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Middle East war

CapaJr

I Will Learn To Respect My Fellow Man, Even If It
Red Card
Seán Denny said:
we are the modern world, we don't fight each other, why? well we don't treat our neighbours like **** and resort to violence in the blink of an eye.
wow. did you wrote this for real? because you have just described Israel to me. is that the modernization you are so proudly supporting as a member of this 'modern' world?
i am not blaming you. honestly i dont. because you are brainswashed by your bias media. you are only seeing what your government want you to see.
and to defend myself, i am not one sided, i only support what i think is justice. i am a civilized human being just like you, and i am against violence just like you. but unlike you, i know the real reason of violence.
 

Seán D

fm prodigy
if you have ever read any of my opinions on this topic, i am dead against israel. they are bullys and if the usa were not behind them would be disowned by the international community. all the same there are 2 sides to the story, and there is blood on the hands of both groups.

biased media? thats expected, but you would be suprised of the outrage in the "modern" world over this issue.
 

The_Knight

Senior Squad
Watching American TV in Beirut
War in Lebanon has once again become breaking news on television screens across the world, but a growing body of distorted reporting is being disseminated just as rapidly as the country is being destroyed.


In recent days, many American news programmes have demonstrated an exceptionally weak knowledge of Lebanese politics, skewed further by a lack of access to areas that have been attacked in the country and their victims.

Take Monday's coverage of the conflict on NBC's popular Today Show with anchorwoman Nathalie Morales, who in introducing a report on Hezbollah, rhetorically asks: "So just who is Israel at war with in this latest chapter of an ancient conflict?"

Not only does the reporter assume that Israel's war targets only Hezbollah (and not the Lebanese civilians, government, private businesses and the military, which have all been attacked) but even contradicts earlier reports on her own network indicating Hezbollah's founding to be in the early 1980s; hardly considered "ancient" times.

Equally misleading were reports on the Today Show defining Hezbollah solely as the mastermind of the 1982 attacks on US marines and possessor of long-range missiles.

Absent in the reporting was any reference to Hezbollah's role in defeating the 22-year Israeli occupation of the country and its support among up to a million Lebanese, with many benefiting from an intricate network of social services and political representation.

Of course, failing to report such details contributes to the view that Hezbollah acts as merely a renegade organisation rather than a movement that encompasses roughly a quarter of the country's population.

On the other hand, when it comes to reporting the situation in Israel, anchors on sister network MSNBC seem to boast an intimate knowledge of the population, even a bit of psychoanalytical skill.

During his show Hardball with Chris Mathews, the host describes the Israeli town of Haifa as being similar to a city in California, "very modern, very debonair".


Anchorwoman Rita Cosby, who freely dubs Hezbollah as "rag-tag" terrorists, would later describe an attack on "Holy Nazareth" as an assault on "the home town of Jesus", and erroneously as his birthplace - of course no reference to the multitude of biblical cities in Lebanon.

On Hardball, Mathews asks a reporter on the scene how Israelis are coping with "vacation plans" considering the war situation. Mathews concludes that a resilient character among the Israeli people, will "keep that country around for a very long time".

Later in the show there is analysis with field reporters and political pundits, many blatantly supportive of Israel's fight against "terror acts" and the "worldwide Islamic threat" - still no mention of the widespread devastation and human loss in Lebanon.

Mathew’s questions include: "How do you get Hezbollah to stop? Will Israel get the job done? How broad a goal is Israel setting?" And finally: "What’s a bigger threat to the United States? Al-Qaeda or Hezbollah?"

Mathews makes reference to the plight of the Lebanese only once during his show, when a reporter raises the possibility of a "bloody mess" for Israel.

Hours later, early on Tuesday, the casualty count in Lebanon stands at around 200 as cities and towns across the country are systematically pulverised, leaving hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians trapped and unable to escape the fighting.

A massive refugee crisis looms large while the country lies in complete disarray with its arterial roadways and bridges completely destroyed. Meanwhile, around a dozen are dead in Israel, with the last large attack occurring at a train depot on Sunday.

On Tuesday, 11 Lebanese soldiers are killed and a handful of rockets are launched at northern Israel with no casualties reported.

MSNBC decides to begin its newscast from Israel with a graphic that reads "breaking news: more than 250 killed in 7 days of fighting in Israel and Lebanon". There is no indication of which side is doing the lion's share of the killing, perpetuating a false sense of balance on the battlefield.

Over a live video feed, MSNBC anchorwoman Chris Jansen asks a reporter in North Israel about how average citizens there are coping with the short time lag between rocket attacks and air-raid sirens. The reporter describes a "quite frightening" situation for locals.

Jansen then speaks to a reporter in Lebanon over the phone, with a focus on the latest developments in the evacuation of foreign nationals. We are never told that average Lebanese citizens across the border have absolutely no warning of attacks and little access to well-fortified bomb shelters.

Before a commercial break there is footage of destruction across Lebanon, with swaths of the capital reduced to rubble. However, the graphics indicate that these are images of "Mideast Crisis" and not the result of round-the-clock Israeli air strikes.

Unlike the static clip of masked gunmen stomping on Israeli flags - images repeatedly attributed to Hezbollah and the Lebanese side - we see no equivalent attribution of burning cities and residences to Israel and its people.

The media myths continue unabated on Wednesday when an NBC reporter stationed on Cyprus tells a studio anchor that the American evacuation from Beirut will begin shortly and that the US embassy is providing a "safe haven" or "bomb shelters" for the thousands of US citizens as they wait.

But in truth, hundreds of Americans amass on an open-air seafront promenade near the embassy compound, where hundreds more crowd the streets and parking areas.

One US citizen, who gave her name only as Liliane, decided to return to her apartment after waiting out in the heat for several hours, disgusted she said by the disorganisation and curt attitude of US military personnel.

She described the plight of a woman with a newborn child sitting on the pavement with other children, pleading for help.

"They just didn't care," she said, drawing a contrast with television pictures of a smiling US ambassador escorting evacuees on to helicopters and while others were ferried away on chartered ships.

"They didn’t show what was happening outside the boats. On TV it looks like the situation is under control."
 

Aleex

Banned [Multiple Accounts]
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rhizome17 said:
And posting on SG about your favorite football team will have absolutely no effect on how well they play each week, so you can do the decent thing and take your own advice and go away.

Football and war are too different things, mate. Football exist thanks to the fans, war exists thanks to the haters and ignorants.
 

Krypton X

Senior Squad
AlkalineOrion said:
This "war" will only stop when religious zealots (mainly muslim terrorists) are all dead.
Right right.. i wonder where i heard that before. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have worked a treat haven't they?

Don't you find it ironic that the 'war on terror' has not only failed to eradicate terrorism, but is spawning new wars (and more terrorists) in different places as well.


AlkalineOrion said:
That being said, I've seen more of Lebanon than Israel... why? Because that's where the good "tv" is.
Yes, "good tv". Since I would much rather be watching endless footage of people getting killed and pulled out of rubble, than have to sit and watch half naked chicks being paraded on MTV and shows like the OC :rolleyes:


AlkalineOrion said:
I've seen that Israel is not directly targeting Christian areas
Israeli Forces Target Lebanese Christian Heartland
Lebanese Political Journal: Israel Bombing Christians and Sunnis
Israel Attacks its Christian “Friends” in Lebanon


AlkalineOrion said:
And since Hezbollah has entrenched itself in the culture and life of the people in that area, what do you expect? You can't put your weapons in residential areas and not expect them to get bombed!!!
oh ok i didn't know that. Since last time i checked all Hezbollah fighters were natives of lebanon. And those civilian areas that you talk about happen to be where most of them live. Big coincidence don't you think.


AlkalineOrion said:
Some links:

Turns out 40 people didn't die... but I bet most muslims won't see that article/news piece on Al-Jazeera.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast...main/index.html

Reuters photographer doctoring photos? No... "Journalists" would never do such a thing in regards to the publicity war against the US or Israel... Remember, "US" and "Israel" = BAD... "Terrorists who kill civilians" = Victims

http://today.reuters.com/news/artic...&src=rss&rpc=22
This must be irrevocable proof that there are no civilians dying in Lebanon, and that its all a bunch of lies disseminated by the Hizbollah 'propaganda machine' to make Israel look bad. As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure that YOU will only be too happy to volunteer and go to Lebanon for us, and take pictures and other evidence to reveal to the entire world that all the stories of death and destruction are made up BS by the terrorists, and that the Americans and other western countries are evacuating their citizens for nothing, and all the lebanese are having fiestas to celebrate the Israeli attacks and are waving Israel flags because they hate Hezbollah so much.


Or maybe not... but hey at least SOME Islamic fanatics seem to be on your side.

Saudi wahabi fundamentalist supports Israel.


A top Saudi Sunni cleric, whose ideas inspired Osama bin Laden, issued a religious edict Saturday disavowing the Shi'ite guerrilla group Hizbullah, evidence that a rift remained among Muslims over the fighting in Lebanon.

Hizbullah, which translates as "the party of God," is actually "the party of the devil," said Sheik Safar al-Hawali, whose radical views made the al-Qaida leader one of his followers in the past.

"Don't pray for Hizbullah," he said in the fatwa posted on his Web site.

The edict, which reflects the historical stand of strict Wahhabi doctrine viewing Shi'ite Muslims as heretics, follows a similar fatwa from another popular Saudi cleric Sheik Abdullah bin Jibreen two weeks into the conflict with Israel.

"It is not acceptable to support this rejectionist party (Hizbullah), and one should not fall under its command, or pray for its victory," bin Jibreen said at the time. That fatwa set off a maelstrom across the Arab world, with other leaders and people at the grass roots level imploring Muslims to put aside differences to support the fight against Israel.
 

Krypton X

Senior Squad
Joe said:
Who cares. We're all doomed to non-existance in the end anyway.

Who ******* cares.

God? No, god doesn't exist so go destroy your mothafuggin temples and get this over with or rebuild it or whatever. Then you'll realize that "Holy ****, it's a ******* fraud!"

Or not. You'll keep on believing.

Anyway, hail Satan or hail to the immediate death of nationalism and hail to decades/centuries of murder for a ******* piece of dirt (that's what it's always about anyway).

****ers.
Heck yes we should care.

Your ******* government hasn't stopped bombing Afghanistan and spraying herbicides over coco fields in Colombia and constantly f*cking up coke and heroin prices for the rest of us.

Because of a couple of soldiers Israeli lunatics are bombing a whole country back to the stone age instead of sitting down and using diplomacy like a REAL civilised nation would. Now i have to miss some of my favourite shows on tv because of news coverage 24/7. Worse still, i can't afford to go out anywhere because a tank of petrol is now worth more than my car. oh did i say thank you for bombing Iraq?

So give us a f***ing break already. if you were trully some kind of hippie like you make it sound then you'd be damn pissed too.

Oh well at least Shakira knows what she's talking about.

Shakira speaks out against conflict


 
Anyone see the Pat Robertson interview last night? Holy sh!t (no pun intended) that guy is as big a fanatic as Osama Bin Laden and all the others. He was asked what his thoughts were regarding the high numbers of civilian deaths in Lebanon, and he actually compared them to all the soldiers that died in WW2. Like how sometimes we have to take heavy loses to defeat evil... WTF? I was thinking yeah, but those are their loses!

...so in other words, he sees it necessary to kill as many Lebanese civilians as needed to get rid of Hizbollah. And this is a man who planned to run for President of the United States. :|
 

Pontiakos

Starting XI
CapaJr said:
.... i only support what i think is justice. i am a civilized human being just like you, and i am against violence just like you. but unlike you, i know the real reason of violence.

ok.....capa....if this was a debate about Greece/Turkey you would be singing a different tune.....I am pretty sure that you are so pissed about what is going on because in your mind jews are killing muslims. right?


I agree with you.


I am also pissed that jews are killing muslims........and everybody else who lives in Lebanon.

Would you be just as upset if Lebanon were full of Greeks, be honest for once? .....I don't think so.


Would I be upset if Lebanon were full of Turks........honestly .......YES.....because this is just another imperialistic approach at solving problems.



The main difference between Knight, other people in here and yourself.
 
Pontiakos said:
ok.....capa....if this was a debate about Greece/Turkey you would be singing a different tune.....I am pretty sure that you are so pissed about what is going on because in your mind jews are killing muslims. right?


I agree with you.


I am also pissed that jews are killing muslims........and everybody else who lives in Lebanon.

Would you be just as upset if Lebanon were full of Greeks, be honest for once? .....I don't think so.


Would I be upset if Lebanon were full of Turks........honestly .......YES.....because this is just another imperialistic approach at solving problems.



The main difference between Knight, other people in here and yourself.

Good post.. That's the root of the problem that's keeping this and other conflicts from ever being resolved. While people's opinions are still shaped and/or distorted by ideology or racial predjudices, there's never going to be a real solution.
 

CapaJr

I Will Learn To Respect My Fellow Man, Even If It
Red Card
Pontiakos said:
Would you be just as upset if Lebanon were full of Greeks, be honest for once? .....I don't think so.


Would I be upset if Lebanon were full of Turks........honestly .......YES.....because this is just another imperialistic approach at solving problems.

if lebanon was full of innocent greek mothers and children , i would do everything in my power to stop such a violence. its not like i hate your people so much , i dislike other stuff about your people but when we talk about innocent civilians, i dont care what religion or country they are from, they shouldnt be victimized !!!
and in lebanon, yes i am mostly upset because i am muslim too, but that doesnt change the fact that a country is being destroyed because of terrorists they have no power getting rid of (hezbollah is about 2 times stronger than the lebanese army) i just cant believe all those pictures we saw in the news, the dead babies , etc.. are just considered to be 'war casuality' do you need to be muslim to be terrorist? when you kill innocent people with modern weapons, thats considered to be a freedom fighting??? I JUST CANT STAND THAT!!!
 

King

My ass smells like your mom
WHY THE F**K YOU GUYS HAVE TO INVOLVE TURKEY AND GREECE IN EVERY F**KIN THREAD???!!!!!!!













is that big enough?!!!
 

CapaJr

I Will Learn To Respect My Fellow Man, Even If It
Red Card
hey king relax man , its not like we ve been talking about that for the last 20 pages, pontiakos gave an example about our situation with them and i replied to him thats all.
 

AlkalineOrion

Club Supporter
::shinji:: said:
Anyone see the Pat Robertson interview last night? Holy sh!t (no pun intended) that guy is as big a fanatic as Osama Bin Laden and all the others. He was asked what his thoughts were regarding the high numbers of civilian deaths in Lebanon, and he actually compared them to all the soldiers that died in WW2. Like how sometimes we have to take heavy loses to defeat evil... WTF? I was thinking yeah, but those are their loses!

...so in other words, he sees it necessary to kill as many Lebanese civilians as needed to get rid of Hizbollah. And this is a man who planned to run for President of the United States. :|


While Pat Robertson is a total fool and should be dismissed just as any other religious nutcase, he does make a good point. A war is a war... people die, and in the past, before the media started trying to manipulate things, lots of people died. Germany and Japan were defeated because we took the war to everyone. We bombed cities until the ENTIRE country had to capitulate and give up. That isn't the case anymore... people are relatively safe in war zones as compared to the past. That may sound harsh but it's completely true.

In order to win wars you must destroy as much as possible until the enemy gives in. That goes for whatever side you support.
 
AlkalineOrion said:
While Pat Robertson is a total fool and should be dismissed just as any other religious nutcase, he does make a good point. A war is a war... people die, and in the past, before the media started trying to manipulate things, lots of people died. Germany and Japan were defeated because we took the war to everyone. We bombed cities until the ENTIRE country had to capitulate and give up. That isn't the case anymore... people are relatively safe in war zones as compared to the past. That may sound harsh but it's completely true.

In order to win wars you must destroy as much as possible until the enemy gives in. That goes for whatever side you support.

that's probably the stupidest thing you've posted yet..
 

The_Knight

Senior Squad
Was that the video everyone was talking about a coupla days ago? (DSL was down so I didn't see it)

http://spikedhumor.com/articles/46227/George_Galloway_PWNING_sky_news.html

This guy, he really said it.


AlkalineOrion said:
While Pat Robertson is a total fool and should be dismissed just as any other religious nutcase, he does make a good point. A war is a war... people die, and in the past, before the media started trying to manipulate things, lots of people died. Germany and Japan were defeated because we took the war to everyone. We bombed cities until the ENTIRE country had to capitulate and give up. That isn't the case anymore... people are relatively safe in war zones as compared to the past. That may sound harsh but it's completely true.

In order to win wars you must destroy as much as possible until the enemy gives in. That goes for whatever side you support.
::shinji:: may have just said it, but... well I kinda wanted to say it too, so, that's probably the stupidest thing you've posted yet.
 

Krypton X

Senior Squad
WTF... how can anyone agree with a person who says they can "heal" you if you come on their tv show. Pat Robertson is even more of a retard than that crazy Iranian mofo Ahmadinejad. Here's but a brief sample of his shared wisdom from over the years:



- "Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again.
It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history."



- "The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."


- "I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period."


- Introducing journalist Joel Mowbray on his show, Robertson said that a reader of his book could conclude that the State Department needed a nuclear explosion.

"I read your book," Robertson said. "When you get through, you say, 'If I could just get a nuclear device inside Foggy Bottom, I think that's the answer,' and you say, 'We've got to blow that thing up.' I mean, is it as bad as you say?" Robertson said.

"It is," Mowbray said, although his book never suggests that the State Department should be blown up with a nuclear device.

Foggy Bottom is the nickname for the State Department's Washington headquarters.

"Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up like Newt Gingrich wants to do," Roberstson said.


- (On the Sept. 11 attacks)

Jerry Falwell: "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say: "You helped this happen."

Pat Robertson: "Well, I totally concur."


- (Commenting on the Gay Pride events at Disneyworld)

"I would warn Orlando that you're right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don't think I'd be waving those flags in God's face if I were you, This is not a message of hate -- this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It'll bring about terrorist bombs; it'll bring earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor."


- (After the city of Dover, Pennsylvania voted to boot their school board, which instituted an intelligent design policy that led to a federal trial)

"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected him from your city. And don't wonder why he hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for his help because he might not be there."


- (Ramarking on the constitution which calls for a separation of church and state)

"That was never in the Constitution, however much the liberals laugh at me for saying it, they know good and well it was never in the Constitution! Such language only appeared in the constitution of the Communist Soviet Union."


- (After Israel pulled out of Gaza)

"God considers this land to be his. You read the Bible and he says 'This is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, 'No, this is mine.' ... He was dividing God's land. And I would say, 'Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the E.U., the United Nations, or the United States of America.' God says, 'This land belongs to me. You better leave it alone.'"


- (About assassinating Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez)

"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."

...."Wait a minute, I didn't say 'assassination.' I said our special forces should 'take him out,' and 'take him out' can be a number of things, including kidnapping."

..........."Is it right to call for assassination? No, and I apologize for that statement. I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him."


:jambo:
 


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