Russian hostage debacle.....

[Dirlewanger]

Words defy me....

WTF:<

Initially we learn that '90' hostages have been killed during the firefight to free them

Now we are told that Russian special forces pumped a military nerve agent into the theatre....a nerve agent for f**ks sake....
that has now accounted for the deaths of over 100 innocent hostages and countless people in intensive care.

The ruskies are refusing to name the gas used...why??????

They are also claiming the terrorists had help from al-queda

blame bin laden and it makes it alright does it mr Putin????

Sickening:<:<

 

[zul-aid]

well this is a strange topic on both sides really

1) Russia do not want to publicise what they have which has been no different for more than 100 years: USSR didnt talk neither did the Romanovs

2) Yes the nerve agent details should have atleast been released for the doctors

3) Chechyen Rebels who were responsible for the attacks have said they are a cell for AL-Qedia whether this is true or not I dont really know. They said they had the place tied up with explosives whether that was true or not is unknown if so not one explosion gun fire was heard for hours

there will always be questions in Russia, but like all terrorists attacks there is always questions thats why those 'evil' people call them what you will use this terrorist tactic to pursuade us as citizens to think and ask questions now - except usually its not what they want us to think

 

[Sukur54]

THe Cechyen terrorists arent linked with Al Qiade i know that for sure because they more important things than following some bums who want to blow places up. The Cechyen terrorists are fighting for their freedom of their country from the Russian invasion which is still being held upon there. They are rebelling and theyre doing it pretty good too but thats not the point. Terrorism is wrong and its not good they should not do things like this but i think the ONLY person to blame here is PUTIN because he didnt want to give into the terorists demands so he rather kill 90 hostages what a dumb piece of ****. Just because theyre Cechyens he didnt want to give into their demands and rather kill 90 innocent lives this here my friend is a massacre. And afterwards all he can say is a sorry what a loser.

 

[::shinji::]

Well, I don't think you can consider it an invasion since Chechnya is technically part of Russia is it not? Also, I have NO sympathy for the Chechyens since I've seen some footage of sadistic things they've done to innocent ethnic Russians who happened to live in the Chechnyan region...including video taping one of the rebels chopping an innocent Russian construction workers head off with an axe like you'd kill a chicken, shooting with machine guns at a family trying to escape in this junky little car, cutting a young Russian soldiers throat on camera, shooting a russian soldiers finger off who was being held for ransom (yes, ransom...freedom fighters indeed ), and sawing an elderly man's finger off with a knife and holding it up for the camera

I'm not saying the Russians are totally innocent either but let's not start portraying the Chechyens as these heroic freedom fighters..

 

[rhizome17]

I'm not saying the Russians are totally innocent either but let's not start portraying the Chechyens as these heroic freedom fighters.. [/B]

Sure but at the end of the day at least the eyes of the world are again on a conflict that has taken the lives of 80,000 people in the last 3 years alone. Something was bound to happen after the US promised Russia that they would turn a blind eye in exchange for Russias support for the War on Terror.

 

[INFESTA]

Originally posted by ::shinji::
Also, I have NO sympathy for the Chechyens since I've seen some footage of sadistic things they've done to innocent ethnic Russians who happened to live in the Chechnyan region...including video taping one of the rebels chopping an innocent Russian construction workers head off with an axe like you'd kill a chicken, shooting with machine guns at a family trying to escape in this junky little car, cutting a young Russian soldiers throat on camera, shooting a russian soldiers finger off who was being held for ransom (yes, ransom...freedom fighters indeed ), and sawing an elderly man's finger off with a knife and holding it up for the camera

You saw those too, Luis? Man, that was very disturbing. On the other hand, I'm glad I saw it - it's reality, it happens. In fact, it's happening right now. Seeing that footage made me more aware of what's going on and what they're capable of.

Oh, you just forgot to mention that they had the habit of sending hands and fingers, by mail, to the respective soldiers' families. The idea was to breed a movement organised by families, in order to stop their sons from moving into Chechnya.

 

[::shinji::]

Originally posted by INFESTA
You saw those too, Luis? Man, that was very disturbing. On the other hand, I'm glad I saw it - it's reality, it happens. In fact, it's happening right now. Seeing that footage made me more aware of what's going on and what they're capable of.

I personally wish I had never seen that footage, but unfortunately my curiosity got the better of me. I think I'm just the type of person who has to see something to believe it...and it was reality alright. The soldier being murdered and the guy with the axe in particular really disturbed me. It's been about 6 months or so since I've seen all that and to be honest, it still screws me up a bit when I image it...

I do agree with what you said about awareness. I don't think a lot of people would be so quick to support a war if they saw the dirty aspects of it, not just what CNN filters for us on tv.

 

[JTNY]

That is crap. If Saddam Hussein, were to do the same, kill 100 hostages (accidently or not) with a biological/nerve agent, imagine the uproar.


It is crap, that one the topic is being censored, and there is no access to hospitals or confirmation of the substance encompassed. Oh the bad terrorists killing one person......

THE BAD government killing 100 times the amount of people. THEY GOT OFF without question from the international community.
Sure, the terrorists may have killed more, but forces could have used another chemical, even tear gas, any other means to not have so many die.


The Chechyns......... Russians won't grant independence, I mean all the other former Soviet countries, they left them to die. What is in Chechnya that the Russians want?

There is always conflict in that region (Chechnya/Groznyy)......

 

[Dirlewanger]

Originally posted by Juventus_theres_next_year
That is crap. If Saddam Hussein, were to do the same, kill 100 hostages (accidently or not) with a biological/nerve agent, imagine the uproar.

Yeah...double standards for a ' democratic' ally:<

 

[Sukur54]

Originally posted by ::shinji::
Well, I don't think you can consider it an invasion since Chechnya is technically part of Russia is it not? Also, I have NO sympathy for the Chechyens since I've seen some footage of sadistic things they've done to innocent ethnic Russians who happened to live in the Chechnyan region...including video taping one of the rebels chopping an innocent Russian construction workers head off with an axe like you'd kill a chicken, shooting with machine guns at a family trying to escape in this junky little car, cutting a young Russian soldiers throat on camera, shooting a russian soldiers finger off who was being held for ransom (yes, ransom...freedom fighters indeed ), and sawing an elderly man's finger off with a knife and holding it up for the camera

I'm not saying the Russians are totally innocent either but let's not start portraying the Chechyens as these heroic freedom fighters..

im not defending them either chill out, what i was saying is that they are fighting for their freedom because this is the only way they could do it sort of like palestine now im not defending them buttt also i dont think you have seen any of the things the russians have done its on turkish papers all the time. the people in cechenya eat GRASS yes GRASS in Ramadan when theyre fasting. theyre hungry and poor and innocent people there. every country has terorrists and the footages youve seen are from terrorists. the russians are killing,raping,and who knows what else to innocent people in cechenya. and no its not a part of russia but it was at the end of WWII after that they became free. why am i saying all this? because you are kind of steroetyping them to all of them being terorists when you only saw footages of only 1 group of people.

 

[::shinji::]

Don't put words in my mouth, I didn't stereotype them anymore than you're stereotyping Russians as being evil overlords. I was merely speaking in regards to the parties involved and pointing out the fact that in situations like this (as in the Israel-Palestinian situation) neither side is innocent and there's no "good guys vs. bad guys"

 

[Sukur54]

Originally posted by ::shinji::
Don't put words in my mouth, I didn't stereotype them anymore than you're stereotyping Russians as being evil overlords. I was merely speaking in regards to the parties involved and pointing out the fact that in situations like this (as in the Israel-Palestinian situation) neither side is innocent and there's no "good guys vs. bad guys"

im not stereotyping anyone the people that im talking about is the russian army i didnt say every russian is a evil overlord i was talking about their leader, Putin. but the one youre talking about is cechyan terorrists which are not part of their army. they dont even have a army i think. anyway the point is that what the cechen terorrists are doing is wrong but also the way that russian army is treating those poor cechenyans is also bad. those poor people are dying from hunger there and instead of helping the innocent they kill them? wheres the justice? i repeat again i am againts the acts the cechenyans do but if they fight a regular war for their freedom there is no way of fighting dont care because war is againts two willing sides to die not innocent people.