Spain proposes 2013 Champions World Cup!!!

[Galaxyman]

Question? Did Uruguay win the World Cup before Columbus landed in America?? It sure seems like it.

I sure as hell don't wanna see cheaters like Suarez playing such tournament. But whatever.

I never understood when i meet the rare american who wanted Ghana to win. They usually are the ones who didn't see Ghana roll around for 23 minutes after they scored the winner vs. the US.

But here you go lad . It really pleases me to see people still crying in their room about this , as I'm sure it does to the Uruguayans haha

 

[vitu]

I never understood when i meet the rare american who wanted Ghana to win. They usually are the ones who didn't see Ghana roll around for 23 minutes after they scored the winner vs. the US.

But here you go lad . It really pleases me to see people still crying in their room about this , as I'm sure it does to the Uruguayans haha
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Un-sportsmanship is like stealing. Regardless of the situation and the excuses it is still WRONG. But what would somebody from a third world country like you understand about this?? Go back to your cheating country you mule.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

hahaha, condescension once again ... you know, if I didn't pursue a career in sports, it was because my intellect wouldn't allow me to not pursue several serious academic pursuits ... and I hope you recollect a PM I sent you a while back about my working experience in the world of football during the year I took off from school ... so don't sit there thinking you're the guy with the player's angle, talking to some armchair supporter who has no idea of "how it really is" ...

your counterpoint about Argentina misses the point made in my previous post:the Argentinians are free to think whatever they want about 1978, just as the Uruguayans can think whatever they want about that handball in 2010, as is their respective prerogatives ...

we can all watch the entire 1978 World Cup from archive footage of full match broadcasts (quite accessible through the magic of the internet), and make our own minds up on the style (or lack thereof) of play ... we don't have to depend on the Argentinians providing an "accurate" portrayal of Argentina's triumphant tournament ...

the 70s are most famous for the Dutch team that DIDN'T win anything -- the team that revolutionized football through a philosophy, not just winning ... their story and their impact wasn't forgotten just coz they didn't end up picking up the cup -- boy was it not forgotten! yet here you are arguing that "anyone" would tell you that it's all about winning ... your argument/counterargument falls to crap on that point alone ... while your Cruyff "pollutes" line is laughably pitiful ... but what else did I expect from a philistine?

I'm not necessarily calling you an armchair academic, I'm calling your attitude the attitude of those people and the polar opposite of professional athletes. People sure have fond memories of barefoot NFL kickers who provided hours of entertainment, but they were phased out because it hurt accuracy (i.e. winning). If you can entertain and certainly win, then go ahead an entertain, but the top priority is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS the result. First and foremost. I feel like what I'm saying is advocating some kind of German attitude which you find so objectionable, but perhaps it is better called the Brazil philosophy. See, Brazil had a team in 1982 that was considered one of the best ever. Everyone in 1982 was delighted with the play of Brazil and considered them the best team at the tournament. Even though they didn't win, their legacy is much greater and better than that of the Italian team who actually won the tournament. But you know who doesn't think like this? Brazilians. Sure they have some fond memories, but that team lost and it will never be forgotten. Maybe the 2002 team or the 1994 team wasn't as good, but they won, and that's the MOST IMPORTANT PART. The Italians were at the peak of a very defensive minded il gioco all'Italiana phase (not very attractive), but in Brazil they are respected as the better team.

Your point about "how Argentina wants us to think of 1978" missed the mark so badly it's a wonder you actually have these academic degrees. I was comparing the joy and ecstasy of a nation in Argentina with the dispair and pain for the entire nation of the Netherlands. One team leaves a lasting mark on the sport and one team wins... so why are the Dutch so distraught and why did Argentina pursue a more negative game plan when they certainly had the players to be entertaining? Because... wait for it... sports is about winning.

Johnny Rep: Not every year, but Ajax is a club where the boys played football with style.

Interviewer: Is that more important than winning?

Rep: Winning is always important.

I: Because now people like Co Adriaanse and Foppe de Haan say that the only important thing is to play beautiful football.

Rep: Well, they are crazy. But I don't think they really mean it.

Brilliant Orange is packed full of quotes like this.

 

[Galaxyman]

Un-sportsmanship is like stealing. Regardless of the situation and the excuses it is still WRONG. But what would somebody from a third world country like you understand about this?? Go back to your cheating country you mule.

I'm Scottish and live in Canada

You shouldn't look at things so subjectively. You seem to want to dictate what's right and wrong, but for some reason seem to conveniently forget that what the Ghanaian player did seconds before was much worse.
If you tell me now, that you wouldn't do what Luis did for the United States......then you have no business on this forum, and should forever stop watching this sport altogether.


ps- Best line, Frank Farina *ex Australian manager (on Suarez issue). "If that was Cheating, then it was the first time in the history of the game where cheating was the right thing to do". That play really changed the game forever, and believe it or not, millions upon millions were thrilled by what became maybe the most exciting moment in modern football history.

 

[Galaxyman]

though I get you mate.
I think sometimes I may be forgetting how angry I'd be. Here comes Ghana:, a physically superior team, in front of 90,000 passionate fans, with FIFA and the referries on their side, ready for the party of the century. Unfortunately they met with the 1 nation legendary for putting out parties over and over again , went in with a humble attitude, the best yellow card record in the world cup, and nothing but the heart and mystique that has defined them as one of the greatest football nations of all time. ............not only do they do it so miraculously, but chipping it as they did .........wow, If I was Ghanaian I wouldn't get over this for another 50 years.

 

[Galaxyman]

I'm not necessarily calling you an armchair academic, I'm calling your attitude the attitude of those people and the polar opposite of professional athletes. People sure have fond memories of barefoot NFL kickers who provided hours of entertainment, but they were phased out because it hurt accuracy (i.e. winning). If you can entertain and certainly win, then go ahead an entertain, but the top priority is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS the result. First and foremost. I feel like what I'm saying is advocating some kind of German attitude which you find so objectionable, but perhaps it is better called the Brazil philosophy. See, Brazil had a team in 1982 that was considered one of the best ever. Everyone in 1982 was delighted with the play of Brazil and considered them the best team at the tournament. Even though they didn't win, their legacy is much greater and better than that of the Italian team who actually won the tournament. But you know who doesn't think like this? Brazilians. Sure they have some fond memories, but that team lost and it will never be forgotten. Maybe the 2002 team or the 1994 team wasn't as good, but they won, and that's the MOST IMPORTANT PART. The Italians were at the peak of a very defensive minded il gioco all'Italiana phase (not very attractive), but in Brazil they are respected as the better team.

Your point about "how Argentina wants us to think of 1978" missed the mark so badly it's a wonder you actually have these academic degrees. I was comparing the joy and ecstasy of a nation in Argentina with the dispair and pain for the entire nation of the Netherlands. One team leaves a lasting mark on the sport and one team wins... so why are the Dutch so distraught and why did Argentina pursue a more negative game plan when they certainly had the players to be entertaining? Because... wait for it... sports is about winning.



Brilliant Orange is packed full of quotes like this.

ShiftyPowers, I agree with your points BUT I think you're portraying Uruguay as the "win at all costs" team, when in reality they weren't. In fact, they played some of the cleanest football in the world cup (opposite of what they've been doing for 30 years now), and their 1 "incident" was an instinctive act of desperation the 100% of (sane) people worldwide would have done.

 

[Galaxyman]

About Xifio, he strikes me as one of the most arrogant, unlikable people I have ever had the misfortune of reading on a forum. The downfall of intelligence has always been arrogance. However, the truly great ones aren't so insecure that they need to type 6 syllable words and put others down by pronouncing their greatness/degrees. You might have an education, and a reasonable amount of intellect, but you have no class, humility or respect for others.

(Del Bosque on Zidane: "He's the quietest one in the dressing room. Why? He knows he's great. Then you have the loud ones...")

 

[ShiftyPowers]

You are such an insufferable faggot.

 

[Galaxyman]

You are such an insufferable faggot.

I rest my case ,and Shifty*ereitz I was defending your argument. lol

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Maybe I should start using the quote feature more. I didn't see your previous 2 posts. There's a reason why double posting isn't allowed on most forums. In your unparalleled faggotry you quadruple posted.

 

[Mandieta6]

I highly doubt any brand of entertaining football would have ever made a lasting impression on footie in the manner that Total Football did, if it wasn't effective. Sure, they lost in '74 and '78, but they also reached the finals, and Ajax were very successful with it. If the guys masterminding it ever thought it wouldn't bring them success, they wouldn't have bothered with it.

The aim of any sport is to win.

 

[Xifio]

I highly doubt any brand of entertaining football would have ever made a lasting impression on footie in the manner that Total Football did, if it wasn't effective. Sure, they lost in '74 and '78, but they also reached the finals, and Ajax were very successful with it. If the guys masterminding it ever thought it wouldn't bring them success, they wouldn't have bothered with it.

The aim of any sport is to win.

I'll start of by saying that I agree with your post completely here ...

I'm not necessarily calling you an armchair academic, I'm calling your attitude the attitude of those people and the polar opposite of professional athletes. People sure have fond memories of barefoot NFL kickers who provided hours of entertainment, but they were phased out because it hurt accuracy (i.e. winning). If you can entertain and certainly win, then go ahead an entertain, but the top priority is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS the result. First and foremost. I feel like what I'm saying is advocating some kind of German attitude which you find so objectionable, but perhaps it is better called the Brazil philosophy. See, Brazil had a team in 1982 that was considered one of the best ever. Everyone in 1982 was delighted with the play of Brazil and considered them the best team at the tournament. Even though they didn't win, their legacy is much greater and better than that of the Italian team who actually won the tournament. But you know who doesn't think like this? Brazilians. Sure they have some fond memories, but that team lost and it will never be forgotten. Maybe the 2002 team or the 1994 team wasn't as good, but they won, and that's the MOST IMPORTANT PART. The Italians were at the peak of a very defensive minded il gioco all'Italiana phase (not very attractive), but in Brazil they are respected as the better team.

Your point about "how Argentina wants us to think of 1978" missed the mark so badly it's a wonder you actually have these academic degrees. I was comparing the joy and ecstasy of a nation in Argentina with the dispair and pain for the entire nation of the Netherlands. One team leaves a lasting mark on the sport and one team wins... so why are the Dutch so distraught and why did Argentina pursue a more negative game plan when they certainly had the players to be entertaining? Because... wait for it... sports is about winning.

Johnny Rep: Not every year, but Ajax is a club where the boys played football with style.

Interviewer: Is that more important than winning?

Rep: Winning is always important.

I: Because now people like Co Adriaanse and Foppe de Haan say that the only important thing is to play beautiful football.

Rep: Well, they are crazy. But I don't think they really mean it.

Brilliant Orange is packed full of quotes like this.

Shifty, Eyal's post is what I was originally getting at, before the whole "history remembers" thing -- which, admittedly, I brought up -- distracted from the original arguments ...

your perspective: winning is the most important
my perspective: winning without style, or style without winning, is meaningless

there is a clear common area there, and of course the idea of beauty being in the eye of the beholder will come up to question my perspective ...

when I said the Dutch didn't win, I meant didn't win the tournament ... in other words, I portrayed some would see the tournament winners as the winners, and the rest of the story as just the details ...

and I'm sure there was a lot of heartache there for the Dutch ... just like there was ecstasy for the winners (Germany and Argentina) ... I still think I didn't need to explicitly acknowledge the nationalistic perspective, but there it is ...

I'm saying that, based on the idea that football is about entertainment for me, I would only celebrate a win if I was entertained, and only truly appreciate the entertainment if it leads to a win; that's all ...

I think this is easier established with club football, because the nationalism that engulfs international events understandably supersedes any other criteria for so many people ...

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Well there is where we differ. If I'm on the field and part of a team that wills itself to victory by parking the bus and defeating a much better team, I would celebrate it. Maybe you don't think a win that way is worth celebrating. I don't know.

 

[itsbeenpickedup]

Interesting debate. I think ShiftyPowers and Mandieta6 are right. I used to think that style and skill were everything and even set up a 6 a side team with my friends based on that idea. Then we started losing to teams we could have beaten and it felt ****. We changed to be more defensive and organised, and won the league despite not having the most talented squad. Other teams would even bitch about how defensive we were, but what should you do? Let them win?

It is a physical, competitive sport with a clearly defined objective. Style is admirable but it can never be satisfying if it costs you a win. Of course ideally you can be talented enough to win with style, and naturally it is especially infuriating to see teams play negatively when they lose anyway and would stand a better chance by playing more positively (of which there have been many examples).

 

[Xifio]

Well there is where we differ. If I'm on the field and part of a team that wills itself to victory by parking the bus and defeating a much better team, I would celebrate it. Maybe you don't think a win that way is worth celebrating. I don't know.

I can appreciate the effort that went into such a win, but I wouldn't celebrate it ...