The Fenerbahce Spor Kulubu Thread

TURK_1975 · Jun 10, 2005

IMO he is not a great striker, he is too short for that. He is more like Arif Erdem on the wings where he can run really fast and assist.

Fener_Bahce · Jun 11, 2005

I disagree, he's not composed enough to be a winger, he's more reactive which suites the role of a striker, serhat scored a lot of goals when he got playing time on fener, this was also when he was younger, his skill has improved a lot.

serhat09 · Jun 11, 2005

TURK_1975 said:
IMO he is not a great striker, he is too short for that. He is more like Arif Erdem on the wings where he can run really fast and assist.

First of all, i wouldn't compare Serhat to Arif. They are completely different players. Serhat is much more techinical, and has better pace than Arif. Arif is like nobre, Arif was always a firsatci. Serhat is a very good striker, unfortunately Daum didnt even know he was a striker or something because he played him in the wrong position all year which was the dumbest thing i've ever seen. A player that scored 18 goals in a year when he was 19, should be played as a striker, not some orthodox winger. He's scored 41 goals in about 100 games, considering, that's almost a goal every two games, i'd say that's striker calibre.
This is seriously a great move for him, Daum was not going to give him enough playing time, let alone play him in the wrong position, he wouldn't develop in Fenerbahce anymore. Anderlecht is a team that is regularly in european competition, and have a little more success than Fenerbahce, if Serhat is going to play as one of the main strikers, (He replaced Aruna which was their main striker), means, that he will be shown to all the top clubs scouts, and now has another chance to prove himself a goal scorer. Hopefully he can do well like Nihat, mind you it would be difficult to pull a Nihat, since Nihat has become amazing in Spain, but something close would be beneficial for Turkiye as well to have more striker options.

But everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Fener_Bahce · Jun 11, 2005

on an other note...

UEFA made the right decision in letting Fenerbahce directly qualify for champs league, I still think it's stupid that england gets 5 teams now.

This rule was never broken before, real madrid was in the same situation but the spanish league sacrificed one of its smaller clubs. They didn't pressure uefa to change the written rules :kader:

TURK_1975 · Jun 11, 2005

serhat09 said:
First of all, i wouldn't compare Serhat to Arif. They are completely different players. Serhat is much more techinical, and has better pace than Arif. Arif is like nobre, Arif was always a firsatci. Serhat is a very good striker, unfortunately Daum didnt even know he was a striker or something because he played him in the wrong position all year which was the dumbest thing i've ever seen. A player that scored 18 goals in a year when he was 19, should be played as a striker, not some orthodox winger. He's scored 41 goals in about 100 games, considering, that's almost a goal every two games, i'd say that's striker calibre.
This is seriously a great move for him, Daum was not going to give him enough playing time, let alone play him in the wrong position, he wouldn't develop in Fenerbahce anymore. Anderlecht is a team that is regularly in european competition, and have a little more success than Fenerbahce, if Serhat is going to play as one of the main strikers, (He replaced Aruna which was their main striker), means, that he will be shown to all the top clubs scouts, and now has another chance to prove himself a goal scorer. Hopefully he can do well like Nihat, mind you it would be difficult to pull a Nihat, since Nihat has become amazing in Spain, but something close would be beneficial for Turkiye as well to have more striker options.

But everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I am not comparing Arif over Serhat man. What I am trying to say is that Serhat is more like Arif's style. A normal striker has to be tall like Hakan Sukur. I would not play Serhat as a striker but he would be a great pick as a forward player beside the striker, I would make him run to the wings so he can either cross or sneak through the defence. Where did you get the idea Nobre vs Arif kind of thing? Come on man I watched Arif since early 90s, he was one of my favourite players and untill Hakan Sukur left to Inter Arif played as a winger not as a striker. Arif's job was to cross not to score. How do you think that Hakan Sukur became famouse with headers? He owes Arif alot. Arif use to score like 6-7 goals per year but over 15 assists. About few years ago where we didn't had a striker when Jardel left the team, Galatasaray had no strikers and Arif was best pick and he became the Turkish goal scorer with Ilhan Mansiz. Yes I agree that Serhat is faster then Arif but Arif was really fast as well in his days.

serhat09 · Jun 11, 2005

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, i'll repeat that again

41 goals in 100 games sounds like a striker more than a winger.

TURK_1975 · Jun 11, 2005

serhat09 said:
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, i'll repeat that again

41 goals in 100 games sounds like a striker more than a winger.

Yep as a forward player he should score goals if he loves to do so, Arif loved to assist so does Ribery. Even wingers are considered as forward players. But his height doesn't complete him being a striker IMO. The way he is built man, he looks like more like an attacking midfield or winger. Any who, thats just my openion. I would love to see a tall striker then a short one but you have a point, he also scored alot of goals.

diroix · Jun 12, 2005

Serhat scored too many goals in Turkey because he was playing as a striker when his first seasons with Fenerbahce..Werner Lorant put Serhat to forward with Kenneth Anderson 3 years ago but Daum didnt prefer Serhat as a striker..i think Serhat is like Saviola..fast and technical..but Serhat's finishing is not too good he must improve his finishing..

serhat09 · Jun 12, 2005

TURK_1975 said:
Yep as a forward player he should score goals if he loves to do so, Arif loved to assist so does Ribery. Even wingers are considered as forward players. But his height doesn't complete him being a striker IMO. The way he is built man, he looks like more like an attacking midfield or winger. Any who, thats just my openion. I would love to see a tall striker then a short one but you have a point, he also scored alot of goals.

ALthough height is an advantage, it's not needed in being a great forward. Remember, Owen is not tall, ROnaldo isn't really that tall, neuville isn't tall, Diouf isn't tall, Martins isn't tall, Recoba isn't tall, Raul isn' tall, i'msure there are others i'm forgetting. So it isn't fair to say someone can't be a complete striker just because of his height.

TURK_1975 · Jun 12, 2005

serhat09 said:
ALthough height is an advantage, it's not needed in being a great forward. Remember, Owen is not tall, ROnaldo isn't really that tall, neuville isn't tall, Diouf isn't tall, Martins isn't tall, Recoba isn't tall, Raul isn' tall, i'msure there are others i'm forgetting. So it isn't fair to say someone can't be a complete striker just because of his height.

You forgot Rooney. But to me all these players are forwards not strikers. A striker's job is to score goals which he needs to be a great finisher, a forward's job is to destroy the defence with his speed, get in to crossing positions, basically assist the striker and the same time score goals if he can finish it with a shot.

I don't know I might be wrong but a striker's role is a little different than a forward, although both positions are related to each other.

Ny8La8 · Jun 12, 2005

I have a question: I've been reading these Turkish newspapers and they're all saying things like "Liverpool has to play an on eleme mac" and so Fener can qualify directly to CL. But Fener won their league so Fener was gonna qualify ANYWAY.

SO what the hell does Liverpool's situation have to do with Fenerbahce's CL journey?

serhat09 · Jun 12, 2005

Ny8La8 said:
I have a question: I've been reading these Turkish newspapers and they're all saying things like "Liverpool has to play an on eleme mac" and so Fener can qualify directly to CL. But Fener won their league so Fener was gonna qualify ANYWAY.

SO what the hell does Liverpool's situation have to do with Fenerbahce's CL journey?

no. this was the problem. IF liverpool were granted to be in the champions league directly, then Fenerbahce would have to play in the 3rd qualifying round. Since Fenerbahce's coefficient is so low, we would've played a tough opponent in the 3rd qualifying round.

Now that liverpool is playing in the qualifying, Fenerbahce has that last direct qualification spot secured.

Ny8La8 · Jun 12, 2005

^^^^ OoHhHH OK thanx a lot.

Why are Turkish team's coefficients so low?

So that means that whatever team finishes first in the Turkish League has to always play a qualification match to enter the CL? That's ghey.

serhat09 · Jun 12, 2005

Ny8La8 said:
^^^^ OoHhHH OK thanx a lot.

Why are Turkish team's coefficients so low?

So that means that whatever team finishes first in the Turkish League has to always play a qualification match to enter the CL? That's ghey.

Well, ultimately its Fenerbahce's coefficient. Galatasarays coefficient is the best in Turkey, and usually they aren't the last seeded team that goes in directly, because of the UEFA Cup victory. Even BJK's is higher than Fener's and Besiktas is usually the 2nd last or 3rd last spot in the direct qualification.

Fener_Bahce · Jun 12, 2005

no we don't always have to play a qualification match, 1st place goes in directy, but the FA decided to be whiney babies and pressure uefa to change the rules just get liverpool in CL.

The proper thing to do would have been to sacrifice a team in the EPL for liverpool, but no.

serhat09 · Jun 12, 2005

Ny8La8 · Jun 13, 2005

serhat09 said:
http://www.antu.com/naklenx/stuttgart_fener/stuttgart1fb2serhat.mpg Super Move by Serhat!!!

Serhats goals

OMG WOW!!! Can someone make that an avatar for me? WHOA! :gavin:

Martin Kolar · Jun 13, 2005

thanks for all that stuff, i appreciate

and serhat09: check pm

serhat09 · Jun 14, 2005

Fenerbahce rumoured with Igor Biscan

http://www.lfconline.com/news/loadnews.asp?cid=TMNW&id=226148

I remember when we were suppost to buy this guy like 5 years ago. Probably when he could've been more useful for us.

Fener_Bahce · Jun 16, 2005

A good bye video made by antu.com

amazing...

http://www.antu.com/2005-2006/video/klipler/SERHATvedaKLIP.mpg

it's sad we had no room for him to start on our team, it's good for him now though.

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