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That's probably true, Nash had 4 years at Santa Clara and then was on the bench for awhile in the NBA.
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ShiftyPowers;3358877 said:I know it's a different sport, but Allen Iverson had that kind of quickness, acceleration, and shiftiness at 6'1''.
Bobby;3359426 said:
Different sport, obviously. But if he grew up doing it, he'd be as talented.
Mandieta6;3359521 said:Messi should try and break the 1000 goal barrier. By my calculation, if he continues to score at least 80 goals a season, he could do it in just under 9 years. He wold be just 34, so if e buckles down he could do it. At that rate, he would break Pele's record of 1281 goals in just 12 and a half years. That might be beyond him, though.
ShiftyPowers;3359620 said:I think coordination is translatable to any number of sports. Obviously AI couldn't drop a basketball and start controlling a soccer ball like Messi, but if he grew up playing soccer as much as he played Basketball and logged those 10,000+ hours he would have been just as technically sound and quick because he had that inherent skill. And while 6'1'' isn't that tall for basketball, it is for soccer.
I've heard that until about 18-21 world class athletes can switch sports and still excel.
yoyo913;3359685 said:Getting 1000 would make him a clearer GoaT. But I doubt he can do it. However he seems to be very professional and clever with finding ways to excel so who knows... Just hope he doesn't start getting injured a lot later in his career.
Even if he gets 500+, that would be a very impressive achievement. The top scorers who were mainly Spanish league players only got so many career goals: Raul 446, Hugo Sanchez 469, Di Stefano 513 (different era).
Alex;3359692 said:Especially as he has spent his entire career in Europe's professional leagues, not weaker leagues. He also didn't debut nearly as young as he would have if he stayed in Argentina (nor did he play against particularly weak opposition as a youngster).
I think when he retires, he will almost definitely join the Maradona/Pele argument, and one you get to that level it'll only ever be an argument.
Alex;3359688 said:Again, I'm sure these guys are fast, but they wouldn't be as fast with their feet as Messi. I'm not talking about running, I'm talking about the tiny movements it takes to fool a defender and control the ball. As someone else mentioned, the fastest man in the world isn't even that fast off the mark. It's the same sort of deal here.
ShiftyPowers;3360343 said:I'm quite aware of this. That's why I said Allen Iverson and not Carl Lewis. NBA Point Guards require this kind of athleticism. Dwyane Wade's best attribute is his "first step". AI was the king of quickness and body shifting, not just speed. It's also why I'm not discussing american football players, because I don't think that game requires much technique and coordination. But if you've ever played basketball, you do notice how much being a footballer helps you; the games are very similar.
yoyo913;3360349 said:So Messi at 88 now... two matches left for '12. Messi - Falcao showdown this weekend.