Wouldnt this be a great FM addition..

[Áļéאָ]

They do get a fixed potential when the game is started.

and im talking about something that happens while you play the game, not when u start it

 

[Tom]

yeah Ruud's talking about EHM. Maybe this potential ability change thing would be more apparant in youngsters, i mean if you put any kind of youngster in the first team they will naturally want to do it again, and it will naturally improve them straight away.

TROD.

 

[Kibe Kru]

I don't know... I'm guessing potential is what the player can achieve IF his ambition is at the top and getting all the best coaches to get the best out of him... Alex believes potential could change, and I understand his point, but I'm with Stotty when he says only current should change (like he said in his convo with Tom)...
Diouf, which was a player mentioned, would get a boost in his current ability after 2002 WC, but then would slowly get back to normal... maybe a boost in current ability would surpass his potential? I don't know if that's possible in the game, but it'd be nice to have some overvalued people in there...

 

[Tom]

so this is all winding down into two camps;

1. People like me who believe that potential of a player COULD possibly change depending on what happens during their footballing life.

2. People who think changes in the footballing life will effect the current ability of a player and that the potential can never change.

Agreed?

TROD.

 

[Daz]

agreed. i'm with number 1.

 

[Kibe Kru]

Yeah I agree with Tom... I'm with #2...
If it was down to me, it'd be like this:

Potential would be fairly high for most players, yet fulfilling that potential would be down to players, like working with the best coaches, having a high ambition and not getting injured often... so instead of every potential 195 becoming superstars, we'd have some potential 195 who would never get current over 50 if they spend too much time in the bench with non league teams, or some really good players if they manage to be "discovered" and worked on by some good coaches

 

[rpvankasteren]

Put like that, I'd be in the number 2 camp.

I think they should split ability up into 3 groups:
-physical potential
-mental potential
-technical potential

And current ability for those groups should be dependant on different factors:
physical: assignment of physios , severity of the training schedule they follow, matches played per month
mental: treatment by staff/team mates/media/opposing players and the tactical part of the training schedule
technical: quality of the coaching staff and the technical part of the training schedule

 

[Tom]

you can always bet on Ruud to come up with a fantastically different idea care to explain a bit more?

TROD.

 

[rpvankasteren]

I was hoping to get some feedback from you guys, to see if this split-of-a-second brainwave of mine was any good...

The player's current ability would be less dependant on time to improve, and more on influences from his environment.
Of course the training would still be improving/deteriorating the variable stats, but the way of training would be affecting the current ability.

You could for example have great technical and physical players with serious mental problems (Deisler/Hoogstrate), and get them to improve their game by giving them moral support/tactical lessons.

This would obviously mean rescouting the whole population of players and staff, and having again an unbalanced database for several years. Just when I was thinking what good job SI and their scouts had done to balance the current one.

 

[Tom]

but surely mental things effect the current ability as it stands now anyway, i mean the mental stats are always taken into account as to how much someone improves, why have a new stat?

TROD.

 

[gian]

yes i think u are right. And the stats should be more accurate. I mean Pao bought biscan,flavio players who would hardly come at FM. You can't buy some players like for example Karagounis becasue their value is more than 6m (in real life that's not true), SO THEIr must be some talents that are cheap and can play in all teams. (there are some but just few)

 

[rpvankasteren]

but surely mental things effect the current ability as it stands now anyway, i mean the mental stats are always taken into account as to how much someone improves, why have a new stat?

TROD.

I just think it might be an improvement over the current use of 'experience'. I wasn't making mental stats more important btw, just wanted to point out a different way of improving stats. They could still be interrelated.

 

[Áļéאָ]

yes i think u are right. And the stats should be more accurate. I mean Pao bought biscan,flavio players who would hardly come at FM. You can't buy some players like for example Karagounis becasue their value is more than 6m (in real life that's not true), SO THEIr must be some talents that are cheap and can play in all teams. (there are some but just few)

conceisao (or howeva its spelled) is a good player(hes does have 40+ caps with brazil..), but his career has gonne downhll. + he's 31. Biscan. Comeon, the guy is hardly average. I guess he probably seems good to PAO fans since the owners always try to get away with cheap transfers of always average players(at least biscans name is a name ppl have heard b4). Greek teams are underrated, but the greek league is utter...crap. Dont get me wrong on this, i support Pana, im just a lot more realist than 99% of the fans in greece.

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