The "Cristiano Ronaldo's future" saga thread.

[Help?]

Where did you read Ferguson threatening to quit? Ferguson doesn't want to sell him for obvious reasons, but at the same time he can just be like "yeah whatever, you can have him" because that would put the ball in Real's court and give them a chance to negotiate a reduced price. But if United acts like they don't want to sell him for anything in the world, then they are kinda keeping it high, to make sure that they get the most out of it. Remember how much Leeds was getting for players they wanted to keep and how much they were getting for players once they were forced to sell?

 

[Deni_Rossonero]

Where did you read Ferguson threatening to quit?

here

but that's just journalists making **** up like in 99.99% of the articles, they either make assumptions themselves or put the quote marks and write **** in and say a source said it, or they twist and turn every single syllable out of some interview 5 years ago. I will not bother thinking about this until the season starts and i see him wearing red or white.

 

[MaestroZidane]

its all coming from the daily express. Like anything else, will believe it when I see it or actually hear him say it

 

[MikeyM]

I'm supporting Germany on Thursday - Portugal will be out and this can be resolved.

 

[adedawson]

Good for him is hes doing a degree, does it make him superior to everyone else one??? Or does it make him a silly arrogant wasteman.

Again ronaldos goals, does he score them because hes that good or is it more because hes plaing at united and everyone is making him look good.

He wouldn't even get 10 if he played for someone like Spurs or Blackburn

I had thought that maybe the case myself. That its the players around him that lead him to excel. He obviously talented but I some what agree. The fact he's scored 1 goal so far sort of supports that. Considering before the Euro's he was getting at least 1 goal a game. But there again you have to remember he didn't play the last game being rested.

I guess the biggest test will be when he goes back to Manchester, will his goal form start to come back etc

 

[snoppf1]

Goddamn, you are so ignorant its not even funny. First you call me a stupid fanboy that needs to study for his SATS to get into college. Then you say that i talk nonsense, then that i'm in secondary school and call myself "a genius" (notice how you said it not me), then you call me jealous, then you call me silly arrogant wasteman, then an idiot AND on top of that you FORCE me prove to you that i'm not an idiot and after i do, you attack me for proving it to you! While calling me all of those things it seems like you can't tell a difference between secondary and post-secondary school and don't know what's the difference between a commercial bank and investment bank or what securities are for that matter.

And that's not even the best part! The best part is that in the middle of all this the only thing that i said about you is having Arsenal-coloured glasses and called you ignorant in this post right here.

You gotta learn how to talk to people man, so much attack and i didn't even say anything back. Sounds like you don't know when to stop and hate it when people disagree with you. Why am i even talking to you, you keep putting words in my mouth and then attacking me for them as if i said it. Does a meaningful debate between you and other people include everybody agreeing to what you have to say and those that don't you talking **** about any way possible? Because to me a meaningful debate means that somebody will come in, disagree with my opinion and state their FACTS why while having an open-mind at the same time. Which is really all you had to do is say, "i disagree that Ronaldo gives 100% all the time on the field because of this and that", not "YOU ******* DUMB IDIOT, GO STUDY, YOU DON'T KNOW ****, GEEZ CAN'T PEOPLE HAVE A NORMAL DISCUSSION AROUND HERE?"

Can you read?, i said i dont care about your education. What the hell are you on about in the first paragrah. i didnt call you jealous where the hell did you get that from.

now you either didn't read what i posted or your trying to twist things. You posted two replys saying im really biased and no one can take me serouisly. and you expected me to simply shut up and say nothing

this last post here is you just crying. but this argument is stupid and im fed up with talking about c ronaldo, hes an overrated cheap rent boy whos really not worth our time.

 

[Keegan]

Ok, can we end the argument now? I'd rather not take the approach I usually use in the Fifa forums where I edit the text of the arguments, I would like to think that we are mature enough in this forum to have a difference of opinion without resorting to name calling.

Chill, please.

 

[Help?]

Can you read?, i said i dont care about your education.

And i never said you did. I said that you don't know the difference between university and high school.

What the hell are you on about in the first paragrah. i didnt call you jealous where the hell did you get that from.

As i was writing dozens of insults hurled at me, i saw the "any dig is deemed jealousy" comment and stuck it in there, but my bad, that was the one that really wasn't part of the 10 others personal attacks.

now you either didn't read what i posted or your trying to twist things. You posted two replys saying im really biased and no one can take me serouisly. and you expected me to simply shut up and say nothing

As if saying Ronaldo had 3 average seasons and a disgraceful world cup is not biased. 12 goals and 7 assists in 2006, 23 goals and 20 assists in 2007 and 48 goals and 8 assists in 2008, plus 21 goals for Portugal in 4 years is very average for a winger isn't it? Wonder how many wingers in the world are there with the same stats, must be plenty.
And no i most certainly did not expected you to shut up. I expected you to comeback with your reasoning and rationale for why you think Ronaldo had 3 average seasons, rather than saying that "nobody can take my comments seriously". But apparently you misunderstood that part and decided to take it to a whole new level and launch a herd of attacks on my character, personality and intelligence. And even after I told you to leave the personal stuff out of it you still decided to go on.

this last post here is you just crying.

No i wasn't crying, would you like me to put in a bunch of smiley faces and rolleyes to send the message about my mood a bit clearer?



Anyway, i'm glad that from your last post you matured a little bit and not acting like a little kid at the playground anymore, so how about we discuss why Ronaldo is overrated and what would constitute as a good season for a winger in your eyes then, shall we?

 

[Keegan]

How about you guys quit it? A constructive argument is one thing, but if you are going to act like children, rest assured you will be treated that way.

 

[snoppf1]

Yeah Its ended thats it, all ronaldo fans are the same anyway, always facts, he scored x amount of goals, then never metion in most of these games all he does is score, he dosen't work for the team or behave in a sesible correct manor which is respected in the beautifull game, i feel passionate about football its sad people judge players on facts rather than the beauty and respect they display on the pitch.

I ask, football may need radical changes in the coming years. I dont like how football is a the top anymore. is becoming a playgroud for fame and hard nosed buisnessmen looking to make profit

 

[Help?]

Yeah Its ended thats it, all ronaldo fans are the same anyway, always facts, he scored x amount of goals, then never metion in most of these games all he does is score, he dosen't work for the team or behave in a sesible correct manor which is respected in the beautifull game, i feel passionate about football its sad people judge players on facts rather than the beauty and respect they display on the pitch.

I ask, football may need radical changes in the coming years. I dont like how football is a the top anymore. is becoming a playgroud for fame and hard nosed buisnessmen looking to make profit

In the first 2 years at United Ronaldo was playing more of a midfielder role rather than a winger and he was coming back to defend every single time. He would get the ball near his own box and run it down the line to the opposite box so fast that nobody could catch up to him. It was immature but with his experience it was understandable, but he was always up there at the back and up there at the front. Whenever he would get tackled, he would get right back up and ask for the ball again and again. The fact that he doesn't comeback as many times as he used to is because Ferguson moved him into a more forward role and relieved him of some defending duties after seeing that pay dividends for Portugal. Its the exact same thing with Rooney, he used to be coming back almost every time when playing behind Ruud or Saha, but then once United's defense got stronger with Vidic and Evra stepping up to the plate, we didn't need Rooney at the back as much as we needed him to stay up front. That's why people might think that Ronaldo doesn't try hard because he doesn't run up and down the line constantly, its all the instructions from Ferguson and Quieroz and as you can see with the amount of goals and assists Ronaldo got in the last 2 seasons, its exactly what they were looking for.

So no, i don't think that Ronaldo gives his all just because he got over 60 goals and 25 assists in the last two years. I think that because i have been watching him for 5 years and i am very well aware of how he plays and how he can play, just like you are much more aware of Fabregas' play than i am.

 

[adedawson]

Not sure if this is old news but FIFA have asked the Spanish FA to have words with Real. - http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1778_3700924,00.html

The sun are saying owners, the glazer that ron is not for sale. Not sure how reliable that is coming from the sun but they have direct quotes. - http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article1305404.ece

I guess if the owners and SAF have both said he's not going, he's not going. Glazers said there complying with SAF's directions so unless SAF changes his mind about wanting him, he's staying.

The thing that confuses me Ron must have spoke with SAF or someone from the club explaining this so why isn't he just coming out and saying it. The lad ain't stupid. This must be to do with wages up until 2012.

After all Ron himself has never said anything about leaving. He was quoted of saying "I Stay" just after they won Europe everything after that has been nonsense. He may have reiterated the fact he wants to move to Real when he's done in Manchester, i.e after 2012. He may also have left comments wide open too speculation but he's never said he will move now. After the Euro's I can see him giving a statement saying just that. But again why all the perlava. It has to be to do with wages or another angle I'm not seeing. It all seems a bit immature or maybe very smart move by agents.

I read somewhere SAF saying they may need to bump his wages to keep him happy in staying, I assume for any chance of them keeping him after 2012. So I guess its working, if that statements true.

*edit*

just been thinking as I've been reading around about the situation. It would seem its easy to put an impression on the lad? Remember after the world cup he was like I'm leaving. Then he had a chat with a few people then decided to stay even when practically the whole nation was hating him? If he can be convinced to stay after that it would seem to me he can be convinced into a great lot of things.

i.e. agent says lets do this to bump your wages

i.e. He's away on Euro duty, speaking with NT mates who are probably be saying things, national coach hitting he should move to real etc.

He then comes back to Manchester, has a word with SAF and co "yeah I'm staying."

Young, impressionable, needs direction, Father figures, confused are words that spring to mind. Things like that nike advert also spring to mind where he goes off on a hissy fit because the speed radar ain't picking up his kicks right.

anyway I'm ranting, but I feel more inclined that he's potentially staying.

 

[Filipower]

How the **** do you guys still have doubts about the fact that this entire **** is caused by agents?

 

[adedawson]

first time I thought about it, not sure about everyone else. Impressionable lad with wage tactics seems to hit the nail on the head. The fact he has a contract till 2012, the fact ron knows this and only just agreed to it would suggest a great deal of time was spent on thinking when would be the right time for the next move i.e in 4 years time and then the fact SAF and glazers have said he's not going with a string of other people like his mom supports this. It would seem like his agents said be vague and say nothing to try scare for wage increase?

 

[MikeyM]

How the **** do you guys still have doubts about the fact that this entire **** is caused by agents?

And the media. But then Ronaldo is a 23 year old adult with a mind of his own. What annoys me is why he feels there is a decision to be made at all - he signed up for five years last summer!

I want to change my mobile phone but I signed a contract and I have to let it run out first - that's exactly how football contracts should be seen.

But then as I said before, if he is pining for Madrid - then he's not committed to United, and if that's the case we should get rid before he possibly poisons Nani or Anderson's opinions too.

 

[lanze07]

I hope that crazy Calderon is not going to buy "the diva"

 

[newbie original]

"As soon as he says he wants to play for Real Madrid, there will be conversations," Madrid official Miguel Angel Arroyo told newspaper Marca. He must be a Germany fan........

 

[Keegan]

Well, so much for the saga... Ronaldo will talk more about his future when EURO 2008 is over for Portugal... (which is in another 10 minutes as I type this!)

 

[KingPaulV]

Its over for them now....let's hear what the man got to say so that we can all move on to the next step....I bet Spanish and English tabloids got wet when Ballack scored and then when the ref blew the wistle they must have all had massive orgasms....They just want to hear Ronaldo so bad...lol

 

[snoppf1]

Notice how man united fans want him more than madrid fans do