Thanks lads, Shez, when i first tried these games i didn't think much of them, i was like many more guys who only thought that the EA Fifa series was all there was out there.. the main problem that i noticed was that they were very slow to load due to only doing a minimal install, i fixed this by copying the contents of the cd onto the hardive after installing the games and then applying a no cd patch, now everything runs as smooth as silk from the hard drive,'no more streaming from the cd', i don't find the games to be buggy in any way at all, i have played them for hours on end without any problems, the control system is spot on once that you have memorised the button combo's .. what i like about them is the way that you can challenge for the ball from any sort of angle after you have moved your tackling\pressure player into a good position, i don't have any problems defending from corners, the one two short passes work a treat, you have the options of realistic or double aftertouch ball control, arcade or simulation modes, a realistic game speed, along with more intelligent player support, the replay options are excellent in regard to being able to select any player or official as the camera view, 'eye view too', 5 different optional zoom\distance modes in any camera views, there are heaps of stadiums in the game that you can choose from, the offside calls are spot on and are always rerun from the touchline view, the pitch and weather modes are very good too, these are football games that you have to work out and get used to before you really see what they have to offer, the way that i enjoy and play the game is to use the side view on full height and distance, this way you can see most of the pitch and where the players are moving, the graphics look better from this distance and the display is really tight .. SCTW, yes mate i have noticed that you are another player who is always searching for the perfect football game and have a very acute eye for features and realism in the football games and like many more of us who use this forum hate to accept anything less..and thanks again for your replies, it's always good to thrash out the pro's and cons of these games .. and just for reference here are my personel top 5 Pc football games ..
1:> Uefa Champions League Season 1999\2000
2:> Premier All Stars 2001
3:> Road to the World Cup
4:> Uefa Champions League Season 1998\1999
5:> Fifa 99 ..'Hardcase Football'
The premier football game at the moment looks like it is UEFA Challenge, but untill we see what the patch has corrected the final judgement will have to be reserved for a short while...Ned
