Arsenal F.C. Thread [2010-11]

Gunnersgoal22 · Mar 9, 2011

Sevillista;2997252 said:
Exaggerate much? He made one controversial call against Arsenal, and Van Persie wasn't involved in the match anyways. Barcelona should've had a penalty in the first half, and he forgave Koscielny a second yellow card on the penalty. Bad calls on both sides, difference is that Arsenal have done nothing to deserve the match. I take that back, they just had their first chance on goal but Bendtner botched it.

No...

One controversial call against Arsenal (that's not true btw but I'll let it slide), but that call absolutely ruined the game. You say Van Persie wasn't involved: well yes he wasn't getting in behind the defense and getting shots on goal, but his sending off absolutely did make a difference. After Van Persie was sent off, Arsenal had no hope of retaining possession in the Barca half, and you can be sure that Arsenal would have pushed a lot harder for their second goal if RVP was on the field. You can say Arsenal never did anything with Van Persie on the field, but Arsenal are a confidence team, and before Van Persie got sent off they were well in the game with their confidence increasing. I'm convinced that if he stayed on the pitch Arsenal would have had at least a few brief spells of being on top.

Also, the foul on Messi in the first half was outside of the box, so no that wasn't a penalty, and who gives a **** that Koscielny should have been sent off after the penalty, the game was over by that point anyway.

Anyway, good luck to Barca for the rest of the competition.

Sevillista · Mar 9, 2011

ShiftyPowers;2997394 said:
I never saw that. I saw an extremely compact back four, Barca players had TONS of space on the outside.

Yes, so at times they dropped a couple more guys back, and you had that back four plus two more on the flanks.

Gunnersgoal22;2997408 said:
No...

One controversial call against Arsenal (that's not true btw but I'll let it slide), but that call absolutely ruined the game. You say Van Persie wasn't involved: well yes he wasn't getting in behind the defense and getting shots on goal, but his sending off absolutely did make a difference. After Van Persie was sent off, Arsenal had no hope of retaining possession in the Barca half, and you can be sure that Arsenal would have pushed a lot harder for their second goal if RVP was on the field. You can say Arsenal never did anything with Van Persie on the field, but Arsenal are a confidence team, and before Van Persie got sent off they were well in the game with their confidence increasing. I'm convinced that if he stayed on the pitch Arsenal would have had at least a few brief spells of being on top.

That red card did not ruin the game, it just turned Barcelona's overwhelming domination into absolute domination. Arsenal spent almost no time in Barcelona's half, so what is this fantasy that if RVP had stayed in the match Arsenal would have been on the attack? Nobody is disputing that his red card was bogus, but Arsenal did as much with 11 men as they did with 10.

Gunnersgoal22;2997408 said:
Also, the foul on Messi in the first half was outside of the box, so no that wasn't a penalty, and who gives a **** that Koscielny should have been sent off after the penalty, the game was over by that point anyway.

The ball was outside of the box, Messi was not. It's a penalty.

And who gives a **** that Van Persie was sent off, the game was over by that point anyway.

VanTheMan · Mar 9, 2011

I feel really bad for Arsenal...
there are so many games where a team gets raped in terms of passes or shots on goals but manages to squeeze through...
Wenger tried that way and was almost successful,
THe Van persie red card surely changed things....
I feel Arsenal got robbed still...

If players and managers get punishments for bad tackles, words, etc..WHY THE FCK DONT REFS GET PUNISHED..THIS IS INSANE.

Arnau · Mar 9, 2011

Looks like gunners only remember Van Persie red card, there was also an On-goal by Messi in the emirates and a clear penalty. Even with 11 vs 11 Arsenal couldn't make anything against Barça insane pressure, what a sore loser Wenger is it we shot more times to Valdés goal than Arsenal does.

Jaboldinho · Mar 9, 2011

I get that people are irritated by the van Persie red card, but I just can't see how it was a **** call by the ref. I mean, it was clear he had heard the whistle go. There's no way he ends his one-on-one against the goalkeeper by not even looking at the goal and just shooting the ball if he thinks it's still on. No way. It's clearly stated that if a player does that, it's a yellow card. Sure, it's harsh to give someone their second yellow card and send them off for that, but that's how it's supposed to go. Most refs wouldn't have the balls to do it, but they should. The foul for the second card doesn't have to be more blatant than the first.

Also, as pointed out by many already, we were totally dominant. We should've been given a penalty in the second half. Gunnersgoal, see the replays, it's there.

And seriously, even if the refereeing was biased towards us (haha), would you be proud if your team somehow went through playing like that? 9 men constantly behind the ball, yet not applying any pressure at all, and never even trying to keep the ball or start a counter attack when you somehow got it. I'm disappointed. I thought Arsenal were better than that.

Anyway, good game. Now go win the Premier League!

Help? · Mar 9, 2011

Sevillista;2997420 said:
And who gives a **** that Van Persie was sent off, the game was over by that point anyway.

It was 1-1 at that point. Barca dominate everybody with their passing but they don't win every game do they? Need I remind you of United-Barca 3 years ago or Inter-Barca last year?

If there is one player that can make a goal out of nothing for Arsenal, its Van Persie. One lucky bounce or a lucky corner (like the Busquest og) and Arsenal could have had a 2nd, which would have arguably put Barcelona out of the tie. I know I am shooting the ever amazing "what ifs" here, but you don't need to be an expert to see that sending off RvP was the biggest decision in this game and ended any chance Arsenal had of progressing. Domination of possession is great, but it doesn't always gets you the win.

As for the rule book, all those rules are open for interpretation and as far as I'm concerned, the ref waited roughly 1 second before blowing the whistle to book Van Persie (which is roughly how long it takes to put the whistle in your mouth and blow it). A good sensible ref would have considered the circumstances.

Jobaldinho: that's exactly what Van Persie did, its called instinct. You look at the goal before receiving the pass, so that once you actually do get the ball you don't waste any more time. I don't know what you are on about "looking at the goal" thing but here is a video where you can clearly see that he never looked at the goal until after having already taken that shot

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/robin-van-persie-red-card-barcelona-8708606/

And I'm not an Arsenal fan so I can't speak for them, but I'm pretty sure that they would rather be in quarters having defended the whole game, then lose while creating a few good chances. They did beat you at the Emirates, didn't they?

I'll leave some of you less knowledgeable once about football with this wisdom of knowledge. You don't play every game the same way (Mourinho said it, not me). When stakes are high, Barcelona ALWAYS brings their A-game, so trying to play Barcelona's passing game at Camp Nou AGAINST Barcelona is instant suicide, but it seems like that's what some of you expect other teams to do and if they don't you say you are dissapointed in them. Learn the f'ing tactical side of football first, goddamit.

Fejsbruk · Mar 9, 2011

Does anyone remember Messi shooting at goal while in offside and not getting even a warning. It was a realy short time before Van Persies RC. Also what about Abidals choking Arsenal player.

ARIAGA II · Mar 9, 2011

poet11;2997361 said:
...and again Rosicky WTF!!! does he suck arsenes cock if he plays???arshavin atleast could have passed the ball better than him.One goal could have opened up the game so that we could find more space.

To be fair some of Rosicky's criticism has been undeserved especially when you compare his case to Eduardo. Dudu had the more horrific injury but Rosi's kept him out for longer and probably affected him more. That said I really don't see him being in next season's squad same may be the case for Denilson.

About teh referee, it is almost universally agreed that RVP's red card was retarded. The outcome might not have been changed if he had not been sent off, but it affect the game .

Payaah · Mar 9, 2011

Help?;2997695 said:
It was 1-1 at that point. Barca dominate everybody with their passing but they don't win every game do they? Need I remind you of United-Barca 3 years ago or Inter-Barca last year?

If there is one player that can make a goal out of nothing for Arsenal, its Van Persie. One lucky bounce or a lucky corner (like the Busquest og) and Arsenal could have had a 2nd, which would have arguably put Barcelona out of the tie. I know I am shooting the ever amazing "what ifs" here, but you don't need to be an expert to see that sending off RvP was the biggest decision in this game and ended any chance Arsenal had of progressing. Domination of possession is great, but it doesn't always gets you the win.

As for the rule book, all those rules are open for interpretation and as far as I'm concerned, the ref waited roughly 1 second before blowing the whistle to book Van Persie (which is roughly how long it takes to put the whistle in your mouth and blow it). A good sensible ref would have considered the circumstances.

Jobaldinho: that's exactly what Van Persie did, its called instinct. You look at the goal before receiving the pass, so that once you actually do get the ball you don't waste any more time. I don't know what you are on about "looking at the goal" thing but here is a video where you can clearly see that he never looked at the goal until after having already taken that shot

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/robin-van-persie-red-card-barcelona-8708606/

And I'm not an Arsenal fan so I can't speak for them, but I'm pretty sure that they would rather be in quarters having defended the whole game, then lose while creating a few good chances. They did beat you at the Emirates, didn't they?

I'll leave some of you less knowledgeable once about football with this wisdom of knowledge. You don't play every game the same way (Mourinho said it, not me). When stakes are high, Barcelona ALWAYS brings their A-game, so trying to play Barcelona's passing game at Camp Nou AGAINST Barcelona is instant suicide, but it seems like that's what some of you expect other teams to do and if they don't you say you are dissapointed in them. Learn the f'ing tactical side of football first, goddamit.

+1

Sevillista;2997420 said:
Yes, so at times they dropped a couple more guys back, and you had that back four plus two more on the flanks.

That red card did not ruin the game, it just turned Barcelona's overwhelming domination into absolute domination. Arsenal spent almost no time in Barcelona's half, so what is this fantasy that if RVP had stayed in the match Arsenal would have been on the attack? Nobody is disputing that his red card was bogus, but Arsenal did as much with 11 men as they did with 10.

Generally teams tend to sit back more than usual if the score is in their favour especially away which was the case with Arsenal (with 11 men at 0-0 and 1-1). We probably would have seen a different Arsenal with 11 men 2-1/3-1 down. Once it was 10 men it was pretty much game over. Playing 10 men against Barcalona is too much to ask, this is Barcalona after all. Red card did ruin the game.

poet11 · Mar 9, 2011

Ilaje;2997825 said:
To be fair some of Rosicky's criticism has been undeserved especially when you compare his case to Eduardo. Dudu had the more horrific injury but Rosi's kept him out for longer and probably affected him more. That said I really don't see him being in next season's squad same may be the case for Denilson.

About teh referee, it is almost universally agreed that RVP's red card was retarded. The outcome might not have been changed if he had not been sent off, but it affect the game .

Ok bro here is the thing. I know criticism towards rosicky is unfair as he wasnt sharp at all.this injury thing only complicates gifted players progression. trust me i used to be a huge fan tomas rosicky. personally at one point he was one my favourite players.he was immensely skillful,had great vision and i was always patient that one day he will fulfil the expectations but he is 30 or something now and its almost impossible to revive his career but i hope that happens one day.

About denilson trust he is no holding midfield player he is better of as a playmaker and good at attacking

Gunnersgoal22 · Mar 9, 2011

Sevillista;2997420 said:
Yes, so at times they dropped a couple more guys back, and you had that back four plus two more on the flanks.

That red card did not ruin the game, it just turned Barcelona's overwhelming domination into absolute domination. Arsenal spent almost no time in Barcelona's half, so what is this fantasy that if RVP had stayed in the match Arsenal would have been on the attack? Nobody is disputing that his red card was bogus, but Arsenal did as much with 11 men as they did with 10.

The ball was outside of the box, Messi was not. It's a penalty.

And who gives a **** that Van Persie was sent off, the game was over by that point anyway.

Haha the game was over when Van Persie was sent off?! We were in the ******* lead were we not?!

Look I'm not arguing that Barca didn't deserve to go through based on the way things turned out, absolutely they did and I would have been shocked if they didn't. What I am arguing though is that Van Persie's sending off affected Arsenal at a point when they had a good chance of advancing. Of course Barca dominated but Arsenal definitely would have pushed much harder with RVP on the pitch for their second goal once Barca regained the lead... I'm not even really sure how you could argue against that.

Help? · Mar 9, 2011

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Sevillista · Mar 9, 2011

Gunnersgoal22;2997982 said:
Haha the game was over when Van Persie was sent off?! We were in the ******* lead were we not?!

Look I'm not arguing that Barca didn't deserve to go through based on the way things turned out, absolutely they did and I would have been shocked if they didn't. What I am arguing though is that Van Persie's sending off affected Arsenal at a point when they had a good chance of advancing. Of course Barca dominated but Arsenal definitely would have pushed much harder with RVP on the pitch for their second goal once Barca regained the lead... I'm not even really sure how you could argue against that.

Dude, it was a joke, in response to "the match was over after the red card," hence the emoticon. The match wasn't over in either case.

Obviously Arsenal would have had a better chance with RvP on the pitch, but this did not *decide* the match. To say Arsenal were "robbed" insinuates that Arsenal probably would have won if not for the red, which is absurd, and to say that the ref "ruined" the match insinuates that Arsenal were competitive with 11 men, which they were not.

If it were a tightly contested match, and Barcelona only took over after the red, then I would agree with the victimization of Arsenal.

Gunnersgoal22 · Mar 9, 2011

Sevillista;2997989 said:
Dude, it was a joke, in response to "the match was over after the red card," hence the emoticon. The match wasn't over in either case.

Obviously Arsenal would have had a better chance with RvP on the pitch, but this did not *decide* the match. To say Arsenal were "robbed" insinuates that Arsenal probably would have won if not for the red, which is absurd, and to say that the ref "ruined" the match insinuates that Arsenal were competitive with 11 men, which they were not.

If it were a tightly contested match, and Barcelona only took over after the red, then I would agree with the victimization of Arsenal.

I'm sorry but Arsenal were competitive with eleven men, at the point of the sending off Barca were behind. Arsenal never took control of the game with eleven men because they didn't need to- they were ahead for all but about 15 minutes of the game when it was 11 vs 11. Now I'm not saying Barca wouldn't have still dominated had Arsenal not been in the lead, but we would have really started to play football at the end if we needed a goal. Once the ref sent off Van Persie, we didn't really have a chance of playing our football.

Help? · Mar 9, 2011

Sevillista;2997989 said:
Dude, it was a joke, in response to "the match was over after the red card," hence the emoticon. The match wasn't over in either case.

Obviously Arsenal would have had a better chance with RvP on the pitch, but this did not *decide* the match. To say Arsenal were "robbed" insinuates that Arsenal probably would have won if not for the red, which is absurd, and to say that the ref "ruined" the match insinuates that Arsenal were competitive with 11 men, which they were not.

If it were a tightly contested match, and Barcelona only took over after the red, then I would agree with the victimization of Arsenal.

Actually from your words one can conclude that you believe that Barcelona would have cruised easily into the quarters (merely because they dominated possession) no matter whether Arsenal got a red card or not. Which is what we completely disagree with.

Sevillista · Mar 10, 2011

Gunnersgoal22;2997993 said:
I'm sorry but Arsenal were competitive with eleven men, at the point of the sending off Barca were behind. Arsenal never took control of the game with eleven men because they didn't need to- they were ahead for all but about 15 minutes of the game when it was 11 vs 11. Now I'm not saying Barca wouldn't have still dominated had Arsenal not been in the lead, but we would have really started to play football at the end if we needed a goal. Once the ref sent off Van Persie, we didn't really have a chance of playing our football.

Competitive in what sense? Arsenal were 1-1 by sheer luck. They had their chance to "play their football" all match, but they were stuck in their own half all match due to Barca's play (and their own lack of play). Arsene never intended to sit back all match; it's not his style and he insisted that Arsenal would go in search of a goal. Isn't Arsenal's strength their counterattack anyways? They failed to mount a single dangerous counterattack while protecting their lead, so what would they have done differently needing a goal?

Help?;2997997 said:
Actually from your words one can conclude that you believe that Barcelona would have cruised easily into the quarters (merely because they dominated possession) no matter whether Arsenal got a red card or not. Which is what we completely disagree with.

Barcelona would have cruised, just like they were cruising all match, and you're disagreeing with this despite no evidence all match that Arsenal could cope in any way with Barcelona. That is what I find laughable.

Help? · Mar 10, 2011

Teams that dominate all game DON'T necessarily progress. Have a good day, I'm done arguing with you.

poet11 · Mar 10, 2011

Listen bro i do agree with everything that barcelona are the strongest team in europe but they can be beaten and trust me on this one Arsenal were the only team that had the capability to beat barcelona even at the Nou Camp and the red card had a huge part and u know it was nonsense and a meaningless call and also barca should have had a penalty.there were other decisions also Abidal should have been sent off for grabbing Robins throat and Koscienly for the penalty shouldnt have been on the pitch. Your name user name shows u support Sevilla and if ur team gains the advantage from an own goal at the CL stage would u complain???i highly doubt that.

then how come arsenal won at the emirates???there were lucky decisions on our side. messi was onside wrong call from the lines man and arshavin had a hand ball inside the penalty box which wasnt seen and yes it wasnt deliberate so thats not a big deal.i love beautiful football but results matter to me more than how many passes u put together.if u pass the ball within your back four and gk for five to six minutes that statistic of passes completed will be more.i dont care about that ****. the only stat matters is the ******* scoreboard.

THE ONLY PERSON TO BLAME FOR THIS DISGUSTING LOSS WAS ARSENE WENGER . WE WON LAST TIME AROUND WITH ONE OF THE BEST CENTRAL DEFENDERS IN THE WORLD ON THEIR SIDE AND ABIDAL IS A GOOD DEFENDER WHEN SHIFTED TO CB. BUT WE ATTACKED BARCA AND WON.AND THIS TIME AROUND HE OPTED TO DEFEND WHICH ARSENAL ARE NOT USED TO AND AGAINST A MIDFIELDER TURNED CB AND A LB SHIFTED TO CB. IT WAS ABSOLUTELY NONSENSE AND UNACCEPTABLE.IF WE ATTACKED BARCA FROM THE START THERE HAD TO BE A FEW GOALS FOR SURE. YEAH WALCOTT WASNT AVAILABLE, RVP AND FABREGAS(JUDAS) WERE UNFIT. SO WHAT??????WE HAD ENOUGH PLAYERS TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN TO THAT LEAKY DEFENCE. I WOULD HAVE CHOSEN EBOUE ON THE RIGHT THAN ROSICKY. HE HAD MORE PACE AND STRENGTH TECHNICALLY FINE AND IS A GOOD DEFENDER.IT DOESNT TAKE A GENIUS TO UNDERSTAND SUCH A SIMPLE THINGS.IF U INTEND TO DEFEND AGAINST BARCA ITS SUICIDE COMPARED TO ATTACKING BARCA.

THIS CONSTANT OBSESSION OF ARSENE TOWARDS BARCA COST US THIS MESS.HIS CONSTANT EXPRESSING TO THE MEDIA ABOUT BARCELONA HURTS VERY MUCH TO ME.IF U ******* ADMIRE BARCA SO MUCH KEEP IT TO YOURSELF AND Carlos OFF IN SECRET.HAD WE WON THE GROUP THIS COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.BUT I DONT UNDERESTIMATE SHAKHTAR THEY PLAY BEAUTIFUL FOOTBALL AND HAVE IMMENSE QUALITY.

I PLEAD TO VAN PERSIE AND NASRI,SAGNA AND OTHER PLAYERS WHO GAVE IT ALL FOR ARSENAL EVEN FABREGAS(he is already there where he wanted to be) to go to a team where u can set ur standards and be better players with medals unless arsene does something significant not just significant but a few huge steps.

I hope this doesnt turn out to be true but if we win against manu in the fa cup im sure we will reach the final of the fa cup against lets say s****hrope or something like that and a match against a team with lesser quality which would win us the league arsene wenger will do something magical to the team and lose. then at the end of the season the only silver we will have is the spoons and knives and forks in the canteen.

Sevillista · Mar 10, 2011

Help?;2998046 said:
Teams that dominate all game DON'T necessarily progress. Have a good day, I'm done arguing with you.

That was a far different scenario. This time around Barcelona completely dominated AND had the lead, unless you think RvP somehow would have prevented Barcelona's last two goals.

poet11;2998051 said:
Listen bro i do agree with everything that barcelona are the strongest team in europe but they can be beaten and trust me on this one Arsenal were the only team that had the capability to beat barcelona even at the Nou Camp and the red card had a huge part and u know it was nonsense and a meaningless call and also barca should have had a penalty.there were other decisions also Abidal should have been sent off for grabbing Robins throat and Koscienly for the penalty shouldnt have been on the pitch. Your name user name shows u support Sevilla and if ur team gains the advantage from an own goal at the CL stage would u complain???i highly doubt that.

then how come arsenal won at the emirates???there were lucky decisions on our side. messi was onside wrong call from the lines man and arshavin had a hand ball inside the penalty box which wasnt seen and yes it wasnt deliberate so thats not a big deal.i love beautiful football but results matter to me more than how many passes u put together.if u pass the ball within your back four and gk for five to six minutes that statistic of passes completed will be more.i dont care about that ****. the only stat matters is the ******* scoreboard.

THE ONLY PERSON TO BLAME FOR THIS DISGUSTING LOSS WAS ARSENE WENGER . WE WON LAST TIME AROUND WITH ONE OF THE BEST CENTRAL DEFENDERS IN THE WORLD ON THEIR SIDE AND ABIDAL IS A GOOD DEFENDER WHEN SHIFTED TO CB. BUT WE ATTACKED BARCA AND WON.AND THIS TIME AROUND HE OPTED TO DEFEND WHICH ARSENAL ARE NOT USED TO AND AGAINST A MIDFIELDER TURNED CB AND A LB SHIFTED TO CB. IT WAS ABSOLUTELY NONSENSE AND UNACCEPTABLE.IF WE ATTACKED BARCA FROM THE START THERE HAD TO BE A FEW GOALS FOR SURE. YEAH WALCOTT WASNT AVAILABLE, RVP AND FABREGAS(JUDAS) WERE UNFIT. SO WHAT??????WE HAD ENOUGH PLAYERS TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN TO THAT LEAKY DEFENCE. I WOULD HAVE CHOSEN EBOUE ON THE RIGHT THAN ROSICKY. HE HAD MORE PACE AND STRENGTH TECHNICALLY FINE AND IS A GOOD DEFENDER.IT DOESNT TAKE A GENIUS TO UNDERSTAND SUCH A SIMPLE THINGS.IF U INTEND TO DEFEND AGAINST BARCA ITS SUICIDE COMPARED TO ATTACKING BARCA.

THIS CONSTANT OBSESSION OF ARSENE TOWARDS BARCA COST US THIS MESS.HIS CONSTANT EXPRESSING TO THE MEDIA ABOUT BARCELONA HURTS VERY MUCH TO ME.IF U ******* ADMIRE BARCA SO MUCH KEEP IT TO YOURSELF AND Carlos OFF IN SECRET.HAD WE WON THE GROUP THIS COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.BUT I DONT UNDERESTIMATE SHAKHTAR THEY PLAY BEAUTIFUL FOOTBALL AND HAVE IMMENSE QUALITY.

I PLEAD TO VAN PERSIE AND NASRI,SAGNA AND OTHER PLAYERS WHO GAVE IT ALL FOR ARSENAL EVEN FABREGAS(he is already there where he wanted to be) to go to a team where u can set ur standards and be better players with medals unless arsene does something significant not just significant but a few huge steps.

I hope this doesnt turn out to be true but if we win against manu in the fa cup im sure we will reach the final of the fa cup against lets say s****hrope or something like that and a match against a team with lesser quality which would win us the league arsene wenger will do something magical to the team and lose. then at the end of the season the only silver we will have is the spoons and knives and forks in the canteen.

If you're going to write so poorly, at least make your posts short. When I see you've written more than 5 lines I don't bother to read it at all, it's too much work.

ARIAGA II · Mar 10, 2011

poet some of your complaints are straight up whining, ugh.

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