The Juan Veron thread

[mhflierman]

I just thought "let's start a Veron thread to find out more about him". I've never really seen him play in his Lazio period, so I don't know anything about him, about the way he played and in what position that was at Lazio. I'd like to know all this because his time in England must be a true hell for him, he isn't doing ANYTHING right at the moment. Please post your thoughts and how will he ever fit in the ManUtd XI.....

 

[monkee]

I'm not sure. I think the Lazio team was built around his passing ability. He was the central figure of that team. At Manchester United Keane is the vulcrum for the team so Veron has to fit in alongside them, maybe not his ideal position.

Personally, I think he's impressive. When I've seen him play his passing's been siblime as has his close ball control. His willingness to get stuck into tackles at the start of this season is very good. I don't think it's him that's misfiring at the moment. Give it a bit of time for the team to click attack wise and I think we'll see some rave reviews about Veron (and hopefully a stop to the witch-hunt)

 

[mhflierman]

Originally posted by monkee
I'm not sure. I think the Lazio team was built around his passing ability. He was the central figure of that team. At Manchester United Keane is the vulcrum for the team so Veron has to fit in alongside them, maybe not his ideal position.

Personally, I think he's impressive. When I've seen him play his passing's been siblime as has his close ball control. His willingness to get stuck into tackles at the start of this season is very good. I don't think it's him that's misfiring at the moment. Give it a bit of time for the team to click attack wise and I think we'll see some rave reviews about Veron (and hopefully a stop to the witch-hunt)

True, he is playing better then last season. He's working harder and actually tackling hard, risking cards. I'm not hoping that he flops, in fact I'm just trying to find all this out because I would love to see him succeed, not only for himself but also for the sake of ManUtd. He could be such a great asset, not just in a creative way but also as a personality on the pitch and his because of shooting abilty. He certainly is the guy to score goals from the second or third line. Remember Roy Keane firing in shots from outside the box in the 99 season? Scholes used to be very good at it as well. That was great, Veron can do that as well. But then more in a way like Becks' goal against Deportivo, remember? That magnificent lob...... Man I just hope that he will find his form and joy of playing soon...

 

[INFESTA]

Originally posted by monkee
(and hopefully a stop to the witch-hunt)

Well, he isn't La Brujita for nothing...

 

[LaBrujita]

I think to utilize Veron most effectively you have to play him in one of two roles:
1) A completely free role - just roming the field anywhere he wants. Exactly what it is, a free role. Also, being the main offensive machine in the team . He played this role in Estudiantes, Boca, and even Parma. Maradona described his position as "everywhere" (when playing with him at Boca).

2) A libero/defensive half that purely distributes. Just hang around in the center of the park and receives balls out of the back and starts every attack with his pinpoint passing. Also, suprisingly enough, he is (can be) very effective defensively. He played this in the '98 world cup, and a slightly more attacking version in the past world cup. Also at Lazio and Sampdoria (under Sven Goran).


I think one major problem with Man U these days is Ferguson himself. He has the "Pat Quinn" (a hockey coach/manager) disease as I call it. He spent 28 million or whatever on Veron and seems to have no clue how to use him and puts no effort into finding out. Nicky Butt is preferred to Veron in all aspects it seems with Ferguson. Nicky Butt hussles and gets in hard but has 0 offensive abilities. Veron can hussle and get in hard and is one of the most gifted offensive players in the world.

I think if they form the team around Veron's play they would have a much better chance at winning the premiership/Champions League.

Ferguson should have the same approach to Veron as Eriksson, "A lot of people, however, told me that it would be wrong to limit Veron and his fantasian, forcing him to take on overly precise tactical requirements. So I think I will give him whatever number shirt (because he plays the number 5 (DM) role for the Arg. national team) and tell him simply to go out there and do as he prefers."

 

[mhflierman]

Originally posted by LaBrujita
I think .... prefers."

Don't agree with everything, but you've made your point and now I know how Veron played in the past. I'd like to see him in that attacking role. So a 4-4-2 system with an attacking and a defensive midfielder would be usefull. But still I think it is very difficult to play Veron and those other four world-class midfielders in one midfield....

 

[Dirlewanger]

Originally posted by mhflierman
But still I think it is very difficult to play Veron and those other four world-class midfielders in one midfield....

its supposedly a squad rotation system, but it never seems to work out like that

 

[SnYper]

Originally posted by LaBrujita
I think to utilize Veron most effectively you have to play him in one of two roles:
1) A completely free role - just roming the field anywhere he wants. Exactly what it is, a free role. Also, being the main offensive machine in the team . He played this role in Estudiantes, Boca, and even Parma. Maradona described his position as "everywhere" (when playing with him at Boca).

2) A libero/defensive half that purely distributes. Just hang around in the center of the park and receives balls out of the back and starts every attack with his pinpoint passing. Also, suprisingly enough, he is (can be) very effective defensively. He played this in the '98 world cup, and a slightly more attacking version in the past world cup. Also at Lazio and Sampdoria (under Sven Goran).


I think one major problem with Man U these days is Ferguson himself. He has the "Pat Quinn" (a hockey coach/manager) disease as I call it. He spent 28 million or whatever on Veron and seems to have no clue how to use him and puts no effort into finding out. Nicky Butt is preferred to Veron in all aspects it seems with Ferguson. Nicky Butt hussles and gets in hard but has 0 offensive abilities. Veron can hussle and get in hard and is one of the most gifted offensive players in the world.

I think if they form the team around Veron's play they would have a much better chance at winning the premiership/Champions League.

Ferguson should have the same approach to Veron as Eriksson, "A lot of people, however, told me that it would be wrong to limit Veron and his fantasian, forcing him to take on overly precise tactical requirements. So I think I will give him whatever number shirt (because he plays the number 5 (DM) role for the Arg. national team) and tell him simply to go out there and do as he prefers."

I agree COMPLETELY(well except for the Pat Quinn thing ). Seriously though, it's been shown that when the offense is focused around the ability of Veron success will follow.

One other suggestion I would also add is to allow Veron to take atleast 1 out of 3 free kicks. I assume all the Man Utd supporters are so caught up with Beckham and his kicks, that they have forgotten that Veron is excellent at free kicks. It would add some variety and may surprise some teams. It's just too obvious Beckham is gonna take the kick, and to be honest, he misses the net or hits the wall quite a bit.

 

[LaBrujita]

Actually Pat seems to have overcome that disease, so I only still use that term because my friends find it amusing. He seemed to become rejuvinated at the beginning of last season and eventually let the 'nucks to the Gold Medal
So I can't seriously speak bad about him.

I agree with you aswell about the free kicks. Apparantely Veron and Beckham hang around after training and have competitions against each other all the time. Beckham hasn't been too spot on with his kicks recently. Seems like it's in Beckham's contract