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Sir Didier Drogba
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Herbert Chapman
He has been managing at the top level since forever and has one CL final. One of the biggest English clubs too and only competition till Chelsea, then City turned up in a hype job league till before very recent seasons in terms of quality beneath the obvious-vs rubbish players and managers. Then again the stadium move did limit him but he never retained a league title and consistently underperformed in Europe with some of the finest players before. Most of what he bought but did have a superb structure to build on being one of the best defenses with only him having a clue about the French market.
Yesterday was basically Arsenal under Arsene of the past 10 years rolled into one game. Per was injured a month ago-not to mention we needed a CB anyway. Why isn't Mustafi here already? Why spend 40m on Xhaka to not start him with two kids in CB? Last season not a single outfield player bought. Cazorla didn't start and Ramsey played attacking midfield. Young players don't develop and are always positionally suspect with some serious flaws. The season hasn't even started yet with just a game played and we have an injury crisis, again. Its a recurring theme every season and funnily enough we get hit with injuries in basically the same area fans cry out for reinforcements but they're either never there or are too late. Going into every season we're under prepared not just in players but the level they're at and tactically, amateurish.
How does he have unprecedented job security with one of the highest paid contracts sitting at his desk to renew without ANY consideration whether he is actually deserving of it?
Let me be very blunt, even if we signed Messi and Ronaldo we still won't get over the line under Wenger because he is not good enough to be competing at the highest level with resources at his disposal. Years ago he was but not anymore. You can't have a manager who hasn't a clue on how to control a game or his own players.
Its a joke that Arsenal capitulating is a culture. We're just fortunate Spurs are worse and Liverpool are a joke.
Oh, and he is delusional and either needs to retire or quit thinking Arsenal is his club, his personal experimenting ground while the players are his own children. Can't keep your family together so take it out on your job like a looney instead of being professional. Its a free ride where you get paid millions for embarrassing others, though and have no shame yourself so why bother.
Yesterday was basically Arsenal under Arsene of the past 10 years rolled into one game. Per was injured a month ago-not to mention we needed a CB anyway. Why isn't Mustafi here already? Why spend 40m on Xhaka to not start him with two kids in CB? Last season not a single outfield player bought. Cazorla didn't start and Ramsey played attacking midfield. Young players don't develop and are always positionally suspect with some serious flaws. The season hasn't even started yet with just a game played and we have an injury crisis, again. Its a recurring theme every season and funnily enough we get hit with injuries in basically the same area fans cry out for reinforcements but they're either never there or are too late. Going into every season we're under prepared not just in players but the level they're at and tactically, amateurish.
How does he have unprecedented job security with one of the highest paid contracts sitting at his desk to renew without ANY consideration whether he is actually deserving of it?
Let me be very blunt, even if we signed Messi and Ronaldo we still won't get over the line under Wenger because he is not good enough to be competing at the highest level with resources at his disposal. Years ago he was but not anymore. You can't have a manager who hasn't a clue on how to control a game or his own players.
Its a joke that Arsenal capitulating is a culture. We're just fortunate Spurs are worse and Liverpool are a joke.
Oh, and he is delusional and either needs to retire or quit thinking Arsenal is his club, his personal experimenting ground while the players are his own children. Can't keep your family together so take it out on your job like a looney instead of being professional. Its a free ride where you get paid millions for embarrassing others, though and have no shame yourself so why bother.
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
Pogba4Now;3952840 said:
Arsenal were probably the 3rd most storied club in England before Wenger. Saying "what were they before him" is very dismissive of an important history.
Sir Didier Drogba
Head Official
It's also a return to the premier league after a 14 year absence.
Pogba4Now
Team Captain
Numbers don't lie and here are Arsenal's league standings from 20 years before started managing Arsenal:
Starting from 76/77
8th, 5th, 7th, 4th, 3rd 4th, 10th, 6th, 7th, 7th, 4th, 6th, 1st, 4th, 1st, 4th, 10th, 4th, 12th, 5th
They won the league twice, sure. But in 11 of the seasons, they were out of the top 4.
From 96/97 since Wenger took over, they won the league 3 times only but they have been in the top 4 every single time. Arsenal may have a history bun Wenger transformed the team and expectations of the team forever.
Starting from 76/77
8th, 5th, 7th, 4th, 3rd 4th, 10th, 6th, 7th, 7th, 4th, 6th, 1st, 4th, 1st, 4th, 10th, 4th, 12th, 5th
They won the league twice, sure. But in 11 of the seasons, they were out of the top 4.
From 96/97 since Wenger took over, they won the league 3 times only but they have been in the top 4 every single time. Arsenal may have a history bun Wenger transformed the team and expectations of the team forever.
Sir Didier Drogba
Head Official
Yeah but top four didn't have the same meaning then as it does now - do you think 'top four' would be the benchmark if it wasn't the number of CL places available?
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
"Arsenal were probably the 3rd most storied club in England before Wenger. Saying "what were they before him" is very dismissive of an important history."
How is what you posted in any way a refutation of this? They have the 3rd most titles of any English club, and were actually ahead of Man U when Wenger started. As you pointed out, they also won twice in the late 80s/early 90s, so it's not like they were Wolverhampton at that point. They are also tied with Man U for most FA Cups won, and my guess is they were #1 before Wenger.
Wenger didn't pull a fucking Nottenham Forrest with Arsenal, they were already seen as the third best club in England when he started. He had Tony Adams and Denis Bergkamp already there when he arrived.
How is what you posted in any way a refutation of this? They have the 3rd most titles of any English club, and were actually ahead of Man U when Wenger started. As you pointed out, they also won twice in the late 80s/early 90s, so it's not like they were Wolverhampton at that point. They are also tied with Man U for most FA Cups won, and my guess is they were #1 before Wenger.
Wenger didn't pull a fucking Nottenham Forrest with Arsenal, they were already seen as the third best club in England when he started. He had Tony Adams and Denis Bergkamp already there when he arrived.
Pogba4Now
Team Captain
Fair enough, I'll give you that but my original question was "what was Arsenal before Wenger?". By that I meant mainly consistency at being in the top 4, not necessarily based on the number of titles won. Sorry, that was vague and I should have been more specific.
It seems like the couple of titles they won before was a one season thing for them back then whereas now they are always in the top 4. To me, consistency has more weight than number of titles won.
It seems like the couple of titles they won before was a one season thing for them back then whereas now they are always in the top 4. To me, consistency has more weight than number of titles won.
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
Top 4 Five out of the previous 8 seasons, just got a great first year out of Bergkamp and were clearly about to improve on 5th place under Rioch.
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
The only title Barcelona won between 1960 and 1985 was Cryuff's first year as a player. One title in 24 years. You can't judge football from 25+ years ago by the superclub standard of this decade.
Pogba4Now
Team Captain
Didn't watch the game and I don't want to judge Liverpool this early but people including myself were saying we should judge Klopp after he has had a transfer window on his own to buy players but I have not been impressed with his signings. To me Liverpool is not significantly stronger than last season.