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You shouldn't have to pay to buy a new pad for FIFA and Direct Input

AcidAgent

Club Supporter
There seems to be some sort of deal going on with Logitech and EA Sports Ca.

Games like MVP Baseball, NBA and NHL manage perfectly fine with other dual joystick gamepads.

1. Football is big market in Europe. EA FIFA is now established and so sells extremely well every year.
2. If EA and Logitech go into a deal together for the fifa games they can virtually exclude the rest of the controllers market and make a lot of money.
3. To Play Fifa on the PC, you really do need a Logitech pad. Logitech pay a fee to EA to "advertise" their pad.
4. EA "advertise" Logitech gamepads basically through dirty tactics. EA and Logitech collaborate to write a piece of code in FIFA that doesn't affect any of Logitech's products.
5.This piece of code when used with other gamepads restricts or make the pads "do funny things" (ie, constant rumbling, pausing the game every five seconds)
6. *Dirty Tactic* Customers unknowing of this code play the game think, my pad is rubbish, surely that Logitech pad won't mess up, there's even a picture of it in the game!!!!
7. This leads to the customer going out to the shop and buying Logitech. Plugs it in to play Fifa, works perfectly and then spreads the word about how "reliable" Logitech pads are.

8. I expect to see this sort of behaviour every year with EA, this is because it both makes them more money. Logitech pay money to advertise, Players who use gamepads are restricted to use Logitech. This in turn bumps Logitech's profits up cos people want to play fifa on a gamepad. So the next year Logitech pay more money for exclusive controller rights to EA and so on. All in one lovely money-munching circle.

9. EA wouldn't do it a special deal with Nvidia would they?

Have EA not heard of Direct Input? Just wondered. Cos it seems to be an important part to the modern games industry on PCs. Infact i think every new released game apart from FIFA uses it. What's the deal EA?

Having quite a bit of Direct Input knowledge i know it isn't that hard to cater for all sorts of game controllers and to remap the buttons and axes to the way YOU want.

FIFA is the only game ever i know to use this "supported" controller system. Even in other EA games you can use ANY controller and configure it the way YOU want. It's just seems odd that they've chose FIFA (which makes them a lot of money) to test this "supported" controller business. EA FIFA seem to make it as difficult as possible to use other types of game controllers, when they know how simple it is. Just look at the PES 3 demo, it's really simple to set up with ANY controller. Look at MVP Baseball, an EA game, look how easy it is to set up ANY controller. EA FIFA are having a laugh and making the profit with Logitech

EA please explain why Logitech is the right choice for the market, apart from Logitech paying you money? and explain why this only happens in the FIFA series.

I hope you have enjoyed reading this. I'm going to investigate more about whether something like this is illegal. Trust me, I really won't stop until i am able to play FIFA with full functionality with my non-Logitech gamepads. Come on, it's not that difficult, you can still sell Logitech pads without sabotaging other pads, product placement is enough.
 

Goxy

Club Supporter
Cool report men. If I were you I would send it to EA customer Support. Me to man I'll never change my dear Thrustmaster to help someone to earn some money as Logitech. I've already pay 200 euros for heir Elite keyboard and MX700 mouse. They don't have chance. Other thing: Fifa for PC sucks. It loks better on Xbox and PS2. Fifa sucks generally, this stuff about controller gave them more minus points. PES3 will kick their asses. And I'm gled for that. Unfinished game,, unfinished patch, what is next...wrong roster patch.

Cool report man, just continue to research and send this to EA i would like to hea their answer, but I think you won't get it, but you should try.


Greetings form Belgrade, Serbia
 

AcidAgent

Club Supporter
Thanks for your support Goxy, it's appreciated. We need more people to vote on this. EA are really shooting themselves in the foot everytime they do this.

Come on people, don't waste your votes. Use them to YOUR advantage. If we get enough votes perhaps EA will finally start to get their act together.
 

SR20DET

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**** em both, my PS2 controller works perfect with this game and everyother game.
 

machiavellian04

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Well, I can understand why people are annoyed, but I think the Logitech Dual Action gampad is the best around (for the PC). If it was a poor 'pad, then I would be angry at EA Sports.

I'm glad they 'forced' me to buy it!
I also own a Thrustmaster Firestorm Dual 3 'pad.
 

AcidAgent

Club Supporter
Originally posted by SR20DET
**** em both, my PS2 controller works perfect with this game and everyother game.

Did you remap your buttons in the game. If so i'd like to see a screenshot. In fact did you even remap the buttons? If you didn't then are you happy you have to press select to do the special moves.
 

AcidAgent

Club Supporter
Originally posted by machiavellian04
Well, I can understand why people are annoyed, but I think the Logitech Dual Action gampad is the best around (for the PC). If it was a poor 'pad, then I would be angry at EA Sports.

I'm not arguing the fact that Logitech produce crap products. I have the Logitech Wireless Desktop combo.

All I'm saying is that people should be given the CHOICE and the ability to set up the controls the way they want. I first started playing FIFA on a PS2 and i liked the controls. You could say why don't i just buy a PS2 then. The answer: PC's are there to be tweaked the way YOU want them. EA seem to forget that PC's have this ability.
 

shokz

The Red Devil
Thing is, WHY should we be forced to buy a new gamepad just to use the analog stick moves, its wrong.

I am under the impression this is a marketing tactic, I wonder how much Logitech are paying Electronic Arts.

I have a good clue why EA released this so called "1.1" patch that does not even let you configure your pad.

Yes - They are trying to control the controllers market for financial benefit both sides
 

AcidAgent

Club Supporter
I know i'm going on and on but here's an example of how EA's MVP Baseball saves the controller configuration.

device= 2_Player_EMS-USB_Adapter
player= 1
number_of_buttons= 16
number_of_povs= 0
number_of_axis= 4
PITCHING_DIR_UP= axis+ 2
PITCHING_DIR_DOWN= axis- 2
PITCHING_DIR_LEFT= axis+ 1
PITCHING_DIR_RIGHT= axis- 1
PITCHING_BALL= button 6
PITCHING_1= button 3
PITCHING_2= button 2
PITCHING_3= button 4
PITCHING_4= button 1
PITCHING_5= button 7
PITCHING_PICK_OFF= button 8
PITCHING_FIRST= axis- 3
PITCHING_SECOND= axis+ 3
PITCHING_THIRD= axis+ 3
PITCHING_HOME= axis- 4
PITCHING_DEFENSIVE_ALIGNMENT= button 10
FIELDING_DIR_UP= axis+ 2
FIELDING_DIR_DOWN= axis- 2
FIELDING_DIR_LEFT= axis+ 1
FIELDING_DIR_RIGHT= axis- 1
FIELDING_FIRST= button 2
FIELDING_SECOND= button 1
FIELDING_THIRD= button 4
FIELDING_HOME= button 3
FIELDING_SWITCH= button 5
FIELDING_CUTOFF= button 6
BATTING_DIR_UP= axis+ 2
BATTING_DIR_DOWN= axis- 2
BATTING_DIR_LEFT= axis+ 1
BATTING_DIR_RIGHT= axis- 1
BATTING_SWING= button 3
BATTING_BUNT= button 4
RUNNING_SOURCE_FIRST= button 14
RUNNING_SOURCE_SECOND= button 13
RUNNING_SOURCE_THIRD= button 16
RUNNING_DEST_FIRST= axis- 3
RUNNING_DEST_SECOND= axis+ 4
RUNNING_DEST_THIRD= axis+ 3
RUNNING_DEST_HOME= axis- 4
RUNNING_SLIDE_HEADFIRST= button 8
RUNNING_SLIDE_FEETFIRST= button 7
RUNNING_CALL_STEAL= button 6
RUNNING_CANCEL_STEAL= button 5
RUNNING_LEAD_OFF= button 11
RUNNING_GO_BACK= button 12

All this is configured inside the game and saved as controller.cfg in My Documents\MVP Baseball 2003 folder.

I can only smell fish with FIFA
 

SR20DET

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Originally posted by AcidAgent
Did you remap your buttons in the game. If so i'd like to see a screenshot. In fact did you even remap the buttons? If you didn't then are you happy you have to press select to do the special moves.

Yep, I remapped everything, and it works the way I WANT IT!
It USED to be "select" for special moves, but now its --->

L2 = special moves
R2 = walk
L1 = OTB
R1 = sprint

both analogs for movements
/\ = lob
o = pass
x = shoot
_ = thru pass

:) :rockman:
 

SR20DET

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Originally posted by machiavellian04
but I think the Logitech Dual Action gampad is the best around (for the PC).

You couldnt be anymore wrong, PS2 controller is THE best.
 

AcidAgent

Club Supporter
Originally posted by SR20DET
Yep, I remapped everything, and it works the way I WANT IT!
It USED to be "select" for special moves, but now its --->

Did you map it in the game tho? Or did you have to rename your gamepad in the registry and then edit config.dat. What does the name of the gamepad come up in the game as?
 

SR20DET

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I remapped it in the config, so what, took me 1 minute.
 

AcidAgent

Club Supporter
Originally posted by SR20DET
I remapped it in the config, so what, took me 1 minute.

In the config.dat or the config in the game. If in the game please send a screenshot, i'm not out to prove you wrong i would just like to see. I know that you can take screenshots because i've seen that you've posted in the screenshot thread

If it took you 1 minute to edit the config.dat, well done, but how long did it take to research how to do it. People shouldn't have to do this tho. Not everyone is all wired up to edit text files they should haven't to.
 

SR20DET

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Yea they shouldnt, but I didnt mind, took me few minutes to search the forums and find the answer, and now the game works perfectly with my PS2 controller.
 

AcidAgent

Club Supporter
Which adapter are you using? I'm using the 2-Player EMS, i think it's pretty cool especially when playing GTA Vice City.

I'm thinking about getting an X-Box adapter but i'm not sure what the pads are like.
 

SR20DET

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I dunno which adapter it is, I cost me $3.99 + tax ... but it works fantastic with every game I tried it with, it has 4 controller inputs for 4 controllers.
And now, it works fantastic with Fifa 2004 :) (stupid EA).
 

theedor

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acidagent is right and his report should require an answer form EA I think. do you remember the skill moves in fifa 98? either ctrl and alt button with Q - W - E - A - S and D makes different moves (not all of them but I can remember 9 or 10 special moves). so if they're improving and they are claiming that there's no combination left for special moves, they've got to look back they've got the solution there. producing a game for pc, selling millions of copies and then telling that "we've made up this game work perfectly with a dualstick and we're sorry if you want to play this game with full aspects then you should buy a gamepad with a dualstick" should be a bad joke by EA. also, this may sound crazy but I remember fifa96's gameplay was undebateably better than 2002 and 2004. (leaving WC98 and WC2002 aside they were a bit better, I think we should wait for the world cup to play a good soccer game from EA). Fifa series are getting worse and worse each year (I think that's because the developers all americans, they all care about graphics, they should hire a european staff for gameplay!) and it's not only my opinion I'm roaming around the forum and every 8 of 10 is claiming that fifa series are getting worse.

nevertheless, despite not playing PES3 or even not seeing it, I'm really looking forward to this game. WE7 also looks conspicuous but PES3 will kick EA's "thing" that should be kicked. and that's what it has to be.
 

SR20DET

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PES 3 demo is avalible on the net, both games got their highs and lows.
 


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