New FIFA 2005 preview from GameSpot -things sound good!

[valioso]

quoteriginally posted by valioso
and no one is saying fifa is going to suck or that pes is better.. so I think you may want to apply your grandpa's phrase to yourself.



Yes he did. Go back and read the thesis on page one. And my grandpa's phrase certainly fits... but not to me, I'm not claiming anything will be good or bad.

so you quoted me saying "yes he did and read back to page one" so what am I suppose to read on page one.

 

[dipbhattacharya]

well guys.........plz listen........I think the "One-touch" was present
on FifaWc2002........there u can flick the ball with haed or leg
with a power bar......without controlling............

Any one with a little bit of memory should remember
these..............

and.....u can trust a hungry wolf.......but not EA.

 

[Mel Brennan]

BACKGROUND

Originally posted by shpankey
Actually, he said "and no one is saying fifa is going to suck or that pes is better.. so I think you may want to apply your grandpa's phrase to yourself."

Which is what I was replying to.

I cannot believe I earned my DD-214 for slack-jawed prokaryotics like you. You are, definitively, what I am forced to hear about everywhere I go in this world; and, like a fool, I keep saying "Americans aren't like that, we aren't like that!" Apparently, these folks must all go right to your hometown, and return to places known and unknown and say "MAN! Americans..."

Bottom line it for us, Maynard:

(1) Might the fact that EA's promotion and marketing engine continues to tell us things that the concomitant games fail to provide provide us with reasonable insights into what future games - and their accompanying claims, might mean?

(2) Might it in fact be true that each nad every one of these previews take place among EA Canada/EA Marketing personnel, all armed with media packs from which the vast majority of preview content is drawn, like every other major game launch on the ****ng planet?

(3) Might game previews in general, hype as arule, and large corporate hype from corporate gaming entities be part of the overall strategy of these magazines, websites, etc. to keep themselves relevant? Or do you think that the mags and sites would make oney by telling us the truth; that 95% of what's produced in the industry is crap you'll have on your drive (or in your console) for less than ten days, that the industry is modeled in such a way as to force the production of such feculence in order to lift the rarefied %5 o their shoulders, giving us what we in fact deserve by a process that's just as much stumble-bum luck (Tetris) as it is rigourous, creative thought (Half-Life)?

(4) I've been in game development with Sega GameWorks (opening gaming venues for them in Dallas/Grapevine, Ontario CA, and South Maimi FL), The Walt Disney Company (ESPNZone, opening venues in New York City/Times Square and Washington D.C. while also honing game development and flow concepts in the original Baltimore unit), and was also GM of Games and Attractions Development for WWF New York (and the now defunct concept of WWF Las Vegas). At those venues I worked with companies like Hyperware, Namco, Midway, SEGA (of course), and systems engineers like Clair Bros, SOUNDELUX and Iguana systems to create attractions like "Vertical Reality," and many many others, while providing for the development of console-based gaming to augment the attractions, all pre X-Box...

After that, I became Head oF Special Projects for the Confederation of North, Central American, and Caribbean Association Football, CONCACAF for short. As you're an idiot who also happens to share my citizenship, CONCACAF is the (realtively failed) version of UEFA; there are six confederations of FIFA, one for each continent where there is football played on a regular basis. There I became a lead member of the e-FIFA program, a CONCACAF delegate to the 2002 World Cup, and intimate with ISL (the original license manager for FIFA endeavours) and the newly-launched FIFA Marketing AG. I've SEEN yearly license contracts between ISL and Electronic Arts, mooncalf. Unlike you, I've taken the time to actually read EA's Annual Reports...I know Stu Cristal, who licenses MLS to EA for the FIFA series...After discovering that CONCACAF's leadership was as committed to the development of football in our region as you are to authentic knowlege regarding gaming and gaming development, I left to pursue this PhD in SPorts Studies at the Univ. of Stirling, here in the Kingdom, while also writing a book about the whole time, curretnly entitled POLITICAL ANIMALS: 30 months among the heroes and villians of world football.

I said all that to say that probably more than anyone here, I can speak to both notions of authentic football gaming in terms of both development and licensing and the actual competitions.

All that, coupled with the very easily knowable, searchable, Google-able, info regarding EA's history, simply has lead me to submit that (1) their claims, and the claims of their friends in the magazine industry, are less than worthless, and (2) that they DESERVE healthy skepticism.

For you to submit anything else means that you are looking at the facts of the evidence that's in front of you, and reacting to it in relation to an entirely different stimulus than myself. And that's okay; looking at your resultant posts, I can see how you and I might have a different chromosome or two.

Just don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about; if I don't know than you are, informationally-speaking, breaking nuts with stones and still hoping to discover fire. Iggy.

Now let's keep the conversation above the Cro-Magnon level, shall we?

 

[dipbhattacharya]

Originally posted by shpankey

The only people counting chickens before they hatch is the haters. Who were trying to convince everyone in here the game would suck., even though they haven't played it.

Lol........still need to convience anyone about EA?


I just hope this time include different shape of "Teeth" for
different type of players.........
Oh boy ......that will be fantastic........and very realistic!!!!!!!!!!

what u say ?

 

[shpankey]

This thread is hopeless. It seems although everyone in here is speaking English, a few of them don't understand it.

Jihi No Kokoro goes on another tirade, most of it casting out insults, the other half of his diatribe of tripe is just bragging about how he knows more than anyone else because of his credentials. None of it making a lick of sense in context because it's all opinion, and matters are even more confusing because it's all speculative opinion on an unreleased game. But argue away... you're right, you have to be, I mean, look at your credentials! ::

Gora Athletic can't even figure out what he is supposed to read, even though it's been bolded for him 3 times and just looks confused.

I don't even think they know what they're arguing about at this point. They just know they don't like FIFA05 and I am their enemy because I'm not saying it will suck too. You know, because I haven't played it and all... I will reserve whether it will "suck" or not for later, after I play it and see for myself.

 

[Davilton]

Re: BACKGROUND

Originally posted by Mel Brennan

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Now he's added another forum contributor to his ever expanding 'ignore list'. We've got some Ivy League/Oxbridge debating types on here tonight then! "If I don't agree with your comments, I'll add you to my filter list." I wonder how many people are on his list...?

Another lengthy essay from the Mr. fanatic, eh? I wonder whether his works contain subliminal messages, don't buy FIFA I really don't know...

 

[shpankey]

:lol

 

[Ny8La8]

so you correcting MY "grammatical" error is just as useless, "obtuse and predictable" (like you said) as me correcting yours judging from your logic. in that case, you shouldnt have corrected mine,,,,

two wrongs dont make a right.

Be logical when addressing me buddy.

 

[Mel Brennan]

!

logic?

(1) shpankey - preview article = things sound good re: FIFA 2005
(2) Mel - Here's the near-entire recent history of the series that says said article means less than nothing
(3) shpankey - you're selling PES!
(4) shpankey - you don't know what you're talking about
(5) Mel - Well, no; in addition to the evidence re: EA hype that you can easily access, I've worked in both world football and in the gaming industry.
-6 shpankey - This thread's hopeless, everyone else should ignore history in order to repeat it, and I define the context, even if that definition steps outsdie my original assertion.

That's a uni class in logic there, man...logical fallacies; there's non sequiteur, post hoc ergo propter hoc, appeals to pity fallacies, popularity fallacies, style over substance fallacies.,..hell, I could teach on the fundamental s of inductive, causal, and syllogistic fallacies of logic using a couple of humps who've posted in this thread alone...lmmfao!

 

[Davilton]

Originally posted by Mel Brennan
logic?

(1) shpankey - preview article = things sound good re: FIFA 2005
(2) Mel - Here's the near-entire recent history of the series that says said article means less than nothing
(3) shpankey - you're sellig PES!
(4) shpankey - you don't knnow what you're talking about
(5) Mel - Well, no; in addition to the evidence re: EA hype that you can easily access, I've worked in both world football and in the gaming industry.
-6 shpankey - This thread hopeless, everyone else should ignore history in order to repeat it, and I define the context, even if that definition steps outsdie my original assertion.

That's a uni class in logic there, man...logical fallacies; there's non sequiteur, post hoc ergo propter hoc, appeals to pity fallacies, popularity fallacies, style over substance fallacies.,..hell, I could teach on the fundamental s of inductive, causal, and syllogistic fallacies of logic using a couple of humps who've posted in this thread alone...lmmfao!

Someone's swallowed a thesaurus I see. Let's see him score well at a Culture Fair IQ test, administered by MENSA. What a pretentious charlatan.

 

[shpankey]

Originally posted by Ny8La8
so you correcting MY "grammatical" error is just as useless, "obtuse and predictable" (like you said) as me correcting yours judging from your logic. in that case, you shouldnt have corrected mine,,,,

two wrongs dont make a right.

Be logical when addressing me buddy.

My gosh, so dense. I wasn't correcting your grammar as much as making a POINT about how useless it is to do so. I was using irony on you.... If you are going to go around correcting someone's grammar, at least have good grammar yourself smart guy.

Jihi, just give up already. Nobody is buying your being "smart" when you're the one having to say it... over and over and over. Nobody is impressed. And frankly, you look like a dufus sitting there trying to convince everyone lol. The fact that you entirely missed the points in here kind of proves you're not that bright, your last post shows you have misinterpreted almost everything in this thread.

And before you waste our time again, sitting there and trying to think of some new kind of attack to post is not going to make you any more right or make you look any less stupid than you already do. But by all means, if it'll help you sleep at night, keep telling us how amazing you are. lol

 

[Ny8La8]

Originally posted by Mel Brennan
logic?

(1) shpankey - preview article = things sound good re: FIFA 2005
(2) Mel - Here's the near-entire recent history of the series that says said article means less than nothing
(3) shpankey - you're selling PES!
(4) shpankey - you don't know what you're talking about
(5) Mel - Well, no; in addition to the evidence re: EA hype that you can easily access, I've worked in both world football and in the gaming industry.
-6 shpankey - This thread's hopeless, everyone else should ignore history in order to repeat it, and I define the context, even if that definition steps outsdie my original assertion.

That's a uni class in logic there, man...logical fallacies; there's non sequiteur, post hoc ergo propter hoc, appeals to pity fallacies, popularity fallacies, style over substance fallacies.,..hell, I could teach on the fundamental s of inductive, causal, and syllogistic fallacies of logic using a couple of humps who've posted in this thread alone...lmmfao![

lmaooo ,, that is gold!

 

[Bummy_JaB]

LOL we can't even critique any fifa games without being called a "fanboy" of other football games. The guy who wrote that long ass thesis on page 1 only talks about FIFA and no other game.

 

[Davilton]

Originally posted by Bummy_JaB
LOL we can't even critique any fifa games without being called a "fanboy" of other football games. The guy who wrote that long ass thesis on page 1 only talks about FIFA and no other game.

Yeah, but everywhere else he takes the opportunity to promote the PES series- you'd think Konami had him on their books! I don't care if people think FIFA's crap... horses for courses. He's absolutely obsessed in his crusade against FIFA, trying to convert as many 'lost souls' as possible. Come on, there's no need to write so many epic theses to condemn EA's FIFA section...

I'd be surprised if the guy didn't have arthritis.

 

[shpankey]

Originally posted by Bummy_JaB
LOL we can't even critique any fifa games without being called a "fanboy" of other football games. The guy who wrote that long ass thesis on page 1 only talks about FIFA and no other game.

You can if you want... nobody is stopping anyone from doing anything. But how are you going to "critique" a game that's not even out yet (FIFA 05)????

 

[Ny8La8]

^^^^^ experience my friend,, if you were here last year (and the year before that as ive heard from the vets on this board), you would realize that there in fact IS truth in what the "fanboyz" (a loosely used term) are saying. but anyway, once someone has his/her mind set on something, it's hard to convince them otherwise.

(btw, if it'll mean anything, this is coming from a person who used to only play FIFA games)

Carry on,,,

 

[Mel Brennan]

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis, in the end analysis, is just a word. So is "fanboy." Now, I haven't been a boy in a long time, so maybe it'd better to call my ilk "fanmen," but I'm not offended by that time-wasting, "I have no authentic counter to your established argument" moniker.

Hell, call me a monkey******* whore-chasing alien unisexual circus retard for all I care...as long as you counter the argument.

But, again, the logic of the above, by the two "friends," (or are they sockpuppets??? Hmmmm...) is funny, maybe too funny to ignore. Just think about it; the very FIRST post refutes it, i.e., questioning the advocation for critique not of the actual game of FIFA 2005 (although that's how it's spun), but rather the hype and development process history, when we haven't played it, right? Yet the very first post that launches this thread indirectly ADVOCATES for FIFA 2005, through that hype engine, without ever having played it.

That's why I blasted on that position, b/c it's not only AS ludicrous as me saying FIFA 2005 in fact sucks as a game without having played it, but it's a WORSE, LESS tenable position, given the REALITY of the HISTORY of the series and the corporation behind it, PARTICULARLY given the fact that ENTIRELY different approaches to development have taken place with other "brands."

I don't compare FIFA as much to PES in terms of development as I do with other games under EA's OWN umbrella. Take the same look I did at FIFA's history of hype amounting to failed offerings (aside: quiz...how many years did FIFA actually TELL you that there would be the ability to chest the ball, when there IN FACT was no ability to do at all?), and compare it with Tiburon/MADDEN development, then take a look at Madden 2004's feature list and Madden 2005's feature list.

This is how a game develops when the world believes in your gameplay. If I didn't have EA Canada's horrible development history IN FRONT OF ME, if I didn't have EA's bull**** marketing of their porduct regardless of relative gameplay quality IN FRONT OF ME, I might hope, again, that FIFA 2005 would finally be the year that we could essentially put gameplay behind us, and focus upon the entirety of the experience, like I have, like millions have, with the Madden series (there, the shift took place years ago from gameplay, to "How can Tiburon continue to give me new experiences within the realm of gridiron such that I'll want to buy each year's iteration?).

All I'm arguing is that EA Canada and EA with regard to FIFA no longer deserve your hope. They deserve less than optimal expectation, which will lead to some kind and pleasant surprises if they acheive even that. This is not to say that EA Canada haven't put hours of work in; they have, of course. But just because you practice for hours and hours to go on the POP IDOL show doesn't mean you can actually sing.

Now, to argue that, in the face of the evidence, I'm gonna hope anyway, well, that's your opinion and option. Who cares?

But to argue I'm actually wrong in my assertions is at a minimum neurosis, and at worst psychotic; not becuase it's all about me, but rather it's about the actual facts that have been before us for years; the reason the long, illuminating post on the front page irks some so much is because that ISN'T my opinion, and it isn't even selective posting; it's painful, utterly clear reminders of the disappointment those who go back that far with the series have had, GIVEN the hype engine around the game, a hype engine which the launch of this thread was buying into, and which simply had to be refuted. Period. End of story.

Go and get that gallon of Haterade out of the fridge and down it if you want, but truth stands firm and tall, never to be blemished, or obscured, or covered up by distractions such as the employment of "fanboy." That's both less than useful, and less than useless.

 

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