UEFA Champions League 2009-2010

MaestroZidane

YELLOW CARD: Untrustworthy
bybuti;2860004 said:
Lol Mr. MaestroZidane, quote this as well:

Real Madrid 0:2 FC Barcelona
FC Barcelona 1:0 Real Madrid
Real Madrid 2:6 FC Barcelona
FC Barcelona 2:0 Real Madrid

(H)

I said, while you can't celebrate your success, you celebrate others' failure. That's how losers are! :D

For example, look, whole Marca's web site is pics of Eto'o and Mourinho. (H)

I actually have those to show your arrogance... you know, like the kind people complain about when Ronaldo does it

and Regarding Marca's site.. you probably didn't see it when You beat arsenal as well did you??
 

Xifio

The Von Trapps
bybuti;2859963 said:
hahhaha

Look, isn't he still a kid? A +40 years guy
learn to differentiate between mind games and tantrums ... his words are meant to distract their target from what that person ought to be doing, and to put the attention on himself and away from the rest of his team ... it is a methodology, embodied by a persona he adapts for the purpose ... similarly, his conferences are as such for identical reasons ...


bybuti;2859963 said:
guy who translated for Guardiola to Van Gaal and Bobby Robson.
sorry man, but that was a pathetic jab at trying to make José look like some poor guy who had to serve Guardiola ... you need to think and analyze the situation before making comments that make you look worse off ... a "translator" job needs very little work outside of the actual work, and so he could spend his time learning the various aspects of the management game from some of the world's best and most successful managers at one of the world's biggest clubs ... he was the translator, which means he had to be there for every word that the managers uttered to the players, and for every word that the players uttered back to the managers ... I mean even if you try, you can't get that sort of insight and exposure ... it was a sensationally ingenious way for Mourinho to have developed tactical knowledge, hands-on experience, contacts/relationships, and psychological insight at the highest level of the game ...

he set himself apart even at that age, with unorthodox but very savvy methods ... that's one (there are several others, and I will be more than willing to share them if required) of the reasons why he was and still is the Special One ...
 

Pogba4Now

Team Captain
Dytza;2859931 said:
You guys speak about Inter's quality like it was a team like Stuttgart who elminated Barça.

C'mon! 3 players in first Brazil line-up (Julio Cesar, Lucio, Maicon -btw, I'd still pick Alves in my team above Maicon-) 3-4 first team Argentina players (Zanetti, Cambiasso, Diego Milito + Samuel). Then they have Sneijder, Eto'o (:(), Thiago Motta (still a ****) and Cristi Chivu (Romanian NT captain). I think Inter is one of the teams who can compare to Barça as squad quality if you take player by player.

Ok, I admit Inter have some quality players. But I'm of the opinion that Barca is in another league in terms of quality. Just my opinion. They have the BEST XI players in the world in many positions.

Puyol/Alves are arguably the best in their respective positions in defence, Xavi/Iniesta in midfield and Messi as forward. I have never seen a club football team with so much quality for a long time... 5 players who are easily best in the world in their positions. As for Inter, most credits to them for the 1st leg. But they did well to preserve their lead in the second leg. Not as impressive as the first leg though.

bybuti;2859963 said:
hahhaha

Look, isn't he still a kid? A +40 years guy who translated for Guardiola to Van Gaal and Bobby Robson.

Call him whatever you want. That "translator" defeated your "GOD" :)
 

Pogba4Now

Team Captain
bybuti;2860028 said:
Why should I respect someone who doesn't respect my club?

If you adore him, then ok. I don't have anything against it. For me, he's nothing special. You can put 10 boxers back there and they will kick the ball every time it goes toward their goal. And even they would have done 68 passes.

For me, Mourinho is just a poor guy. He doesn't know how to behave. The way he behaved at the end of the match wasn't a mind game for instance. At least, he could have given the hand to Pep. Not run like a monkey in the pitch. That's provoking 98 000 fans there and millions of others on TVs. That's not professional at all.

I was pissed off when he did that against United in 2004 when he won against us with Porto. Very irritating! But I don't see he disrespected your team. Can't he celebrate his team's win with his team's fans? What should he do then, lay on his ass and sulk in a corner?

People react differently... And Mourinho is well known for this type of celebrations. I would call it disrespecting your club IF he celebrated in front of Barca fans... But no, he ran towards the Inter fans. A bit irritating I admit but not really "disrespecting".


EDIT:



Offside or not? I'd say debatable. Hard to tell. The linesman had a good view of it though.
 

Xifio

The Von Trapps
bybuti;2860028 said:
Why should I respect someone who doesn't respect my club?
what makes you say that he doesn't respect "your" club?


bybuti;2860028 said:
If you adore him, then ok. I don't have anything against it. For me, he's nothing special.
I respect the man immensely, and he is definitely someone one can learn a lot from (note, this does not mean mimicking him, and his out-ward persona or his demeanour; it means understanding him and his ideas/decisions/etc., and gaining knowledge from them) ...

and he's "nothing special" for you? ok, but I can't say I am surprised, nor can I say I am displeased about that ...


bybuti;2860028 said:
You can put 10 boxers back there and they will kick the ball every time it goes toward their goal. And even they would have done 68 passes.
uh, 10 "boxers" and they will "kick"? ok, so I guess we're referring to "kickboxers" here ... nevertheless, the response is: you're trying to oversimplify something because you are blinding yourself with emotion ... it is no mean feat to stop Messi through legal means ... and it is especially no mean feat to stop Messi, Xavi, and the entire Barcelona team altogether ... if you "box" Messi, he'll go down and start rolling around (like he did at Stamford Bridge), in an effort to get you sent off ... haha, in fact, it seems like if you just "palm" people now, they will go down, clutching their face, and get you sent off (H) ...

so don't let you bias and/or emotion curtail your judgement, especially if you want people to take you seriously as an intelligent fan ... I won't blame you if you don't want to be rational about it; it just means you'll be a diehard fanatic, instead of an individual of intellect ... there is just a different kind of respect for that, that's all ...


bybuti;2860028 said:
For me, Mourinho is just a poor guy. He doesn't know how to behave. The way he behaved at the end of the match wasn't a mind game for instance. At least, he could have given the hand to Pep. Not run like a monkey in the pitch. That's provoking 98 000 fans there and millions of others on TVs. That's not professional at all.
he celebrated victory over the defending European and World champions with gusto ... nothing wrong with that ... he has done that with all his clubs ... he'll continue doing that ... and long may he have reason to ...

as for the whole provacation thing: give me a break! the man was apparently physically attacked while he was in his car last night in Barcelona ... and how much of a fuss did he make about it? and if you're going to cite stuff he's said as a "justification" for that violent behaviour shown to him, then you need to reexamine your principles ... and anyway, for the most part, José tells it like it is! so if you don't like what he's telling you about yourself (in this case "your" club), then hating him for it isn't the solution ...


Arnau;2860032 said:
Guardiola see Football as sport and Mourinho as a competition, thats the diference.
sport is a competition between two or more individuals/teams ... unless you're trying to be somehow existential with your answer? (I highly doubt it)


Nady;2860048 said:


Offside or not? I'd say debatable. Hard to tell. The linesman had a good view of it though.
yeah, really tight ... I thought it was off, but Muntari on the far side is making it really close ... it is a lot tighter than Diego Milito's goal in the first leg, that's for sure ...
 

Socrates

Starting XI
Xifio;2860086 said:
as for the whole provacation thing: give me a break! the man was apparently physically attacked while he was in his car last night in Barcelona ... and how much of a fuss did he make about it? and if you're going to cite stuff he's said as a "justification" for that violent behaviour shown to him, then you need to reexamine your principles ... and anyway, for the most part, José tells it like it is! so if you don't like what he's telling you about yourself (in this case "your" club), then hating him for it isn't the solution ...

Some more from Mourinho

"At 4am we couldn't sleep, as there were fireworks outside the hotel door. We called the police at 11pm and they arrived at 3.30am. A player like Samuel Eto'o who comes back here every few days was harassed by police today when told he had to pay taxes not paid in 2005."

Very classy bunch indeed, and to turn on the sprinklers on the Inter side of players/fans a couple mins after the final was the most classless I have seen in a long time. Can't blame Mourinho for going nuts.
 

Pogba4Now

Team Captain
Xifio;2860086 said:
yeah, really tight ... I thought it was off, but Muntari on the far side is making it really close ... it is a lot tighter than Diego Milito's goal in the first leg, that's for sure ...

He had one leg offside and one leg onside...Does this count as offside or onside?
 

Xifio

The Von Trapps
Socrates;2860087 said:
"At 4am we couldn't sleep, as there were fireworks outside the hotel door. We called the police at 11pm and they arrived at 3.30am. A player like Samuel Eto'o who comes back here every few days was harassed by police today when told he had to pay taxes not paid in 2005."
damn, really? do you have a link to the full interview / article where you read that? coz I'll read that and then look for a video link to hear what exactly was said; I know it is hard to find any other context for those words, but still, I'd like to hear it ...


Socrates;2860087 said:
Very classy bunch indeed, and to turn on the sprinklers on the Inter side of players/fans a couple mins after the final was the most classless I have seen in a long time. Can't blame Mourinho for going nuts.
hahahaha, that's hilarious! I won't say more because such actions speak for themselves ...



Nady;2860097 said:
He had one leg offside and one leg onside...Does this count as offside or onside?
if that was the case, then he's off ... any part of your body that can score a goal (i.e. everything but your hands) can put you in an offside position ... but I still think it is tough to tell where exactly Muntari's legs are, let alone where they are in relation to Piquenbauer's leading leg ...
 

MaestroZidane

YELLOW CARD: Untrustworthy
Jubilant Mourinho salutes his team of heroes

"Leo Messi is Messi. An incredible talent, from another galaxy, but like all the others he didn't play to his strengths. That should be quality and fair play, but I saw none of it on or off the pitch," Mourinho told RAI. "At 4am we couldn't sleep, as there were fireworks outside the hotel door. We called the police at 11pm and they arrived at 3.30am. A player like Samuel Eto'o who comes back here every few days was harassed by police today when told he had to pay taxes not paid in 2005."

Mourinho also expressed his displeasure at Thiago Motta's red card in the first half. "I can make a guarantee, that next year I'll be back. I always seem to end up being paired with Barcelona and every time something happens,'' he said. "Thiago Motta's card was the same as that for Didier Drogba. Unfortunately Motta lost his cool for a second. I said nothing to him at half-time. I spoke to the rest of the team to explain how they should play and adapt.

"I do not want to judge the referee. I said beforehand that when the players want to help the referee, his job is easy, but tonight some people tried to make life difficult for him. It was a team of heroes, where everyone left their blood on that pitch. I am proud of everyone, those who played and didn't, of the fans who suffered with us here and at home.

"Barcelona did their celebrating beforehand, created some controversy and did some incredible things over the past 24 hours. Now I ask the fans to welcome us at the airport, even if it's tough and they have to work tomorrow. They should arrive at the airport to welcome these spectacular players, as they've earned it.

"I can only imagine how they're enjoying it, as they know how difficult this was. It's hard against Barca with 11 men, but with 10 it's extraordinary. This is the greatest defeat of my life! But my team deserved to draw 0-0 really. Julio Cesar made it seem as if we were playing with 11 men."

As for his altercation with Valdes, Mourinho accused Barcelona of having done their celebrating before the game even started. "I felt an incredible joy,'' he said. ''I have already won the Champions League, but I can say tonight felt better than that. Porto won the final 3-0 and I knew half an hour from the end that we had already won, whereas here it was right to the end.

"Valdes, like the others, expected to win this tie. They had a big surprise at San Siro and when we saw the mess they made with the T-shirts and the people making noise, it became clear they were afraid. In the way we were set out to begin with and all 11 players, we could've won here. Goran Pandev's injury forced us to change and Motta's red card again, it was an incredible game."

Great interview by Mourinho..
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Arnau;2860032 said:
Guardiola see Football as sport and Mourinho as a competition, thats the diference.

It makes sense doesn't it? Barca is Cruyff's club, the guy who cares more about style than substance. Even today he denies that winning is important if you look good losing.
 

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bybuti;2860028 said:
Why should I respect someone who doesn't respect my club?

If you adore him, then ok. I don't have anything against it. For me, he's nothing special. You can put 10 boxers back there and they will kick the ball every time it goes toward their goal. And even they would have done 68 passes.

For me, Mourinho is just a poor guy. He doesn't know how to behave. The way he behaved at the end of the match wasn't a mind game for instance. At least, he could have given the hand to Pep. Not run like a monkey in the pitch. That's provoking 98 000 fans there and millions of others on TVs. That's not professional at all.

He beat the best team in the world at their own stadium with 10 players for an hour. Anything less than a run across the full pitch would have been an insult.
 

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To be honest, you could see Inter eliminating Barcelona from a mile away before the first leg even started. Barcelona's style is too well-suited for Inter's defense. Barca is terrible at crosses or long balls and there were quite a few discussions in these forums before about Barcelona being a one-style team. Once you block their path to the goal on the ground, they become clueless. There is no plan B, there is no tactic that you switch to in case a team parks the bus. They were playing with a man up and yet all I ever saw with 3-4 players at most in the box waiting for crosses. When Chelsea or United are pressuring teams like that, they pack that mother****er up with 6-7 players, how are you gonna score from a cross when you are twice outnumbered? And the fact that your central defender was your best forward today because he was the only one to recognize a need for a different approach is a cause for concern too. This shows a lot of weakness in Guardiola's coaching abilities. Mourinho said it himself once at Chelsea "you can't play every team the same way" and Guardiola knows only 1 way. It was the same thing against United two years ago. Barcelona dominated and yet had no plan B, since their plan A wasn't working
 

ausbarca

Reserve Team
ShiftyPowers;2860117 said:
It makes sense doesn't it? Barca is Cruyff's club, the guy who cares more about style than substance. Even today he denies that winning is important if you look good losing.

thing is we didnt look good at all
 


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