Middle East war

[AlkalineOrion]

How the media distorts...

In regards to the middle east war... Never believe anything you read or see in the media as they are all a bunch of bas**rds who have a social agenda. This "war" will only stop when religious zealots (mainly muslim terrorists) are all dead.

I don't care if this upsets anyone because if you look around the world at existing conflicts, or conflicts in the recent past, they all involve muslims and violence. It's time for the world to wake up and stop making excuses for these people.

Some links:

Turns out 40 people didn't die... but I bet most muslims won't see that article/news piece on Al-Jazeera.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/07/mideast.main/index.html

Reuters photographer doctoring photos? No... "Journalists" would never do such a thing in regards to the publicity war against the US or Israel... Remember, "US" and "Israel" = BAD... "Terrorists who kill civilians" = Victims

http://today.reuters.com/news/artic...RUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-REUTERS.xml&src=rss&rpc=22

 

[Pontiakos]

In regards to the middle east war... Never believe anything you read or see in the media as they are all a bunch of bas**rds who have a social agenda. This "war" will only stop when religious zealots (mainly muslim terrorists) are all dead.

I don't care if this upsets anyone because if you look around the world at existing conflicts, or conflicts in the recent past, they all involve muslims and violence. It's time for the world to wake up and stop making excuses for these people.

Some links:

Turns out 40 people didn't die... but I bet most muslims won't see that article/news piece on Al-Jazeera.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/07/mideast.main/index.html

Reuters photographer doctoring photos? No... "Journalists" would never do such a thing in regards to the publicity war against the US or Israel... Remember, "US" and "Israel" = BAD... "Terrorists who kill civilians" = Victims

http://today.reuters.com/news/artic...RUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-REUTERS.xml&src=rss&rpc=22

FROM the article you posted

Siniora had earlier told Arab foreign ministers in Beirut that the attack "was a horrific massacre ... in which more than 40 martyrs were victims of deliberate bombing."

Siniora said he had based the initial tally on unspecified information that he had received. He offered no other explanation for the error.

Hmmmmm unspecified information........were have I heard that term before....I wait I remember that is what the Bush administration used to justify the invasion of Iraq....

btw besides being the most racist comment I've read thus far it is also one with the least value of life.....1 person died from the bombings of a civilian building. Hey its just one person....that doesn't count.

Also some photos were doctored by a photographer to look feircer than they are......so.....I guess bombs raining on civilians isn't as bad as it looks in the photos? ok......so were are going with that train of thought?

The media has been b*llsh*tting us on both sides since 9/11 what's new?

What matters is that civilians are being displaced/killed by Israel bombing Lebanon and by Hezbolah bombing Israel. Heeeellllooooooo!

 

[Jambo Den]

Jambo, thank you for taking the time and expanding on George Galloway. I really appreciate it. I see you point now.

No problem. I'll now ignore the fact Alexei Mikhailichenko turned us down this summer now!

 

[AlkalineOrion]

FROM the article you posted

Siniora had earlier told Arab foreign ministers in Beirut that the attack "was a horrific massacre ... in which more than 40 martyrs were victims of deliberate bombing."

Siniora said he had based the initial tally on unspecified information that he had received. He offered no other explanation for the error.

Hmmmmm unspecified information........were have I heard that term before....I wait I remember that is what the Bush administration used to justify the invasion of Iraq....

btw besides being the most racist comment I've read thus far it is also one with the least value of life.....1 person died from the bombings of a civilian building. Hey its just one person....that doesn't count.

Also some photos were doctored by a photographer to look feircer than they are......so.....I guess bombs raining on civilians isn't as bad as it looks in the photos? ok......so were are going with that train of thought?

The media has been b*llsh*tting us on both sides since 9/11 what's new?

What matters is that civilians are being displaced/killed by Israel bombing Lebanon and by Hezbolah bombing Israel. Heeeellllooooooo!

What you don't realize is that "1" civilian is not 40. Hezbollah has used the media to try and sway public opinion in their direction. How often do you hear about Israeli casulties? Not often... It's always about the ruthless Israeli bombings, yet nothing is said about the DELIBERATE rocketing of civilians and bombing of civilians in Israel. They aren't targeting military targets, just randomly firing. But never forget that Hezbollah doesn't care if civilians die, it's part of their strategy. The more innocent people die on their side (which is why they put bombs and rockets in residential neighborhoods) the better for them.

And doctored photos are doctored photos. It's sad you even defend it, and it's sad people feel bad for Lebanon. They let these guys in, so they can suffer the consequences.

 

[Pontiakos]

What you don't realize is that "1" civilian is not 40. Hezbollah has used the media to try and sway public opinion in their direction.

You're right one person is worthless.

How often do you hear about Israeli casulties? Not often...

Actually quite often .....here you go...

http://i.today.reuters.com/Pictures/galleries/Stories/632176283649218750/Previews/log07080608.jpg


http://today.reuters.com/news/artic...=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage1

(The Israeli army said three soldiers were killed in battles with guerrillas in southern Lebanon........

Ninety-seven Israelis have also been killed. ............

Hizbollah guerrillas fired more rockets into northern Israel, wounding one person, a day after rockets killed 15 Israelis in the deadliest day of the war for the Jewish state.)

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/07/mideast.main/index.html

(Monday marks the 27th day of fighting between Israel and Hezbollah. So far the conflict has resulted in 97 Israeli deaths, including 35 civilians, the IDF said; in Lebanon, security forces put the death toll at 716, most of them civilians.)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207259,00.html


(The Israeli army said one soldier was killed and four others were slightly wounded in fighting in the town of Bint Jbail.....A new barrage of 83 rockets hit northern Israel, slightly wounding five Israelis, according to rescue services....Hezbollah fired its deadliest rocket barrage Sunday on Israel, killing 12 Israeli reservists and three civilians. That brought the Israeli death toll to 94, including 46 soldiers, the 12 reservists and 36 civilians)

 

[rhizome17]

Not often... It's always about the ruthless Israeli bombings, yet nothing is said about the DELIBERATE rocketing of civilians and bombing of civilians in Israel.

Yu obviously aren't following very closely. Both CNN and the BBC world service regularly interrupt their programming to cross to Haifa or wherever in Israel a rocket has just hit, reporting immediately on the projected casualty levels. THe BBC especially have a heavy presence in Israel and I have seen more of Benjamin Netanyahu in the last three weeks than I have in the previous three years. He is doing a nice PR job of trying to compare Haifa to the experience of Londoners during the Blitz of World War Two. The point being, spin comes from both sides.

and it's sad people feel bad for Lebanon. They let these guys in, so they can suffer the consequences.

Nice try making this appear to be a 'muslims versus the rest' conflict, particulalry with your first post, but there is an important fact missing. Namely, a large number of civilians dying in Lebanon are children, Sri Lankan migrant labourers (to name but one of the ethnic groups unable to leave) and Christian communities. None of which, the last time I checked (and using common sense logic would do the job just as well) have much say in whether Hezbollah operate or not.

Nevermind the fact that your statement 'they let them in' shows just how ignorant you are of the origins of Hezbollah in the first place. Area 51 is alive and well producing clones like you.

 

[::shinji::]

yeah, his last statement about "these guys" is what convinced me not to waste my time replying..

 

[rhizome17]

Lets hope he's a two post wonder.

 

[The_Knight]

I don't care if this upsets anyone because if you look around the world at existing conflicts, or conflicts in the recent past, they all involve muslims and violence. It's time for the world to wake up and stop making excuses for these people.

Yes shame on Hezbollah for attacking purely military targets for the past 6 years before the Israeli "flattening of the country".

And hail the media for not showing these military targets.
And hail Israel for killing more than 600 civilians (UN numbers - or 900 by Lebanese official numbers) in only 3 weeks.
And hail Israel for massacring 60 civilians in Qana, including 34 children, from a refugee camp where a single rocket hasn't been launched all day.

Whatever preformed thoughts u have over the situation, feel free to come here and throw them up anytime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOu-NT0W2eg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBb2f1WEtiQ

 

[Pontiakos]

http://today.reuters.com/news/artic...=080806_1341_TOPSTORY_israeli_strike_kills_14

 

[The_Knight]

"The bombs fell as mourners were burying 15 people killed by a raid there the previous day."

Now who's gonna bury the ones who were burying the ones who were killed the previous day?

Off trial murder. As always.

 

[AlkalineOrion]

Yu obviously aren't following very closely. Both CNN and the BBC world service regularly interrupt their programming to cross to Haifa or wherever in Israel a rocket has just hit, reporting immediately on the projected casualty levels. THe BBC especially have a heavy presence in Israel and I have seen more of Benjamin Netanyahu in the last three weeks than I have in the previous three years. He is doing a nice PR job of trying to compare Haifa to the experience of Londoners during the Blitz of World War Two. The point being, spin comes from both sides.



Nice try making this appear to be a 'muslims versus the rest' conflict, particulalry with your first post, but there is an important fact missing. Namely, a large number of civilians dying in Lebanon are children, Sri Lankan migrant labourers (to name but one of the ethnic groups unable to leave) and Christian communities. None of which, the last time I checked (and using common sense logic would do the job just as well) have much say in whether Hezbollah operate or not.

Nevermind the fact that your statement 'they let them in' shows just how ignorant you are of the origins of Hezbollah in the first place. Area 51 is alive and well producing clones like you.

First off, CNN and BBC are based in Israel, not Lebanon. This would make it rather easy for either company to get to a bombing site within Israel rather quickly. They get there quick because the pictures make for good TV. That being said, I've seen more of Lebanon than Israel... why? Because that's where the good "tv" is. Hezbollah has been masterful in using the media to stage scenes of destruction, agony and pain. It's all part of the plan, and it is working perfectly. After all, everyone in the world besides the US hates Israel anyway, so opinion can be turned to thier side quite easily.

I agree with you on spin and of course Israel would be guilty of it as well. Just remember who started this mess... if you say Israel, then there is no more point in debate.

As far as the "Christian" communites and non lebanese dying. This is going to happen in a war. War is hell, however, I've seen that Israel is not directly targeting Christian areas. You have to remember that Lebanon has let Hezbollah do whatever they want, and Hezbollah has been voted into positions of power. It's been a 20 year campaign to get to this point and nobody should be surprised this is happening.

 

[Pontiakos]

Actually I'm not suprised at all...once I learned how Israel became a state I haven't been shocked or suprised by anything that has transpired since.

 

[AlkalineOrion]

Yes shame on Hezbollah for attacking purely military targets for the past 6 years before the Israeli "flattening of the country".

And hail the media for not showing these military targets.
And hail Israel for killing more than 600 civilians (UN numbers - or 900 by Lebanese official numbers) in only 3 weeks.
And hail Israel for massacring 60 civilians in Qana, including 34 children, from a refugee camp where a single rocket hasn't been launched all day.

Whatever preformed thoughts u have over the situation, feel free to come here and throw them up anytime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOu-NT0W2eg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBb2f1WEtiQ

Why would Hezbollah be attacking ANY targets in the past six years? Israel pulled out, after being basically defeated by Hezbollah I might add, leaving Hezbollah alone. And since Hezbollah has entrenched itself in the culture and life of the people in that area, what do you expect? You can't put your weapons in residential areas and not expect them to get bombed!!! Sadly, this is a tactic of many Muslim terrorist groups.

And sadly again, you are misinformed, like I pointed out earlier, about the death toll of Qana. You use whatever propoganda sites or news outlets you read and see to base your opinions on the matter...

Human Rights watch says 28 people died, with 13 still missing... bet you won't see any corrections in the arab media.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/02/qana.inquiries/index.html

 

[rhizome17]

First off, CNN and BBC are based in Israel, not Lebanon.

First off... WRONG again.

The BBC reopened its Beirut office in 2006. CNN reopened theirs in 1997. If you can't even get basic facts right, particularly the ones you write first, then it doesn't do much for the credibility of the rest of your posturings.

 

[The_Knight]

I've seen more of Lebanon than Israel... why? Because that's where the good "tv" is.

That's got to be the reason. Good TV. Not that one of the countries has been flattened down, and the other, uh, not. I'm all for covering Israeli pop concerts when a Lebanese village is being incinerated. It's only fair.

It's all part of the plan

Oh-kay.

it is working perfectly.

Certainly. 1000 Lebanese civilians killed, 40% children, not counting the ones under the ruins. Mission Accomplished. You can certainly twist any news for the sake of having a good night's sleep, can't u.

 

[rhizome17]

Why would Hezbollah be attacking ANY targets in the past six years?

Shebaa Farms.

 

[The_Knight]

Shebaa Farms.
Over 130,000 Unnegotiable Israeli land mines, turning the entire region into a deadly useless piece of land.
Hundreds of Lebanese prisoners abducted with no trial from Lebanon.
Israeli refusal of signing an agreement regarding these points.

And u call taking 2 soldiers into captivity... "starting it"? That's quite an understatement. Considering that "it" here, means flattening a country down.

 

[AlkalineOrion]

First off... WRONG again.

The BBC reopened its Beirut office in 2006. CNN reopened theirs in 1997. If you can't even get basic facts right, particularly the ones you write first, then it doesn't do much for the credibility of the rest of your posturings.

So you are telling me that CNN and BBC rush from Lebanon,, through a war zone, to get to Israel to cover the missles hitting there? Come on... they have people in Israel already there! That's all I was saying and I guess you missed the point completely.

 

[AlkalineOrion]

That's got to be the reason. Good TV. Not that one of the countries has been flattened down, and the other, uh, not. I'm all for covering Israeli pop concerts when a Lebanese village is being incinerated. It's only fair.

Oh-kay.

Certainly. 1000 Lebanese civilians killed, 40% children, not counting the ones under the ruins. Mission Accomplished. You can certainly twist any news for the sake of having a good night's sleep, can't u.

I don't lose any sleep over the topic, whether Israelis die or Lebanese die. War is a part of life, always has been. Until the arab world can come into the modern day world and not cling onto violent, sexist and ignorant religous ideals, there will continue to be wars around the world. You could say the same for the other two major religions as well... Religious fanatics = death and war.

Don't know about your Israeli pop concerts quote though...