Spain vs Italy [P+R+Why Italy Will Win]

[modena_10]

You should try Raymond he will be free in few days....

i'd rather cheer for portugal then have domenech as our coach.

 

[modena_10]

You're talking about one game, but in that WC Italy were outplayed by Ghana, USA, Germany and got their asses handed on plate by France. They beat a very inferior Ukraine and struggled to beat Australia, managing to win 1-0 thanks to a dive by Grosso.

HA. that's all that deserves

You should try Raymond he will be free in few days....

i would rather cheer for portugal then have domenech even be interviewed for the position.

 

[newbie original]

...Ouch, my brain hurts. Outplayed by Ghana, what game were you watching? Italy created more chances, Toni hit the crossbar and Perrota had a good chance denied by an in-form Ghanaian goalie. Ghana only created one dangerous chance that game and it was a shot from Essien that was saved by Buffon.

In the USA game, Italy went ahead, then pretty much immediately went a man down before Zaccardo forgot a how a ball is properly cleared and put the ball in his own net. We scored for the USA, and I very much doubt they would have even threatened our goal that game. After the sending off of De Rossi is what an ugly game on the part of both teams.

Australia, again, Italy was playing well had had created the better chances until Materazzi got sent off for tackling his own team-mate. As for Grosso, please, nobody deny there wasn't contact, because there clearly was. Yeah, he went down lightly, I'll give you that, but it was justification for the ridiculous sending off of Materazzi. Italy had been in control most of the match before the sending off and Australia still struggled to score despite being up a man for much of the second half.

For most of the match, Italy vs. Germany was even. Action packed, end to end stuff, both teams creating chances, not to many bad passes. Except in overtime, when Italy started to pin the German defense and started to attack because it was obvious Italy didn't want penalties. Don't forgot that both Gilardino and Zambrotta hit the post and crossbar respectively. Italy were relentess and didn't give up and scored two goals right at the end. A fully deserved win by an Italian team that didn't surrender.

Handed our asses to us on a plate by France? Is coming back from 1-0 down and a having a legit goal disallowed count as having our asses handed to us? To be honest, both teams didn't look that lively the entire match and it was far from spectacular. That final will be remembered for its drama, not the football that was played....

Agreed....well said!

 

[vitu]

Right the Italians paid the ref off so much they told him to send off Materazzi for tackling his own team-mate just so they could sneak the Grosso-not-so-much-a-dive under the radar so nobody would suspect that those greasy Italians paid the ref off. Well it's a shame it didn't work so well, because nothing really gets past you does it, OrgulloIdioto? I mean, if you could see what nobody else could see, what are you doing here on soccergaming? It's obvious you're more suited to be a detective than a measely forum-goer. But you've settled for the latter, damn shame. But instead you've decided to post away and make yourself look a ******* idiot. Go put those awesome detective skills you have and get as far away from this forum as you can.

Funny stuff It's "Orgullopendejo" btw Try to understand man. He's got **** for brains. This thread should be closed.

 

[OrgulloVikingo]

That ref was horrid. Only 2 excuses were #1, he was paid, #2, hes just useless. Either way he should never ref again

 

[modena_10]

why are you the only one who has said anything about the ref.

imo, the ref called too many fouls not allowing a good flow to the game. he was spot on with simulation, for both sides. he did a good job of asserting himself early so there were no stupid tackles leading to bookings. overall i thought he did an adequate job. nothing really to complain about from either side.

and to those penalty appeals, even john helm said "if it were outside the box it would have been a foul, but inside its just play on", or something to that nature. but i don't blame the ref if he "missed" one, spain were flopping in the box a couple times. and if there is something i've learned from watching our NT, is don't cry wolf too many times.

and i thnk it was newbie who said "when did torres dive"? off the top of my head, he dove when someone backed into him and he flopped on the spot. not sure what player it was against though.

 

[KingPaulV]

Everybody flops in modern football unfortunately. I mean think about it how many players outthere do you know that dont dive....exactly we have to count them in one hand because frankly almost no one is free of guilt...In the premiership diving is less pervassive cause ref's let the play go on, but they still do it. In Uruguay for example players admit that as part of their upbringing they are thought to dive and act out fouls...it is shameful, but that is the way the game is now. And if i had to name five NT that dive for a living then Italy, Argentina, Spain (yes Spain) Portugal and Uruguay have to come to mind.... the only way to stop it is if ref's stayed consistent and stop calling it as they do all the time

 

[Num Lock]

under lippi it was starting to look like we were gonna shake the "catenaccio" tag but in this tourney it came back because donadoni **** his pants the first game.

if anyone watched WC06, the italians played some very attractive football. the germany game, although 0-0 after 118 mins, was an instant classic. amazing match to watch. we should have destroyed the aussies with the chances we had, not to mention the phantom red to matrix, the grosso dive(even though there was contact) was justice to the red. we made simple work of the ukraine early, so yeah they had some possession late so maybe the scoreline should have been 3-1. in the final, the first half was a joy to watch. the 2nd and ET were bad at times but we just didn't have as good of legs as the french(african) midfield.

i hope that our next coach adapts a more complete all around game like lippi did. who knows maybe in the future we will have a foreign coach to shake things up.

lol i give you this trans-alpine "brother" italy's style works if it didn't you wouldn't have as many cups as you have, but don't EVER kid yourself into thinking your NT will play attacking football EVER, because you just don't know how to do that, you know how to defend, and SOME of you know how to counter but that's about it, attacking football is something you fail to do, YES you bore everybody and their mothers in a football match, when you say "beautiful displays of attacking football" all the world sees is counter attacking football after parking 11 behind the ball so don't ever think you play or have played at any moment in time attacking football, it's not in your blood. african midfield my balls, be happy that you lucked out during 06 finals because the coin can always land both ways and this time it landed Spain's way. During our last final we both played defensive ****ty football to our dismay, and to your pride, when Italy wins something you rub it on peoples faces while the rest of the world can finally rest from watching such boring displays of football so don't ever think otherwise and enjoy whatever you have achieved these last few years and let the Spaniards party on, because at least they produce football instead of defending and forcing PKs.

 

[OrgulloVikingo]

The ref had a piss poor game. Any one thinking otherwise is blind. It was fact that it was a horridly called game. end of story

 

[Jaboldinho]

C'mon, that's not true. The ref did an OK-job. No big mistakes really. Perhaps he should've let the game flow better, not stopping the game so often, but no real mistakes. Only real mistake I saw from him, I guess, was booking Villa for diving, when he just lost his balance.

And if you're so-*******-convinced that he was horrible, should never be a ref again, because of that match, then atleast back your opinions up somehow, giving examples of situations where he sucked.

Opinions without arguments are as useless as Blatter.

 

[mnj2x]

Fabregas gets all the plaudits for his winning penalty?? ?Wtf?? shouldnt cassillas be classified as the hero??? the media is just dumb!

 

[OrgulloVikingo]

C'mon, that's not true. The ref did an OK-job. No big mistakes really. Perhaps he should've let the game flow better, not stopping the game so often, but no real mistakes. Only real mistake I saw from him, I guess, was booking Villa for diving, when he just lost his balance.

And if you're so-*******-convinced that he was horrible, should never be a ref again, because of that match, then atleast back your opinions up somehow, giving examples of situations where he sucked.

Opinions without arguments are as useless as Blatter.

One penalty not called in Spains favor and a few right outside the box (like 3 of em). also he called fouls for the same type of situations he ignored at the other end. Very inconsistant. etc, etc. The ref was piss poor mate! Perhaps you should see the game again. And Im not the only one who thinks so, Im just the only one bringing it up. and actually, I saw the game twice. Once in Spanish and once in English and even the commentators were appauled by his job!

 

[Yossarian]

under lippi it was starting to look like we were gonna shake the "catenaccio" tag but in this tourney it came back because donadoni **** his pants the first game.

if anyone watched WC06, the italians played some very attractive football. the germany game, although 0-0 after 118 mins, was an instant classic. amazing match to watch. we should have destroyed the aussies with the chances we had, not to mention the phantom red to matrix, the grosso dive(even though there was contact) was justice to the red. we made simple work of the ukraine early, so yeah they had some possession late so maybe the scoreline should have been 3-1. in the final, the first half was a joy to watch. the 2nd and ET were bad at times but we just didn't have as good of legs as the french(african) midfield.

i hope that our next coach adapts a more complete all around game like lippi did. who knows maybe in the future we will have a foreign coach to shake things up.

WTF? Is it really necessary to point out where their heritage lies, man? It's really prejudiced and derisive because you're insinuating that they'll never be seen as being authentically French as the Caucasian inhabitants of France no matter how long they've lived there or have been speaking the language....you make it sound like they were expediently naturalized minutes before the tourney started or something......sh!t ain't right....or maybe I'm getting a little too sensitive in my old age?.....hmm

 

[modena_10]

WTF? Is it really necessary to point out where their heritage lies, man? It's really prejudiced and derisive because you're insinuating that they'll never be seen as being authentically French as the Caucasian inhabitants of France no matter how long they've lived there or have been speaking the language....you make it sound like they were expediently naturalized minutes before the tourney started or something......sh!t ain't right....or maybe I'm getting a little too sensitive in my old age?.....hmm

your right yoss, i apologize. just a poke at the french. whether it was in the heat of the argument or whatever, i was wrong to say it.

One penalty not called in Spains favor and a few right outside the box (like 3 of em). also he called fouls for the same type of situations he ignored at the other end. Very inconsistant. etc, etc. The ref was piss poor mate! Perhaps you should see the game again. And Im not the only one who thinks so, Im just the only one bringing it up. and actually, I saw the game twice. Once in Spanish and once in English and even the commentators were appauled by his job!

those are not examples. give situations with players in the game.

lol i give you this trans-alpine "brother" italy's style works if it didn't you wouldn't have as many cups as you have, but don't EVER kid yourself into thinking your NT will play attacking football EVER, because you just don't know how to do that, you know how to defend, and SOME of you know how to counter but that's about it, attacking football is something you fail to do, YES you bore everybody and their mothers in a football match, when you say "beautiful displays of attacking football" all the world sees is counter attacking football after parking 11 behind the ball so don't ever think you play or have played at any moment in time attacking football, it's not in your blood. african midfield my balls, be happy that you lucked out during 06 finals because the coin can always land both ways and this time it landed Spain's way. During our last final we both played defensive ****ty football to our dismay, and to your pride, when Italy wins something you rub it on peoples faces while the rest of the world can finally rest from watching such boring displays of football so don't ever think otherwise and enjoy whatever you have achieved these last few years and let the Spaniards party on, because at least they produce football instead of defending and forcing PKs.

bitter much?

and yes, you hit the nail on the head. we have never played attacking football.....ever.

 

[Num Lock]

your right yoss, i apologize. just a poke at the french. whether it was in the heat of the argument or whatever, i was wrong to say it.



those are not examples. give situations with players in the game.



bitter much?

and yes, you hit the nail on the head. we have never played attacking football.....ever.

no i'm not bitter after all in our last peak we took you out of the WC and then out of EURO 2000, i never liked our NT under Domenech, and yeah keep hiding your "bitterness" behind , but it's the truth. Italy has never been known for playing attacking football, and after watching your "amazing" displays of "attacking" football throughout the years i've come to accept that you are good at your trade which is defending and counter attacking, hence the results. But it's really lame to try and make the spaniards not feel relieved and celebrate beating the world champions Italy on PK's something Italy had been pushing for since kick off. yeah attacking football cock and balls.

Edit: african midfield, that was really rude. don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house (Camoranesi)

 

[OrgulloVikingo]

your right yoss, i apologize. just a poke at the french. whether it was in the heat of the argument or whatever, i was wrong to say it.



those are not examples. give situations with players in the game.



bitter much?

and yes, you hit the nail on the head. we have never played attacking football.....ever.

Mate, did you not see the game? The ref was facking terrible. Terrible! Im sure you heard this somewhere. Perhaps you should watch more football to understand. I don't know what to tell you. If you need me towalk you through the match then you are hopeless. Ref was a piece of ****e, end of story!

 

[Zakov]

Mate, did you not see the game? The ref was facking terrible. Terrible! Im sure you heard this somewhere. Perhaps you should watch more football to understand. I don't know what to tell you. If you need me towalk you through the match then you are hopeless. Ref was a piece of ****e, end of story!

ref was dodgy but not as dodgy as most refs,
e.g - in the Premiership......
maybe in your point of view as a Spanish supporter but I don't think the refereeing was as bad as you say..........

lets just move on to Russia shall we.....

 

[Sevillista]

I think OrgulloVikingo isn't allowed to judge refereeing anymore. He once complained that the refs let Sevilla get away with too much in a match where Madrid broke one players' nose, another players cheekbone (out for four weeks), grabbed another player by the neck, and commited a penalty, all without discipline.

 

[KingPaulV]

oh yeah you mean that match were Sevilla kicked Guti into an injury that last till just before the Clasico....yup i remember that game....

 

[Yossarian]

was anyone else missing someone of Totti's calibre?