ShiftyPowers said:
Oh Manchester United fans. Ngyc and Help, my "beloved Liverpool"? I couldn't give two ****s about Liverpool. They could be relegated tomorrow and I wouldn't care at all. I don't even hate your club, I love Rooney and C.Ronaldo, big fan of Alan Smith, like Saha decently, but I hate arrogant United fans.
untouchable, your logic is horrendous. You prove that you are better than Liverpool using two arguments: 1) That you have fared better against Chelsea and 2) You have so many great players, and then you give me a laundry list. I also heard an argument that one team winning the Champions League and another team winning the Carling Cup doesn't mean that one is better than another.
1) It doesn't matter how you and Liverpool have stacked up against Chelsea. If you want to play the game of "We beat Team A and Team A beat them, therefore we're better than them" then we'll play, but unfortunately it's going to end up with you being worse than some 9th division Maltese club. It's completely illogical.
2) Yeah, you have some awesome players. I'm not disputing that at all. And all those players have won.... what exactly? If you want to hang your hat on the Carling Cup that's fine, but 7 years ago your reserves would win the Cup and you may as well have melted it down for all anyone cared. It's worthless. You finish a few points ahead of a team in the league, but crash out of the Champions League, a competition they win after beating AC Milan in the final and all of sudden you're better because you have Rooney and C.Ronaldo? Come again? Liverpool can play that game too. They have Gerrard and Xabi Alonso. I'll start my team with those two and you can start your team with any two United players and you KNOW my team will be better. The actual results just hammer that home. The Champions League doesn't mean anything? Well then I'll chalk 1999 up to luck. The Champions League is just about luck so therefore you won't mind saying that your 1999 team was lucky instead of good right? No you won't. Even though they were way more lucky that good, but you will not admit that, or if by some chance you do, you won't actually believe it, you'll just concede the point superficially to win a bigger point about you being better than Liverpool. But you aren't.
If you want to continue with the name calling and the attacks on me personally, hey, by all means go ahead, but it won't change the truth. You are no longer better than Liverpool. And then you go ahead and slam Chelsea!?!? Saying something like "They can't even beat Fulham" well that team that can't even beat Fulham is bending you over and giving it to you up the ass in the League. And the attacks against Chelsea just show how mad you really are that your team is no longer the best in England. You aren't. Deal with it.
Don't generalize us or me at least with the rest of the fans, i never said anything like Chelsea can't even beat Fulham, maybe somebody else that wants to make our position seem better said it, but not me. When you said that United are no better than a 3rd team in England, it's kind of hard not to wonder why. If you look at the table we ARE 2nd in the league, 2 points ahead of Liverpool with 2 games in hand. So that's potential 8 points ahead of them. Our attack is FAR superior to theirs. We scored exactly the same amount of goals as Chelsea scored this season and our goal difference is much better than Liverpool's right now.
You are talking about us comparing team from results, i got to correct you there. We are saying that United is 2nd best right now, based on our position and a third of the season in the league, not based on the draw and a win over Liverpool that we got this season.
Then you say that Liverpool is better than us because they won CL last year and we just won Carling Cup this year. A team is only as good as they are today, that's a saying which means that you shouldn't look at past results to compare teams. If you want too, then United won 4 EPL titles in last 7 season, while Liverpool won 0. Yeah we won the CC and we are happy, what do you want us to do, go whine that we won it? At least it's something, Liverpool are likely to win nothing this season at all.
And what does it matter that our players didn't win that many medals? Did Liverpool players win a **** loads of them?
Sorry for all the name calling on my part, usually i almost never do it, but you just don't have any arguments to say that Liverpool is better than us. Your only real argument is that they won CL last season and we didn't. There are just too many things that were different last season with both clubs. If you want to compare the teams over their whole history, then yeah Liverpool is the best in England, but United come second right after them. If you want to compare them this season, then there is no better source for that decision than a league table and last time i checked we sitting pretty comfortably in second.
BTW i was almost convinced that you were a Liverpool fan, because you said that we are fading, which is what Harry Kewell said about United when he moved to Liverpool, United won the EPL next season. I apologize for that, but like i said, it's hard to understand why we are fading, when we are doing better than we did during the season where we won the EPL. Chelsea is just far too superior and that's what makes it look like we are fading. Don't get me wrong, Liverpool improved a lot over the last 2 years, but judging by the league positions and results this and last season, it's just nonsense to say that Liverpool is better.
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. They've got so many playmakers and create tons of chances on goal but they just can't put them away...
