fans so pissed off

hope u lose the rest of the EPL games as well so the Russians win for the 3rd time in a row

If refer to me then I'm not angry about the result I just think ur a d*ck

 

[dannyeli]

Let my give my 2 cents here..... Manchester was tired... YES.... that Milan ONLY high priority after beating B.M. was the CL...YES.... Now, what do you want more the CL or the FA cup ???? Other thing, is not like you guys were tied with Chelsea you had or have points ahead of them to afford for ONE game, to rest some of the important players. In fact, against Everton Ronaldo was on the becnh and came up as a sub. So he was being rested it. What ManU lack is depth to plug some players that can actually give you a win or a tie in competitions like the FA or a single game in the EPL.

I know that for all the teams, and this is a fact the first priority is always the domestic league and as the season goes on, then you may change objectives. Now, there was and there isn't anything secure on a CL spot for next season, we had to over come 8 points, and the fact that Lazio got all of their points back plus the normal teams adding points while we tried to get to 0 made it more difficult and the fact that you HAVE TO win almost every game to have a chance of getting that 4th place also demanded more than 100% from their players.

It is well known that if a team like Milan don't qualify for the CL, not only the lost of millions of euros, but the fact that big name players may not come and some go from our team was a fact, so there is also pressure there for Milan to have a great season, considering the problems at the start of the season, at least in Italy.

Now, that is more important to secure at least one title (like the EPL) that none, is very true. But you could have afford one game with a second team IMO, i mean as well as in Italy some EPL opponents are just not that good, not even for a second team of a team like ManU.

But more than fatigue or tactics, i think the real problem was your defence..... 2 away goals and 3 goals, when you knew you can't gave then a goal ???? Rooney proved to be dangerous in England, he scored and in the second leg we learned the lesson, but with a better defence who knows, because it wasn't like Inzaghi was a threat or even Gilardino in the first leg.

 

[big al]

Let my give my 2 cents here..... Manchester was tired... YES.... that Milan ONLY high priority after beating B.M. was the CL...YES.... Now, what do you want more the CL or the FA cup ???? Other thing, is not like you guys were tied with Chelsea you had or have points ahead of them to afford for ONE game, to rest some of the important players. In fact, against Everton Ronaldo was on the becnh and came up as a sub. So he was being rested it. What ManU lack is depth to plug some players that can actually give you a win or a tie in competitions like the FA or a single game in the EPL.

I know that for all the teams, and this is a fact the first priority is always the domestic league and as the season goes on, then you may change objectives. Now, there was and there isn't anything secure on a CL spot for next season, we had to over come 8 points, and the fact that Lazio got all of their points back plus the normal teams adding points while we tried to get to 0 made it more difficult and the fact that you HAVE TO win almost every game to have a chance of getting that 4th place also demanded more than 100% from their players.

It is well known that if a team like Milan don't qualify for the CL, not only the lost of millions of euros, but the fact that big name players may not come and some go from our team was a fact, so there is also pressure there for Milan to have a great season, considering the problems at the start of the season, at least in Italy.

Now, that is more important to secure at least one title (like the EPL) that none, is very true. But you could have afford one game with a second team IMO, i mean as well as in Italy some EPL opponents are just not that good, not even for a second team of a team like ManU.

But more than fatigue or tactics, i think the real problem was your defence..... 2 away goals and 3 goals, when you knew you can't gave then a goal ???? Rooney proved to be dangerous in England, he scored and in the second leg we learned the lesson, but with a better defence who knows, because it wasn't like Inzaghi was a threat or even Gilardino in the first leg.

i agree this was i was talking about before; i mean milan prioritys changed after the second half of the season; i mean having 8 points shaved off and still having a real chance to qualify for the next CL , i mean its a thing to reckon, i dont think milan would just forget about the domestic league, milan have a diferent view about the CL than anybody else on the calcio; its their tournament.
my opinion about the game was for me the tactics that ancelotti apply overcame manchester; but the bottom line is that those 3 goals those 2 huge errors by the defence are the reason milan is the final.

 

[didy]

he hasnt been specific in blaming them for BEING KNOCKED OUT.
he has criticised the schedule..rightly so.
and he has even prasied milan for their marvelous performance...

btw...why am i wsting time with atwat like you?
go hidde urself in a laundry basket...follor ur manager's ethics

stop wasting time on me and spend time where its needed, your spelling is awful.

 

[VanTheMin]

stop wasting time on me and spend time where its needed, your spelling is awful.

they're a typo

and der are loads of other stuff we need to do...
unlike you..observing obi mikel's d*ck 24x7

 

[adedawson]

Its no big secret after Man U's starting 11 are team is little to be desired. Poor squad rotation, playing in 3 major comptetions that we dont want to lose it was a matter of time before we lost something. Lets be frank i'm amazed we held out this long. Remember the injury trouble last season, nightmare.

Were seriosly lacking holding midfeild also, everyone know the games won at midfeild I think thats why milan dominate's and it showed in that last game.

Anyway great game, good luck to them.

I can only hope buying in a few new players over the summer we can have a crack in it next season. They were even talking about our poor squad during that everton match. At that point we were losing and chelsea winning, They were saying if you look who chelsea have on the bench then compare it with united.

I think we done really well to get this far, this is the best we have done since 99, 8 years ago . Its glad to know we might get reconzied this year for how well we done rather then past success's & history. Things can only get better considering our squad, new signings, players on loan coming back. We have quite the young squad.

One thing that worries me when we have to replace scholes, giggs, nev and co that will certainly hit the squad.

Anyway going off topic, milan were clearly the better team on the day, we will be gunning for you next season to get our revenge!!

 

[Harmsworth1]

We have quite the young squad.

True... Its a good thing, but it may reflect negatively. Sometimes experience does count. And most of the young players are still slightly short of it.

Hopwever, you can only improve. Good luck, may you win this season and offer a good challange for the next.

 

[Help?]

Win what?

 

[night]

The CL ofcourse. Duh














Vimix.

 

[didy]

they're a typo

and der are loads of other stuff we need to do...
unlike you..observing obi mikel's d*ck 24x7

so every post you have made since i became a member here include typos? good luck.

 

[Harmsworth1]

The CL ofcourse. Duh

 

[Help?]

Adedawson is a United fan and he was talking about United. Sorry, i'm just not sure if your were kinda like sarcastic there/having a laugh or you were serious.

 

[Harmsworth1]

Adedawson is a United fan and he was talking about United. Sorry, i'm just not sure if your were kinda like sarcastic there/having a laugh or you were serious.

Nah, I'm never sarcastic about these things. To speak of it, they're a great team. But they need to develop. Milan is composed of weel established experienced players, who are in their prime (at least most of them i think).

 

[jatin]

Nah, I'm never sarcastic about these things. To speak of it, they're a great team. But they need to develop. Milan is composed of weel established experienced players, who are in their prime (at least most of them i think).

An Average age of 30 and an average age of 34 for the defense, that isnt considered prime, is it?

 

[rony31]

yes it is. Without Maldini/Cafu/Costacurta starting our average age drops down like 5 years