Should EA Add Diving in Fifa 09?

[f_s_s_salnave]

First off, I want to say that I am very satisfied with Fifa 08. It's so far the best footie game I've played, and I've played PES and Fifa for a few years, and I've even tried football management games. I did not buy PES this year and I am jumping straight from Fifa 06, so it was easy to see the improvements in a two years time, but Fifa 08, and that's just my opinion, has stepped up their gameplay remarkably. Players now move more realistically, and in terms of actions that your players can do on the pitch (types of shots, set-pieces, pks, tricks, etc.), Fifa is at least on a par with PES, except for diving. I'm not saying that diving was huge in PES; in fact, as far as I've heard, it wasn't. It has but the slightest effect on the game, and your chances of getting away with a dive are so bad that gamers rather not use it. So it's quite obvious that Konami have taken the safe route in implementing a dive feature, and succeeded with flying colors in avoiding its abuse.

But that's not how it is in real life. Obviously not all players dive, but diving is so common place that it creates controversy and a desire for gamers to want its inclusion in video games. To this point, I have found Fifa 08 to be almost flawless in terms of gameplay--and that's only from my experience on the PS2, which is by all means a watered down version of the next gen ones--except for the amount of fouls per game. That low number would be welcome if it weren't for those ruthless challenges that are in the game. I don't think I only speak for myself when I say that challenges are nothing short of brutal in Fifa 08, especially on World Class where I can come in hard on a player several times in a short space of time without fear of being whistled. It may be a good thing that challenges be very physical, but still I believe there could be more fouls. That would allow for more freekick opportunities and different levels of referee strictness from referees who like to keep the game flowing to those who whistle every niggly foul, as well as improve the overall gameplay.

Diving, as I see it, is not only deliberately going down with no contact whatsoever but also not keeping your ground after the slightest contact to sway the referee into giving you a freekick. In addition to going down rather easily, it is not uncommon to see players make a meal of challenges to the same end. I believe that Fifa could make up for the current shortage of fouls with a dive feature. In fact, it seems like a welcome feature that would fit in perfectly. Playing 10 mins games on "Fast" gameplay, you should be able to have match-like statistics. Fifa can learn from PES by adding the dive feature, which extends to going down after being clipped or faking an injury, but while Fifa should not let diving destroy the gameplay, they should work hard to give it it's actual impact in the game so as to tempt even the most honnest of us.

Please vote whether you believe EA should add diving, and do leave a comment explaining your opinion.

 

[Styphelus]

NO DIVING!

Diving is a bad side of the sport and it doesn't need to be in the game. It just promotes cheating. I'm sure the Italians would like to have it in the game but I don't think anyone else would like that.

The diving feature in PES is a horrible feature and it should stay with PES. Plus I don't think FIFA would allow EA to add that into the game. FIFA always promotes fair play, so to issue licenses to EA and than have a cheating feature in the game might be a no no as far as Fifa is concerned.

I for one would not like it at all.

 

[easyeasyeasy]

I voted for no, the diving bit in PES2008 is utter crap IMO.

 

[bruno167]

I think it would be a nice feature and it would make the game more realistic.
And FIFA 99 has it

 

[Ultra_Blue]

No

 

[SC Cambuur]

A 100% no, i hate diving. In real live i'm a defender and it happens to often the ref gives a free kick for such things, that makes me sick. Player who can life with that cheating don't deserve to be on a footballfield

 

[musama91]

It would be amazing. 2 footed tackles and other dirty things should also be included. After all the point of releasing a new game each year is to make it more realistic and different than the one before.

 

[SC Cambuur]

I don't think the FIFA approves games anymore with these things, i think that's why it dissapeared after Fifa'99

 

[nebulachapin]

Frankly, I am for realism. I wouldnt be against adding diving IF the ref books you for diving (i.e. only get away with it some of the time, in game. And a mandatory penalty in the form of card(s) after the match - after further review). Now thats realism!

 

[f_s_s_salnave]

Nice input guys. But do you really think Fifa supervise what EA add in their game? I don't know about that. Anyway if EA should implement it correctly and make sure blatant dives get punished, I don't see why it shouldn't be included.

 

[f_s_s_salnave]

nebulachapin, I like your last comment. I think Fifa have reached a level where they can look to add the slightest details to make the game as realistic as possible.

 

[nebulachapin]

nebulachapin, I like your last comment. I think Fifa have reached a level where they can look to add the slightest details to make the game as realistic as possible.

Thanks. I do agree with other posters here though in the sense that it is possible to go too far. Diving that is punished I think doesn't promote cheating so much as showing that most often it doesn't pay to dive (if penalizing for diving happens more often than getting away with it). On the other hand, brutal tackles should not be included. This signals intent to injure and isnt right. Besides, you can already go in hard in the game and cause players to fly in the air in dramatic fashion, and often times they are injured. So technically, you as a player have the intent to take somebody out if you want, and indeed the other player may get injured (especially if you tweak the chance of injury values in the parameter files).

 

[nebulachapin]

Back to the diving though, interestingly, EA may put diving back in for 09 because it does appear that the game event is already in place. I can't tell you how many times I have run into the box and been tripped and there was no call, in fact much more often does this happen than actually getting a pk. In any case, all EA would have to do is add another "trick" move for you to feign being taken down in the box (or anywhere on the field for that matter).

Personally, EA also needs to add hand balls in the box.

 

[f_s_s_salnave]

. . . brutal tackles should not be included. This signals intent to injure and isnt right. Besides, you can already go in hard in the game and cause players to fly in the air in dramatic fashion, and often times they are injured. So technically, you as a player have the intent to take somebody out if you want, and indeed the other player may get injured (especially if you tweak the chance of injury values in the parameter files).

Nebulachapin, do you play on PC. I think it'd be so cool to play on PC with all the editing possibilities.

Anyway, I don't think challenges are really brutal. If they are, they are not more so than in real games. It's true that injuries could do with some massive improvement. But I was really saying that my repetition of challenges was pretty reckless and unpunished. By all means, I was using the proper method of applying pressure in Fifa, but the CPU level and my zeal to get the ball should have had a different result. I do not want to concede fouls against the CPU--in fact, who does? . . . All I'm saying is that their could be more fouls in the game.

 

[f_s_s_salnave]

I'm all for what you just said.

 

[Ultra_Blue]

As I said in one review I made FIFA is pure football !

 

[f_s_s_salnave]

Where can I find that review?

 

[nebulachapin]

Nebulachapin, do you play on PC. I think it'd be so cool to play on PC with all the editing possibilities.

Anyway, I don't think challenges are really brutal. If they are, they are not more so than in real games. It's true that injuries could do with some massive improvement. But I was really saying that my repetition of challenges was pretty reckless and unpunished. By all means, I was using the proper method of applying pressure in Fifa, but the CPU level and my zeal to get the ball should have had a different result. I do not want to concede fouls against the CPU--in fact, who does? . . . All I'm saying is that their could be more fouls in the game.

Yes, I play on PC, so I try to maximize the difficulty. I play on legendary, and am always tinkering with the parameter files. Fouls is a BIG subject for me. I have been trying to have more of them. I have met with some success, but the problem is that the parameter value ranges are not given, and also just how the parameters are utilized. In many cases, I am sure there are equations that utilize a combination of the parameters, and these, for example, dictate whether a fould occurs or not.

 

[f_s_s_salnave]

I see. So that makes it harder to change foul frequency. It's so cool to play on PC. Do you play on "fast" and for 10 mins? I'm just starting to experiment with it. I'm not yet used to the speed. I actually started playing the game on slow. But I've been thinking it might be an interesting experience. Playing on "fast" gameplay allows you to do twice as much as you would do on a slower speed, and its manual controls would be faster, almost instinctive. So for my sake, I would like to normally play with these options.

Nebulachapin, I'm sure it is fun to tinker with the game codes, but us console players are not so lucky. It would be nice if EA could get it right on the first try.

 

[thelordspawn]

to make the game morr realistic yes its part of the game saly and therefore to make game more realistic add it.

add it as an option you can turn off and on.