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Old 22-04-2013, 04:38:PM   #40
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I'll buy PES the day they finally put out a game that isn't completely broken out of the box. Default FIFA is pretty bad but at least it's playable, unlike PES.
We can talk about PES flaws a lot, but PES 2013 in terms of gameplay improvements is in front of FIFA 13 big time, and I mean by default gameplay, no tweaks or mods. I dont care if PES dont have licensed Leagues, Teams etc., cause from gameplay aspect PES 2013 > FIFA 13. I hope PES will continue to make significant changes cause that might push EA to improve their game also, if they even care about improving the gameplay, not the budget. Dont get me wrong here, I'm no fanboy of either of these games. I speak from neutral position.
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Old 22-04-2013, 06:35:PM   #41
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We can talk about PES flaws a lot, but PES 2013 in terms of gameplay improvements is in front of FIFA 13 big time... Dont get me wrong here, I'm no fanboy of either of these games. I speak from neutral position.
Look, I would prefer playing a quality PES game to FIFA. PES was a real football sim years ago while FIFA has never been one. That said, I really don't understand what you mean by improvements to PES. The game is flat out broken out of the box, it's a mess. It's been unplayable for years.
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Old 22-04-2013, 06:48:PM   #42
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Look, I would prefer playing a quality PES game to FIFA. PES was a real football sim years ago while FIFA has never been one. That said, I really don't understand what you mean by improvements to PES. The game is flat out broken out of the box, it's a mess. It's been unplayable for years.
I would not said its unplayable, but gameplay improvements from PES 2012 and 2013 are very visible, too bad they messed up already very old style and the same Master League. As said, we can talk a lot of PES gameplay flaws (AI cheating, mainly), but imo its better then FIFA's... From defending, positioning, player individuality to teams playing style etc. Have you played PES 2013, and I don't mean 20 games before you made conclusion it's unplayable?
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Old 22-04-2013, 07:34:PM   #43
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I'm confused. What do my game settings and feelings about FIFA's default gameplay have to do with discussions about how many PC units are sold each year?
Sorry, I was pointing out (explaining) to AmfdCrossB, about your feelings for Fifa`s GP, so ... (not that he can`t read) you seem very upset about pc sales (did they fire you from Marketing and Sales). Nothing to do with what he ( AmfdCrossB ) said.


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I do play on manual, and I expect sports video games to realistically simulate the actual sport.
Not possible, at least for now, else EA would have moved to Robotics with their A.I. (lot of money in that.) I think we are idolizing EA too much, they make mistakes like us, Fifa 12 was a big boost for us, 13 and now 14 lacks that. If you look around this forum itself, you`ll find a lot of us are into faces, boots, tats etc., (very few purist who are into GP`s) so, EA has to come up with a brand new engine to appeal us,(hopefully a better GP too) yes it won`t be perfect, but the modding community is there for a reason.

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They've stopped making PC versions of their hockey and football games, so who knows if we'll still have a PC version of FIFA in a year or two.
Don`t say that you`re making me twitch. Anyways Hockey and American Football is a totally different market, they won`t give it to Konami on a plate after 12/13 and 14. We all rooted for EA when we bought the game, so the least we could do is give them some time, pray and hope for the best.

Your input on GP`s are highly regarded by your peers, (AP, RC and the rest of the gang, including myself) so I hope you`ll stay optimistic about 14 and beyond.

P.S. don`t go turbo with PES.
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Old 22-04-2013, 07:34:PM   #44
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Have you played PES 2013, and I don't mean 20 games before you made conclusion it's unplayable?
I played the demo for two weeks. The CPU would either charge straight up the pitch or lob the ball ahead to the FW, that was the strategy for every team. The GK programming and AI was horrific as usual. And the ball/shooting physics were all wrong: the ball felt like a balloon, and every player could get off quality shots regardless of his body positioning. Some (not all) of that can be fixed with mods and edits. But it's almost the principle of thing at this point. If Konami insists on putting put a game that plays that poorly out of the box, year after year, then I'm just not going to support them. How can they get so much, so wrong? It's like they don't even bother testing their games to see how they actually play.
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Old 22-04-2013, 07:48:PM   #45
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Your input on GP`s are highly regarded by your peers, (AP, RC and the rest of the gang, including myself) so I hope you`ll stay optimistic about 14 and beyond.
Thanks, I appreciate that. I'm happy with FIFA, I play it more than I play Left4Dead! Seriously, with all the available gp mods and after some editing, I'm having more fun with the game than I've had with any sports game.
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Old 29-04-2013, 09:43:AM   #46
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I don't care that much about graphics, although an improvement would always be nice. I'm just caring about gameplay and different oline modes. I want the same ones the consoles have. I simply want to play virtual Bundesliga.
But I don't see this coming and buying a PS3 oder xbox720 just for FIFA...I don't know..
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I want the same ones the consoles have. I simply want to play virtual Bundesliga. But I don't see this coming and buying a PS3 oder xbox720 just for FIFA...I don't know..
Why would you do that? This year's console/PC versions are going to be the same as last year's. EA isn't going next-gen until FIFA 15.
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Old 29-04-2013, 12:54:PM   #48
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I want much different news in fifa 14.well last year I like it but I want very big things on the new fifa
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Old 29-04-2013, 04:38:PM   #49
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I doubt FIFA 14 will have BIG changes in terms of both gameplay or graphics.
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I think it will not change much in terms of graphics.unfortunately
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... and they (EA) are maybe not planning to acquire big licenses (turkish, argentinian, etc), so in the meantime this game is just FIFA 13.5.
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I just think it will be more about adding more faces adding leagues, updating stats, adding the features mentioned, switching menus around, adding career features mentioned (not so much said so far apart from youth scouting) .. with some updated graphically here and there .. usual things every year. I dont think it will jump much graphically only until next year onwards.

On a side note i saw the videos for what PES is doing with new engine and as much as clothing physics looked nice most of it you cant appreciate unless its a cut scene, also I thought the models and clothing looked like the players were in space suits or wind tunnels and the models and hands were very rounded and manikin looking .. wasn't overly impressed with that "next gen" look.
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