2011 NFL season

[Deisler]

I have a feeling they are uneasy in Green Bay. I smell an upset. :-p

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Couldn't be more confident and relaxed.

 

[fenton]

how about that first quarter from the 49ers... on fire!

 

[Back Door Skip]

Couldn't be more confident and relaxed.

Sure about that?

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Still am.

Can't ******* STAND how many passes we drop EVERY GAME.

 

[yoyo913]

Yeah I saw a few plays and its ridiculous.

What's up with that fumble in the first quarter, both commentators and the analyst said the ball came from his hands before he hit the floor so it should have been ruled a fumble?

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Home field advantage?

 

[yoyo913]

The packs done gone goofed.

 

[ARIAGA II]

hol[e]y cheddar.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

I don't care what stats they post, these WRs we have a ****, and Finley is really something else. Not sure how you get to the NFL without being able to catch a pass. Giants did what they had to do, but I actually thought our defense did their job today. Rodgers was let down over and over again, which is sadly not a problem surfacing for the first time today. More like surfacing for the 31st time.

 

[Deisler]

Still am.

Can't ******* STAND how many passes we drop EVERY GAME.

So, where's my grilled cheese?

EliTE > Rogers.

Now if we beat the Niners (Their defense gave us tons of problems and i am sure they will be harder than the Packers to beat) i want Bratty and the defenseless Pats in the Superbowl, the Ravens have our number and they have a great defense.

Defense wins you titles, i don't care how many records does your QB break. Look at Brees and Rogers, they can outgun you but if they face a tough defensive unit they become worthless.

We can all lay down the "manning is not an elite QB" now.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

We can all lay down the "manning is not an elite QB" now.

I'm going to keep fighting this one like the abandoned Japanese soldiers on remote Pacific Islands in 1975 still fighting WWII.

 

[Deisler]

Well, glad to know you accept defeat and acknowledge the end of the line. And this time around you can't even play the Rogers has a worse team than Manning has, couse Manning has been doing this with rookie WRs, unproven TEs and an under performing core of RBs. Add to that the fact that the Giants have had more injuries than the entire league and the Mann has been exceptional. There is not a better QB in the 4th quarter and that is well documented. You can hate him as much as u want, Eli is the real deal.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

LOL, you must be ******* kidding. How many drops were there on both sides today? Eli played just as good as Rodgers, maybe slightly less because he wasn't running for first downs. He just had WRs who caught passes. Eli isn't elite, the regular season matters.

He's not Trent Dilfer anymore, and he's definitely no Tebow, but he's also no Brady. Not even close.

 

[Deisler]

regular season matters> What part of "plagues by injury season" didn't you get man? Not elite? WTF does Eli have to do to convince you?

Who gives a **** anyways? Truth is Eli and the Giants are going to play in the championship game, Rogers and your boys aren't. Live with it.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

I'm living with it. They didn't deserve to go. Maybe we have different definitions of elite; I only consider Brees, Brady, Rodgers, and Big Ben to be elite, plus a healthy Manning. Those guys can win Super Bowls without great defenses. Everyone else needs the defense to do most of the heavy lifting. Again, Eli isn't Dilfer IMO anymore. I think he belongs as a Super Bowl winning QB, but he's just not at the top of his profession, which is what I consider elite.

 

[Deisler]

Big Ben doesn't need defense to win it all? Yeah like having the best defensive line in the league is not much help. So being clutch on the 4th quarter where it usually matters most doesn't make you Elite. Winning a SB on the road, to go along with a SB MVP, doesn't make you elite. Like i said, who gives a crap, if he continues to win without being "elite" i could care less. At the end of the day i as a fan don't care if i have a better QB i much prefer to have the better team. Today the Giants were at a much higher level than the Packers and Eli was much better than Rogers.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

It seems like you do care, but I would rather win with a lesser QB too. Luckily the Packers win with a great QB, so it's all good

Honestly bro, Eli's accomplishments in the playoffs have been matched by all of those other guys that I listed. Ben and Rodgers won the SB as a wildcard too. The regular season (much like the Premiership and why we don't judge guys solely on the FA Cup or Champions League) is a long season where a player's true ability will come out on average over the year. To be great, you have to dominate all facets of the game. Brady didn't become great when he won his first Super Bowl, he became great when he started dominating the regular season.

Anyway, it's one season, and repeating is hard. No biggie. Now draft some ******* defenders.

 

[Deisler]

No biggie. Now draft some ******* defenders.

Someone like JPP, who is rguably the best defensive rookie, and he backs up his guarantees too.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

JPP wouldn't fit in GB because of the 3-4 system I think. Maybe he would, I don't know. In an ideal world where we get a first for Flynn I want one of the Athletic DTs (Devon Still, Fletcher Cox, Jerel Worthy) and an elite pass rusher for OLB (Andre Branch, Melvin Ingram, Courtney Upshaw). Then if he slides I'd be all over the beast Vontaze Burfict, I don't give a **** about his attitude problems.