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60-foul matches are common in Brazilian football..

syaz_wan03

Senior Squad
Ugly side of Brazil football

RIO DE JANEIRO: Behind the glossy exterior of five world titles and the trickery of Ronaldinho, Brazilian domestic football presents a very different reality.

Financial difficulties, chaotic administration and violence on the field and off mean that most players and coaches jump at the first offer to move abroad, even to less fashionable soccer destinations such as Ukraine, Switzerland, Turkey, China or Qatar.

Far from Brazil's international reputation for artistry and attacking play, Brazilian domestic football is regarded as being among the most violent in the world, where 60-foul matches are common.

Almost every week, and sometimes every day, Brazilian domestic soccer conjures up scenarios almost unimaginable elsewhere.

Recently, Flamengo players fought with riot police at the Maracana Stadium on the same day that Cabofriense and Madureira were benefiting from a mysterious bus breakdown.

It was the last match-day in the qualifying stage of the Carioca Championship and all games were supposed to kick off at the same time.

Yet Madureira's alleged transport problems on their way to Cabo Frio delayed the kick off for more than half an hour.

As a result, they and opponents Cabofriense played the last half hour of the game knowing that a draw would send both teams into the semi-finals.

The outcome, perhaps predictably, was a tame goalless stalemate with barely a shot on goal.

Back at the Maracana, Flamengo and Vasco da Gama's game turned ugly.

One scuffle between the players prompted riot police to run on to the field followed by a legion of reporters, photographers, officials and self-styled security men.

At one stage, there were more than 100 people on the pitch where a professional football match was supposed to be taking place.

When the final whistle went, trouble broke out again. Flamengo players scuffled with police, one officer was seen using pepper spray to quell the trouble. Another grabbed a Flamengo player by the neck and held him down with his truncheon.

During matches themselves, referees use yellow and red cards sparingly and, even when they do punish rough play, they are often undermined by tribunals set up to examine the incidents that led to the sending-offs or bookings.

The so-called suspended effect allows any player who gets more than the automatic one-match ban to appeal and to keep on playing until the new hearing takes place.

Santos goalkeeper Fabio Costa was the latest to benefit as he carried on playing despite receiving a five-match ban for punching an opponent.

The Brazilian season kicks off with a plethora of regional competitions, using hugely complex formats that often change from year to year.

Rio de Janeiro's Carioca championship, for example, consists of two separate phases with the winners of each meeting in the final.

In the second phase, the teams are bewilderingly split into two groups but play only games against sides from the other group.

Brazil appeared to take a step forward in 2003 when, for the first time, the national championship was run on a conventional league format and extended to take up most of the season.

However, the competition, which runs from April to December, routinely suffers a mass exodus of its top players during June and July when the European transfer market opens for business.

Meanwhile, the state competitions continue as a kind of season curtain-raiser. This means that even before starting their 38-match programme in the Brazilian championship, teams have played up to 20 matches.

A demand for immediate success makes coaching a thankless task and when the dreaded chant of “donkey, donkey” echoes around the stadium, the coach knows his days may be numbered.

The turnover is extraordinarily high, with an average of over 50 coaching changes per season.

Fluminense, for example, are already on to their third coach since the 2006 season started in January. Atletico Paranaense, generally seen as one of the better-structured clubs, have employed six coaches since last April.

Zico, one of the top players in Brazilian history after Pele and currently coach of Japan, said he would never come back to work in his homeland under the present circumstances and suggested fans should be punished for the donkey chant.

“Everybody has a laugh and enjoys it, but it's absurd,” he said earlier this month.

“It's tough to go home and look at your kids and your family after being called a donkey.

“I'm never coming back while this sort of thing goes on.”

Pele famously described soccer as “the beautiful game” and just about every football fan in the world would agree that Brazil are capable of playing it more beautifully than anyone else.

Usually at a World Cup, and often a version far removed from its ugly relation back home. – Reuters

First of all...i dont say that i hate Brazilian football...but huh? 60 fouls matches is considered as common in the Brazilian league?

WTF??

Is that true? I really need anybody who watch Brazilian football to post about it here..

source:http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2006/4/14/sports/13956608&sec=sports
 
wow, if Brazillian games have 60 fouls, then Portuguese league games must have 100. Last week the Sporting-Porto game had 6 yellow cards in the first 30 minutes :rolleyes: It's mostly the ref's fault though, in some league's they blow the whistle for any slight contact which just ruins the game
 

syaz_wan03

Senior Squad
::shinji:: said:
It's mostly the ref's fault though, in some league's they blow the whistle for any slight contact which just ruins the game

yup...sometimes the ref is the one who is killing the match flow
 

Johnny_Big

Starting XI
::shinji:: said:
wow, if Brazillian games have 60 fouls, then Portuguese league games must have 100. Last week the Sporting-Porto game had 6 yellow cards in the first 30 minutes :rolleyes: It's mostly the ref's fault though, in some league's they blow the whistle for any slight contact which just ruins the game

Remember Boavista games some 4/5 seasons ago? Almost all of them had > 60 fouls. I remember one with 80! :rolleyes:
 

Lean

Fan Favourite
We get a couple of them every round, yes. If not 60, 50, or 40. Guarani, the club i support, used to average 35 fouls per game back in 1999.
 

pasion1

Senior Squad
I know. Especially the NT when they are losing (which you mostly only see vs. Argentina or Uruguay (H) ), they foul like crazy (and i man cleet up). Im still in shock that we are still seen as the "bad boys" (Along with Argentina) or world football when Peru, COlombia, Brazil, Ecuador do "High cleet" fouls regularly that EVEN WE (or Argentina) don't do. (and i see it regularly too)
 

Lean

Fan Favourite
Axolote said:
Palmeiras vs Cerro Porteño


Brazilians are great with the ball on their feet, but when they dont have it... :kader:

I didnt watch the video, but i can say Douglas, Palmeiras centre-back, got pushed first then he reacted and then the mess started.

And Argentina/Uruguay foul like crazy when they're winning, when they're losing, when they're drawing...

Dont get me started on dirtyness. I could wash myself on mud and i would be cleaner than the Argentinian and Uruguayan NT's together.
 

pasion1

Senior Squad
Grunger said:
I didnt watch the video, but i can say Douglas, Palmeiras centre-back, got pushed first then he reacted and then the mess started.

And Argentina/Uruguay foul like crazy when they're winning, when they're losing, when they're drawing...

Dont get me started on dirtyness. I could wash myself on mud and i would be cleaner than the Argentinian and Uruguayan NT's together.

We foul differently (but only vs. South American teams <and kinda Mexico>.) Vs. Europe or Asia, Uruguay never fouls like they do South America (mostly cause we can get away with it).

But in South America, our fouls are shoulder checks, strong slides (that may injure someone or not), and infinite amount of smack talk (my kind of football :D).

But Brazil? When they get pissed and start whining cause they are not winning, they start with the elbows and high cleets, something barbaric (Even to Argentina and Uruguay).

And Im scared to play vs. Africans. But they dont do it so much because they want to ....they are just brutes (like they dont mean wrong, its just the way they play <really agressive>).

But of course, everything we've been saying is on the individual and its descrimination to say its a whole country (Like when Montero fouling aparently officially made the entire Country of Uruguay "The dirtiest in the world" (and I dont think montero ever got a red card in National team....he's a different player there)
 

Axolote

Senior Squad
Grunger said:
I didnt watch the video, but i can say Douglas, Palmeiras centre-back, got pushed first then he reacted and then the mess started.

And Argentina/Uruguay foul like crazy when they're winning, when they're losing, when they're drawing...

Dont get me started on dirtyness. I could wash myself on mud and i would be cleaner than the Argentinian and Uruguayan NT's together.

Yes, we foul a lot...thats out of the question...

But our players are like that in all the leagues...Spain, England, Italy....

But Brazilian football isnt clean...a lot of people think that Brazilians are all about nice football, team spirit, and fair play...hehehe.
 

Lean

Fan Favourite
No, we are far from being clean. Our game has other types of dirty stuff tho. More like dives, rather than toughness. Also, our players usually lose their heads playing against Argentinian/Paraguayan/Uruguayan sides, it's the famous catimba. Then it gets really ugly. In my opinion we do it more because of the psychological side, instead of the other SA NT teams, which do it on a tactical aspect.

To end up the discussion, i'm from Brazil myself, so i know how things are here. The league here is mediocre/decent at best and there are some bad looking tackles. Far from me to discriminate any country as a whole. A NT is made by 23 players at most. (6)
 

Kibe Kru

Starting XI
There are more fouls here in Brazil because some really soft contacts are called... and there's a lot of diving, it doesn't mean we have 30 knee-high sliding tackles a match...

as for what Grunger mentioned, the media always love to say how the argies will look for trouble in every match, and the players get into that mood... so they stop reasoning and try to act tough and rough if the match doesn't go their way... (and the brazilian media love to say pre-fabricated ideas about football... England will always play the long ball into the box, Germany will always have strong players with no skill, Argentina = bully mentality and so on...)
 


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