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Old 31-03-2017, 10:09:AM   #1
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So the unelected May triggered Article 50 of the Treaty of European Union on Wednesday, Farage jizzed into his pint - as is tradition - and the EU-27 have their battle plan laid out: phased negotiations where only the EU Council determines how progress has been made. This deserves its' own thread.
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The UK is challenging the US for the international cup of stupidity. Electing Trump was a strong move. I predict it will take a few years for the winner to become clear.
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Whilst obviously Brexit is hugely negative and costly to me personally, i am starting to come round to the opinion that it may actually be the right thing for the country in the longrun. I have long despised the procedures and attitudes of the EU institutions, but for a long while i thought it was still better to be in than out, and that as we become relatively more powerful compared with France and Germany, we might have been able to change things from the inside. i was devastated when brexit happend, it has already cost me directly thousands of pounds and will cost me thousands more, plus countless restricted opportunities. However, the appallingly negative and uncooperative attitdue of the eu, their desire to cut off their nose to spite their face and their generally acting like a totalitarian cabal, deliberately making this confrontational, has led me to believe that actually it can be only be good that we are breaking away from these awful people. It's like leaving Scientology.

May is a good leader. Criticising her for being unelected shows a lack of understanding of the british parliamentary system. I don't like her refusal to compromise, but i do believe she has a well thought through plan and i admire her for keeping her cards close to her chest and resisting the temptation to play to the press. i HATE the freedom of movement red line, but that's not just her.
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May must have been elected or she wouldn't hold a seat in parliament in order to become PM, right?
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May must have been elected or she wouldn't hold a seat in parliament in order to become PM, right?
She's been an MP for Maidenhead since 1997. But she became leader after Cameron resigned following the referendum result. She triggered Article 50, then a month later calls a general election after stating that none would take place before 2020.
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She's been an MP for Maidenhead since 1997. But she became leader after Cameron resigned following the referendum result. She triggered Article 50, then a month later calls a general election after stating that none would take place before 2020.
Nonetheless, she is the duly elected leader of her party that makes her PM, right?

Not that I agree with or like what she does, but to call her "unelected" is simply untrue.
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Nonetheless, she is the duly elected leader of her party that makes her PM, right?

Not that I agree with or like what she does, but to call her "unelected" is simply untrue.
I wasn't questioning the fact that she's an elected member of parliament.
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hahahahaha Robbie is criticising her for being 'unelected' and now is criticising her for calling an election.... someone is a bit biased maybe?

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hahahahaha Robbie is criticising her for being 'unelected' and now is criticising her for calling an election.... someone is a bit biased maybe?

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Well no, I'm criticizing her for her back tracking. I meant, in that first post, that she wasn't elected to the position of PM in an election, on a platform of what Brexit is meant to look like. Cameron was elected, on the promise of both the referendum and the "renegotiation"; both of those were simply major cock-ups; then he jumped ship, as well as all the other Leave big-wigs. Gove, Johnson, all the big Leave faces with no bollocks to see it through as PM?

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a) as Jack and I explained to you, the british parliamentary system involves electing a party and not an individual, whether the party then changes leader is largely irrelevant in terms of legitimacy. As Jack explained, the only people who put a cross by the name 'David Cameron' in 2015 are the citizens of his constituency, electing him as their MP, just as the citizens in May's constituency did for her.
b) like her or not, it is clever politics on May's behalf (and also amazing that she managed to keep it such a surprise in this era of leaks). As I already said, in Britain we vote for a party, not an individual, and we give that party a mandate based on their manifesto. May must have felt that because of the debates over brexit, it was not longer tenable to govern under the old mandate and is seeking a new one FOR THE PARTY. it's amusing that like many supposed feminist men Robbie can't stand it when a woman actually gains power and has to question her legitimacy.
c) I think it was reasonable for Cameron to step down - how could he lead the negotiations for a brexit he so heavily opposed? The fact that Europe couldn't concede just the little bit more in those renegotiations you mention when it would have made all the difference is further evidence that they are complicit in the brexit decision.
d) your last point about leavers "bottling" it shows as much ignorance as the rest of your statements. what they are guilty of is ruthlessness, not cowardice. A tiny bit of research would show you that Gove DID stand for the leadership (alongside another brexiteer Leadsom) and they lost, and all evidence shows Johnson bitterly wanted to stand but stood aside so as not to divide the 'out' tory vote. the only problem was that gove was the less popular man and, but his egotism and selfishness clouded his judgement.

Robbie is what happens when someone informs himself and tskes his opinions solely via links which pop up on his europhile Facebook news feed.

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